Prophet Noah and The Flood...

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

And besides, the Quran says the ark landed on a mountain, you can't have a local flood covering mountains.

you could if the flood occurred within a basin like area, i.e plains surrounded by mountains on most sides.

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

Ok, let's say he did only take animals he knew and the flood was local.

1. why bother taking animals at all? If the flood was local they could run away, as they have with so many natural disasters.
2. why bother saving animals if they would survive in the non-flooded parts of the world?
3. Let's say he only saved animals endemyc to the flooded area, meaning animals that lived there and nowhere else. If the flood was local, that number would be fairly small, so no point in building a gaint barge. You could argue that the flood was local, but still big, however at some point even a local flood will turn into a global flood.

no explicit reason is given for taking "two from every pair", most likely it was for food, since the flood would have affected the flora and fauna greatly.

why puzzling?

format_quote Originally Posted by Azy

Isn't the resting place of the ark supposed to be [here]...

That is the area people recognise as Mount Judi,

this place is guessed be where the ship settled
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Noah%27s_Storm


but who to be sure?!!
and who ever care if there are remains of such ark...

The search for the ark has been called a "wild goose chase" by some archaeologists....

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

It makes sense it rested on the peak. If the water had never reached the peak, they could have seen it long before the flood ceased and could simply sail there and anchor.
And anyway, Judi doesn't have to be a mountain to amke the whole thing impossible.

Magafloods have happened in the past that have topped peaks. Here is one that was studied in the US, they have probably happened in another places too.

Despite their best efforts at logging, paving and otherwise terraforming the Columbia Gorge into a strip of McMansions, developers still have nothing to compare with the havoc wreaked by nature.

I’m talking about the floods that geologists say roared down from Montana, along the Columbia and scouring the Gorge in ancient times. The waters were said to have topped what’s now Crown Point.

NOVA, the premier public broadcasting science program, has produced a show on the "Mystery of the Megafloods." These floods helped carve out the Columbia Gorge — but this is also a story about how geologic heresy became the accepted standard.

The science is interesting stuff for those of us who make our home here.

Perhaps equally interesting is that not long ago, geologists derided the idea that massive flooding cut channels and cliffs. Geology, after all, was thought to work slowly, over unimaginable time to produce changes measured in eons.

Then, in the early Twentieth Century, along came geologist J. Harlen Bretz. He, in 1919, realized that monumental scouring marks in Northeast Washington were made by flooding and named it the “Spokane Flood.�?

The updated theory is this: That some thousands of years ago, several dozen deluges of “almost inconceivable force and dimensions swept across large parts of the Columbia River drainage.�? (This quote is from the standard text on the flooding, Cataclysms on the Columbia by John Eliot Allen and Marjorie Burns.) The floods raced out of an inland sea in what is now Montana, down the Columbia River and out to the Pacific. Floodwaters filled and gouged out the Gorge, at one point apparently topping Crown Point.

It took nearly 50 years, until the middle 1960s, for Bretz and the evidence to convince the scientific community of the ancient floods. His fellows simply could scarcely believe that a catastrophic Ice Age flood could have cut cliffs and channels from Montana to Portland. One supposes that Bretz, in his 80s, felt a sort of long-awaited vindication when ossified opinions finally turned.

A congratulatory telegram following a field trip for geologists cinched his victory. Its final sentence: “We are all catastrophists now.�?

Today, there's talk of an Ice Age Floods trail; there are floods interest groups; even an Ice Age Floods Institute.

Bretz’s flood work is the kind of research that wins one a Nobel Prize. But science, that great religion to end all religions, has its gatekeepers and its high priests, and they are not pleased with upstarts. Particularly if those upstarts blow away their pet theories.

Science, like democracy, relies on human beings. Objectivity, thoughtfulness or even the barest decency, is never guaranteed. We like to think that, in science, reason holds sway over human passions. But Bretz’s story is all too common. In fact, science creates people who are as passionate, biased and turf-defensive as any ... well, as any faith.

Ask Barry Marshall and Robin Warren, the Australian scientists who won a Nobel Prize this year for proving that ulcers are the result of a mere bacterium, rather than stress and smoking and booze. They won the prize in 2005 — 22 years after making their discovery. What took so long to win the recognition? Breaking through established, and unproved, opinion.

"It was impossible to displace the dogma," Marshall told one interviewer. "Their agenda was to shut me up and get me out of gastroenterology and into general practice in the outback."

The rejection of Marshall’s work echoes in a scientific history fraught with facts we absolutely knew to be true, that turned out false. People once believed dinosaurs were cold-blooded reptiles; now, the popular theory has them birdlike and warm-blooded. The universe was once thought static; now, expanding from a “big bang�? (a creation without a Creator, which scientists are sure, simply sure, is a figment).

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/cit...3793/C426/L426

format_quote Originally Posted by Azy

What puzzles me about this and the preceding arguments is that Mount Judi is a few hundred metres above sea level on the edge of the Tigris valley

Is the mount judi in Turkey is the Quranic one?

none should be certain of...

was the geography in such place in such ancient time exactly the same as nowadays?

who knows....

format_quote Originally Posted by Azy

Does the following verse suggest a global flood?
Literal > And Noah said: "My Lord, do not leave on the earth/Planet Earth from the disbelievers a resident/inhabitant." (71:26)

1-What is a disbeliever according to the Quran?
it is those who get the message and the signs and insist on disbelieve ......
in other words if there were other humans living the time of Noah and didn't get his message and never heard of his message ,they are not disbelievers and out of such prayer ..

2-The word (Alard) could mean Earth or some land or the ground (according to the context)

examples:


[007:074] "And remember how He made you inheritors after the 'Ad people and gave you habitations in the land(Alard): ye build for yourselves palaces and castles in (open) plains, and care out homes in the mountains


the word (alard) is used to mean (the land Ad people once lived) and not the planet Earth....



[007:085] To the Madyan people We sent Shu'aib, one of their own brethren: he said: "O my people! worship God; Ye have no other god but Him. Now hath come unto you a clear (Sign) from your Lord! Give just measure and weight, nor withhold from the people the things that are their due; and do no mischief on the land (Alard) after it has been set in order: that will be best for you, if ye have Faith.

again Shu'aib adviced them not to mischief on their land ( not the whole Earth)

[005:026] God said: "Therefore will the land (Alard)be out of their reach for forty years: In distraction will they wander through the land: But sorrow thou not over these rebellious people.

the word again refers to a part of Sinai..



[007:100] Is it not an indication to those who inherit the land (Alard)after its people (who thus reaped the consequence of evil-doing) that, if We will, We can smite them for their sins and print upon their hearts so that they hear not ?

those who inherit the land after its people and not the planet Earth

[007:127] Said the chiefs of Pharaoh's people: "Wilt thou leave Moses and his people, to spread mischief in the land(Alard), and to abandon thee and thy gods?"


mischief in the land(Egypt) and not the whole planet

[008:026] Call to mind when ye were a small (band), despised through the land(Alard), and afraid that men might despoil and kidnap you; But He provided a safe asylum for you, strengthened you with His aid.

despised through specific land not the whole Earth

etc............................................... ...............


there are other dozens refers to the same issue...... but I think that is ok.....

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

Yeah, but here you're talking about a limited area being flooded for 6 months by hundreds of feets of water.

where 6 months is written in the Quran?

the flood didn't take that long probably to occur, remember it was punishment.

format_quote Originally Posted by Azy

Where in the world could a local flood happen that would make walking to safety a less suitable option than single-handedly building a ship that,

If we don't know the geography then ,hard to know why....

anyway we could argue ,too ,that God wanted such believers to stay the time of the flood in the location in order to witness with their eyes all the details of the punishment ...like that the event will stay in their memories ....