I was just wondering... how exactly does the islamic version of the story of noah and the flood go? Does islam teach that it was a global flood, or just one area of the world that flooded? How exactly does Islam say this all happened? This is just one of those stories that really frustrates me because i've heard so many versions, some of which dont make any sense to me, and some which just dont seem possible... thanks in advance for any responses.
If we don't know the geography then ,hard to know why....
As I said, the geography of the specific area isn't relevant. In the decades it would require to build a ship like that you could walk around the earth a few times.
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anyway we could argue ,too ,that God wanted such believers to stay the time of the flood in the location in order to witness with their eyes all the details of the punishment ...like that the event will stay in their memories ....
You could argue that, and they could have seen it from the mountainside.
When the whole town of Sodom was punished, Prophet Lut was told to simply walk away from the town before it was destroyed.
You could argue that, and they could have seen it from the mountainside..
which mountainside?
you see... we have a lack of the picture ...all what we do is guessing...
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When the whole town of Sodom was punished, Prophet Lut was told to simply walk away from the town before it was destroyed.
and prophet Noah was told to stay protected by the ship in the area while watching the punishment ...
believe me when I tell you...I thought about all that before ...and balanced both the idea of global flood and the idea of local flood......
The basic weakness in the idea of global flood I mentioned before ,the Quran talks about the people of Noah the way exactly it talks about other groups who lived in limited areas .....common sense will not only tells us they have to be living in a limited location but also even if they were the only humans living then ,the flood has,as a way of punishment, to be local.....
If this question to be answered in a satisfactory way ,I would accept that the Quran teaches a global flood
All what the verse says that the ark rested upon Al-Judi .....
[011:044] And it was said, `O earth, swallow thy water, and O sky, cease raining.' And the water was made to subside and the matter was decided. And the Ark came to rest on Al-Judi.
What is that Judi? a mouantain or hills
how big? how hight? where the ark exactly rested,is it on the peak or another lower part of such Judi?
any answers to such questions would be mere conjecture...
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Here's another indication that water rose as high as a mountain:
The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of God, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood. 11:43 YA
Here's another indication that water rose as high as a mountain:
The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of God, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood. 11:43 YA
How high the son reached while climbing the mountain ,when the waves came between him and his father?
How high the son reached while climbing the mountain ,when the waves came between him and his father?
Ha!
Though Noah's reply to his son's idea is "this day nothing can save" which probably means ain't no mountain high enough, because he said it prior to his son being drowned.
Did Noah think that really the flood will cover the peak of the mountains?
I don't think so.....
all that he said:
My son ,even if you resort to a mountain , the command of God is to drown all those not to join the ship....
logically they weren't living on the top of the mountains in order for the flood to reach that high......
the flood is described in the quran as huge but never been described as higher than the highest mountain (as in the Bible)....
Ok thats the other way of interpreting it.
You could also nitpick the local flood in the bible though, like for instance, the terrain in Noah's time might have been different, with significantly shorter mountains.
Anyway, apparently it's impossible to determine whether the flood describd in the Quran is global or local, but I'll give you that your book definitely contains less indications of the global flood than the bible.
Ok thats the other way of interpreting it.
You could also nitpick the local flood in the bible though, like for instance, the terrain in Noah's time might have been different, with significantly shorter mountains.
Anyway, apparently it's impossible to determine whether the flood describd in the Quran is global or local, but I'll give you that your book definitely contains less indications of the global flood than the bible.
I know that ..... lots argued for the possibility of a global flood and provided proofs, some argued of a world this time of one continent ........ I just find difficulty of believing in a global one hitting the planet to punish a group of people..... or may be there were other reasons besides, only in God's mind?
lots of question and we have only to speculate....
....and I agree with you the Bible have stong indications of the global flood ...
I know that ..... lots argued for the possibility of a global flood and provided proofs, some argued of a world this time of one continent ........ I just find difficulty of believing in a global one hitting the planet to punish a group of people..... or may be there were other reasons besides, only in God's mind?
lots of question and we have only to speculate....
....and I agree with you the Bible have stong indications of the global flood ...
A global flood would be quite impossible, there just simply isn't enough water.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
A global flood would be quite impossible, there just simply isn't enough water.
There's enough water, you'd just have to change the topography of the Earth for everything to be covered.
To "briefly" summarize the Story of Prophet Nuh written by Ibn Kathir (and based on the Qur'an and ahadith):
People were saddened by the deaths of a few pious people, so Satan inspired the people to erect statues to remember them. Generations later, the people had no idea what the statues were for, so Satan inspired them to worship these statues as gods, believing that they would bring them good, protect them from evil and provide them with all their needs. The idea basically spread from there. They forgot about God, and subsequently became ignorant, cruel and immoral.
So, God sent Noah as a messenger to his people, calling them to worship only God, and guide them to the truth. Most of his people rejected him. Aside from his family, he was only followed by the poor, weak, helpless, etc. among his people, while everyone else rejected him, and he was opposed by the rich and powerful elite, with taunts and threats. He argued with them, and kept calling his people for centuries. Every passing generation told the succeeding one not to believe Noah and to wage war against him.
When his followers were no longer increasing, he became disheartened with his people, but didn't despair. God then revealed to him that no others would believe and not to grieve for them. So Noah prayed to God to destroy the disbelievers, not leaving a single one on Earth, saying that they would mislead the believers and only beget more disbelievers. God accepted Noah's prayer, and told him to build a ship with his knowledge and instructions. He began construction on the ark, away from the sea. Those who rejected him, mocked him over it. When he finished the ark, God revealed to him that when water miraculously gushed forth from the oven at Noah's house, that would be the sign of the start of the flood.
The sign came, and he, his family (except for 1 of his sons) and followers embarked on the ark with 2 (male and female) of every kind, for which his people laughed at him for. Water rose from the cracks in the earth; there was not a crack from which water did not rise. Rain poured from the sky in quantities never seen before on earth. Water continued pouring from the sky and rising from the cracks; hour after hour the level rose. The interior of the earth moved in a strange way, and the ocean floors lifted suddenly, and the seas and waves invaded the land.
When the decree was fulfilled against the disbelievers, God commanded the earth and the sky to withhold its water. The water diminished, and the ark rested on Mt. Judi, at which point, everyone disembarked.
We see a suggested change of the topography, with the ocean floors lifting suddenly. With such a tectonic phenomenon, a lot of ocean water would be displaced onto the land.
The average depth of the ocean is approximately 2 miles, with the depth of the trenches being approximately 5 miles.
Currently, water already covers 70% of the Earth at the average depth of 2 miles. Hypothetically, if the ocean floor lifted up to sea level, then all that ocean water would be displaced above it, and you'd have 2-mile high walls of water, crashing down onto the shores. The water would disperse itself over the remaining 30% of the Earth, lowering the water's average height above it by 25%, making it 1.5 miles (approximately 8,000 ft.) over the rest of the Earth.
So, while there isn't enough water on Earth or in the atmosphere to flood the entire world at its current topography, if the topography were changed, there would be.
Here's another indication that water rose as high as a mountain:
Does God have the power to arrange a big flood on a small planet, in some insignificant solar system, in some minor galaxy tucked away in the universe?
It seems God would need a microscope to make such a minor adjustment.
It could almost be like me sitting on the beach wondering how I could cause a catastrophic flood to happen on a single grain of sand. Which part of the ocean should I take my single drop of flood water from?
The greater question surely is not to ask about the geographical extent of the flood, but rather why did God set the flood in motion?
In the spirit of searching for a big God; whilst living on a microscopic planet?
the period between the birth of Noah and the death of Adam was 146 years. (According to Genesis 5 (new Revised Standard Version), Noah was born one hundred and twenty six years after the death of Adam
Hello..
I was just reading this and there is something wrong with the time frame of Adam and Noah.
The Revised Standard Version Bible was written in the 1900's-20th century and although it's been modified, it has been placed under scrutiny in the Christian world.
But.... back to the topic of the tread..... The time span from Adam to Noah is not 126 or 146 years. It's over 1200 - 1400 years between the two. Even if you read the RSV it will state the years from Adam to sons and sons and sons (ect).... until you reach Noah.
I'm wondering if the author of the article presented in post #2 forgot to place a 0 -zero- in the report.. It seems that way.
Brothers and sisters, no matter what religion or race you are. Hearken please.
First, please understand that God is the creator and master of this multiverse. That's right, there's many universes beyond this one with different laws of physics. I am a physicist and I have some idea of what I am talking about.
Please read the Torah, Bible, Koran or any books on astrophysics on how they describe the SIZE of creation.
Have you ever built a house? If you have, then you probably have some idea how hard it is. How about an aeroplane? Now that would probably be beyond most people. How about a planet? Or a star system? Most people can't even imagine how big a star system is. Try this: If you can drive from here to the sun, it will take you about 110 YEARS if do 160km per hour (100 miles per hour) NON-STOP. Now that's far. But the sun is VERY VERY VERY SMALL you see, when compared to a galaxy. And we think that there are billions of galaxies in this universe alone. Did I mentioned that there are other universes?
Well, I hope you get the idea.
A lot of people think they know and understand God, while at the same time some people don't think he even existed.
Well let me tell you this. If there is indeed a GOD, then you DON'T KNOW him. That's because you DON'T HAVE THE MEANS to perceive him!!! Can you see Alpha Centauri? Thats a star only about 4.5 light years away. Can you see the electron? It's only about 2 trillion times smaller than a golf ball. You can't right? These are just his creations and already we are having a hard time to comprehend them.
Actually, there is no adequate human words to describe the power of god. He can CREATE AND DESTROY THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM ITSELF!!!
Compared to the power required to do that, bringing the entire dead people and animals that has EVER LIVED ON THIS PLANET is NOTHING!!!
Or for that matter, flooding the entire earth and saving Noah alone.
Do you know how big Noah's Ark was? Please do some research. Because if we use our intelligence we can work it out. It was big enough to house a pair of every species of land animals on the planet.
^^^^ nice post I appreciate it, however according to suret al'moemnoon (23) in the Quran.. Noah was sent to his folks not (all of man kind) I don't know how heavily populated the earth was then.. but the verses are clear on the matter:
Pickthal 23:23] And We verily sent Noah unto his folk, and he said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah save Him. Will ye not ward off (evil)? [Pickthal 23:24] But the chieftains of his folk, who disbelieved, said: This is only a mortal like you who would make himself superior to you. Had Allah willed, He surely could have sent down angels. We heard not of this in the case of our fathers of old. [Pickthal 23:25] He is only a man in whom is a madness, so watch him for a while. [Pickthal 23:26] He said: My Lord! Help me because they deny me. [Pickthal 23:27] Then We inspired in him, saying: Make the ship under Our eyes and Our inspiration. Then, when Our command cometh and the oven gusheth water, introduce therein of every (kind) two spouses, and thy household save him thereof against whom the Word hath already gone forth. And plead not with Me on behalf of those who have done wrong. Lo! they will be drowned. [Pickthal 23:28] And when thou art on board the ship, thou and whoso is with thee, then say: Praise be to Allah Who hath saved us from the wrongdoing folk! [Pickthal 23:29] And say: My Lord! Cause me to land at a blessed landing-place, for Thou art Best of all who bring to land. [Pickthal 23:30] Lo! herein verily are portents, for lo! We are ever putting (mankind) to the test.
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