Being an atheist.

Hi Tornado

An atheist I know gets quite upset at the suggestion that atheists have 'no spirituality' ...

Do you, as an atheist, see yourself to be a spiritual person?
And how do you define spirituality (in the absence of 'the divine', which most believers would associate spirituality with)?

Since there is no clear definition of atheism (other than not believing there is enough evidence to believe in God), I guess these are questions to you personally, rather than about atheists per se.

Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado

Here is the lowdown on being an atheist (my opinion).

There is nothing universally common between us atheists except for this bit: a lack of belief in a god. We may share some opinions but it doesn't bind us. For example, if we look at abortion: I may be pro-life while another atheist may be pro-choice.

Imagine someone very close to you passes away, you realize, there is no one really turn to so you can only end up sulking, knowing you will never see them again. It can be very lonely being an atheist. There is virtually no hope and knowing that know one is really behind you to get through the bad times.

Here's a bummer:No afterlife. Imagine this, because we think there is no god, that means that we will never see the people we truly love, our family and friends. When we die, that's it. Again, it's very sad and depressing.

There is no special meaning to life except to have kids. We are on a lonely planet along with the seven planets in our solar system that revolve around our sun, just one star among the 200+ billion stars in just our galaxy, just one galaxy amongst hundreds of billions of galaxies in our visible universe.

How about all the creation everywhere, the lush trees, the vast oceans, beautiful skies, etc. As irrational as it sounds, atheists (like myself) would say that none of this actually needed creator.

So if anyone is unsure whether to convert or not to atheism, consider that things become lonelier.

If you have any questions about being an atheist, just ask.

just wann give u a clear questions:

Who create the world..?

Why do we born to the world?


IF there no creator...there is no sign of life....

believe the in the Greatness of Allah...

Allah can Create a man without a father like Adam and Jesus...

if no God Watching us day and Night...world will turn upside down...

who lead the sun and moon....?
why do earth orbit and move around?

is all Allah taking care of it........

Believe in the sign...of Allah

Submit yourself to Allah....
Submit in Arabic mean..islam!...

i shall sum up your post in two words:


atheism sucks

format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado

Here is the lowdown on being an atheist (my opinion).

There is nothing universally common between us atheists except for this bit: a lack of belief in a god. We may share some opinions but it doesn't bind us. For example, if we look at abortion: I may be pro-life while another atheist may be pro-choice.

Imagine someone very close to you passes away, you realize, there is no one really turn to so you can only end up sulking, knowing you will never see them again. It can be very lonely being an atheist. There is virtually no hope and knowing that know one is really behind you to get through the bad times.

Here's a bummer:No afterlife. Imagine this, because we think there is no god, that means that we will never see the people we truly love, our family and friends. When we die, that's it. Again, it's very sad and depressing.

There is no special meaning to life except to have kids. We are on a lonely planet along with the seven planets in our solar system that revolve around our sun, just one star among the 200+ billion stars in just our galaxy, just one galaxy amongst hundreds of billions of galaxies in our visible universe.

How about all the creation everywhere, the lush trees, the vast oceans, beautiful skies, etc. As irrational as it sounds, atheists (like myself) would say that none of this actually needed creator.

So if anyone is unsure whether to convert or not to atheism, consider that things become lonelier.

If you have any questions about being an atheist, just ask.

Our thoughts exist merely because they are created and generated by our minds. I would be lying if I said your thoughts and ideas actually don’t need a creator, because you are the creator of your ideas and thoughts, and without you they won’t exist. You generate your own ideas and thoughts by using your mind. But you haven’t created your own mind, but you exploit your mind in order to create ideas which benefit you.

Tell me can you compare your meager thoughts and ideas which can’t even be seen, ideas and thought which you can not even create or generate on your own had God not given you a brain with the Wisdom that Created and Perfected the Universe?

God has created this Universe and all that is encompassed in it as you create your own ideas in your own mind.

And your mind is only yours because God has bestow it upon you. And be not ungrateful by trying to use your mind to deny His Existence.

Salaam

i cannot imagine what it would be like to be an athiest!!!
i mean its far beyond my imagination, life must SUCK for you guys!
i mean no offence to any of the athiest brothers and sisters,
but how can you not believe in GOD???

what would be the purpose of creation?
how can this perfect creation of the one and only Creator be an accident?????
i mean do you guys not look around you, at nature at the planet itself and everything in it and around it and think HOW CAN THIS BE AN ACCIDENT? or a big bang or whatever it is!
i dont really understand the evolution process i know it may sound dumb but if we evolved from apes or whatever they believe we evolved from then why are the apes still apes? why do we give birth of humans by us women bearing them in our womb?
why doesnt the other apes just evolve into humans why has that stopped???

i'm really surprised in a way that athiests still carry on with life, ( yet again that is the mercy of God that He bestows upon them yet they are in denial about His existance) no offence but if i was an athiest (God forbid) i'd committed suicide a very long time ago!!!!!!!

for me knowing that there is a God up there is enough to carry on with life... and this is just acknowledging His existance, im not even talking about His favours and attritbutes and bounties and mercy.

cos the latter makes me wanna smile and live life more just to please Him and see what He has in store for me.

believing in the existance of God and i mean One God there is always light at the end of the tunnel if you strive hard for His sake there is always something better waiting for you, obviously if you dont then your doomed it only makes clear perfect sense.

why promise paradise to a wrongdoer when all the righteous have been striving hard all their lives to seek paradise?

if there is no hereafter then whats the use of this silly world and short life????????
if paradise and hell didnt exist it would only make sense to me if we were imortals.

accidents are never perfect, in fact the word accident is usually referred to disasters.
so how forget the major things like the universe and our own planet earth function so perfectly but lets start with ourselves... how can we as humans as in the way we are created be so perfect???

as an athiest does that not even make you think?

i once knew a born muslim brother that converted into athiesm and when he told me this i was SHOCKED! i asked him why did he do that and he gave me the same argument that i would say i have heard from every athiest i have come across...

he said if there was a God then why would this God torture so many innocent children and keep them in poverty, why is there killing and bloodshed?

and i just thought mannnnnnnnnn... why dont you do me a favour and read the message of God the Qur'an and maybe if Allah swt has mercy on you to open your eyes then you will get the answers to all your questions and you will understand.

im sorry if i've said anything to offend you but tornado i feel for you guys life must really suck!

Who create the world..?

No one, it came about by natural processes.

how is that possible? everything is created perfect. the moon, the sun etc. everything is in place, if u look at the human body only. who gave u ur seight? ur hearing? who can make ur heart stop?

may Allah guide u, ameen. : )

format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado

How about all the creation everywhere, the lush trees, the vast oceans, beautiful skies, etc. As irrational as it sounds, atheists (like myself) would say that none of this actually needed creator.

Creation not needing a creator? You're right - it does sound very irrational.

Like it is said, there are no atheists on a sinking ship.

{They recognize the favor of Allah ; then they deny it. And most of them are disbelievers.}[an-Nahl; 83]

From what I know from atheists, (well most of them), it is rather the disbelief of a particular God, like that of religion. They accept the universe exists and everything else -but they don't ultimatly know the cause of all being but at the same time they don't believe in the God of the religions - hence see no reason to believe in any God without evidence. I guess being atheist makes more sense than agnostic in that, if you arn't going to be accepting any religion, whats the point of being borderline on whether God exists or not especially since, when you go into agnosticism, what do you mean with that "I don't know if God exists" since they cannot define a God. I understand they are hinting that, maybe an intelligent deity exists (somehow), but when your in a nontheist mentality, it seems irrational to be borderline if God exists or not. Maybe deist, but agnosticsm is just bizarre O_O.

I have read about people going from atheism to theism/deism through science though (and Im not talking about someone finding some science miracle in Qur'an/bible). One particular atheist that rings a bell (though, being as forgetful as I am forgot his name), who was a very well known atheist, became a deist due to the complexity of DNA (which I presume he studied all his life). Sometimes, as often as religious people have propaganda, I think atheist have them too. Somehow, they convince people science tends to atheism, which I think is impossible - simply due to the fact that science is limited to this universe alone.

Well, the metaphysical realm (I take it we all accept this exists in that, their was time before the universe, I would deem anything not in this universe metaphysical for the sake of this arguement) is a confusing area to contemplate over, so I will end it here.

sorry tornado lol...
im just a little tired i ment mortals.


tornado: Here's another beef of mine. To come to a decisive conclusion on which religion I thought was right, I'd have to be read every single religious book out there, understand them fully, then see what I'd deem best. This however, would take forever.

i dont quiet agree with you there, it wouldnt take forever, there are not thousands of religions out there and billions of books for each religion.
i think you need to at least read a few to see whether it makes sense to you and answers the questions you may have obviously if they dont then the answer is simple its not for you and if it does then there you go you have found the truth.

you cannot simply be an athiest out cos you lack knowledge about religions and cannot be asked to read about it and look into it therefore opt for the easy option of not believing in God whatsoever. no offence there as we believe each soul carries the burden of its own sins and everyone has their own beliefs you cannot force something down someone's throat, but if ever in life you may have nothing to do or bored then i suggest you invest in a Qur'an and sit down with an open mind and read it. Insha'Allah Allah swt will guide you.

format_quote Originally Posted by al Amaanah

how is that possible? everything is created perfect. the moon, the sun etc. everything is in place, if u look at the human body only. who gave u ur seight? ur hearing? who can make ur heart stop?

may Allah guide u, ameen. : )

Evolution has more than a satisfying answer to that.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Sayyad

Creation not needing a creator? You're right - it does sound very irrational.

Like it is said, there are no atheists on a sinking ship.

{They recognize the favor of Allah ; then they deny it. And most of them are disbelievers.}[an-Nahl; 83]

God not needing a creator, it's really the same thing. It's just not convincing.

format_quote Originally Posted by SixTen

From what I know from atheists, (well most of them), it is rather the disbelief of a particular God, like that of religion. They accept the universe exists and everything else -but they don't ultimatly know the cause of all being but at the same time they don't believe in the God of the religions - hence see no reason to believe in any God without evidence. I guess being atheist makes more sense than agnostic in that, if you arn't going to be accepting any religion, whats the point of being borderline on whether God exists or not especially since, when you go into agnosticism, what do you mean with that "I don't know if God exists" since they cannot define a God. I understand they are hinting that, maybe an intelligent deity exists (somehow), but when your in a nontheist mentality, it seems irrational to be borderline if God exists or not. Maybe deist, but agnosticsm is just bizarre O_O.

Agnostics are lame. They state the obvious. If there was a championship match in a sport of some kind and if I asked them who you think is going to win, it'd be like saying since they haven't played the game, I don't know who's going to win. Yes we have no evidence for or against god, but do you think there is a god? You can be agnostic about everything.

I have read about people going from atheism to theism/deism through science though (and Im not talking about someone finding some science miracle in Qur'an/bible). One particular atheist that rings a bell (though, being as forgetful as I am forgot his name), who was a very well known atheist, became a deist due to the complexity of DNA (which I presume he studied all his life). Sometimes, as often as religious people have propaganda, I think atheist have them too. Somehow, they convince people science tends to atheism, which I think is impossible - simply due to the fact that science is limited to this universe alone.

You are talking about the Christian Francis Collins I presume, maybe not. The reason science turns people into atheism is because it answers questions like how is the world/we so complex. It gives incredibly simple answers and removes magic from it. The only reason I believed in a god was how could I have possible be made without some divine entity. Evolution gave me an answer that doesn't need god ( it can be helped by a god if it exists ) and then I looked at the evidence for gods in specific religions and I guess I haven't found any

Well, the metaphysical realm (I take it we all accept this exists in that, their was time before the universe, I would deem anything not in this universe metaphysical for the sake of this arguement) is a confusing area to contemplate over, so I will end it here.

I don't know much about physics and the answers are probably more wacky than we can dream of. Good post sixten.

format_quote Originally Posted by Tornado

Evolution has more than a satisfying answer to that.



God not needing a creator, it's really the same thing. It's just not convincing.

I don't know much about physics and the answers are probably more wacky than we can dream of.

I googed francis collins and its not him :<.. Then again I heard several people have went into theist/deism due to DNA, so I didn't really give much info to help.

Also, in what way do you find evolution to make you not require a God? I mean, atheists existed even when their was no theory of evolution. What I mean is, it is not, how the stars, or galaxies or humans were formed (they were all, unanswered questions), but why does something rather than nothing exist, in my opinion. I am talking pre-bigbang. The theories of branes colliding and stuff, seem sort of "okay"?