While procrastinating during my study time I was thinking...
How come I have never heard an atheist say, I was outside on a beautiful summers day gazing at the greenery when I said to myself, "There is no God."
It always seems to be:
1. I saw suffering
2. These people acted evil and hurt me or someone else
3. The world is a bad place
4. There can't be anything on the other side, we're just animals and will turn to dust.
On the contrary, people who become Muslims or Christians mention:
1. Someone did good to me or someone else
2. The heavens and the earth so beautiful and complex
3. There has to be something out there, we're not just animals, we have eternal souls.
Seems like more often than not, atheism sprouts from negativity, while theism from positivity.
Now you may say that you "logically arrived" at atheism, but new theists would say the exact same thing about their views. This doesn't change the pattern of negativity and positivity that I mentioned above.
Last edited by AntiKarateKid; 04-18-2009 at 11:28 PM.
....arguments the Atheist use often is: well if god exists why dosent he come down here and eradicate misery and suffering,
No, no, why doesn't he just come down here full stop!
The story goes that whe god spoke to Adam, god's voice boomed out of a cloud - god did not come down to earth.
When god spoke to Moses, god's voice came out of a burning bush. Why did god not appear as a man?
When god told Mary she was with child, the event was so important god sent an angel to tell her - god didn't have the time to visit.
And when god gave that very importyant message to the prophet mohammed (pbuh) god again was to busy that day ( those 20 years) and sent an angel as many times as it took till the complete message was delivered.
In school, teachers watch over you and you get a report card.
At the office the boss manages you and tells you how you are going.
God never gives a report card.
God has never visited the earth. In all the religious stories god has never visited the earth.
No, no, why doesn't he just come down here full stop!
The story goes that whe god spoke to Adam, god's voice boomed out of a cloud - god did not come down to earth.
When god spoke to Moses, god's voice came out of a burning bush. Why did god not appear as a man?-
Allah is perfect. He is not like any of His creation. , and a muslim is NOT allowed to compare Allah with any of his creatures.
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When god told Mary she was with child, the event was so important god sent an angel to tell her - god didn't have the time to visit.
And when god gave that very importyant message to the prophet mohammed (pbuh) god again was to busy that day ( those 20 years) and sent an angel as many times as it took till the complete message was delivered.-
No man can withstand the sight or presence of Allah (SWT) AND he got angels to do that
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
In school, teachers watch over you and you get a report card.
At the office the boss manages you and tells you how you are going.
God never gives a report card.-
he give final report card A = Paradise F= HELL Pays you with all you desires=paradise pays you with pain and fire =hell
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
God has never visited the earth. In all the religious stories god has never visited the earth.-
Nope He created it He dont need to visit it it belongs to Him just like you do
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
Of course none of you are atheist so none of you would know if we feel something missing on the inside. We do not. If we were truly unhappy on the inside and felt like we were missing something why would we stay an atheist?
I wish you all love, peace, and happiness in your lives.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle www.themuslimzone.com
atheist of peace www.heathen-hub.com
godzilla
Of course none of you are atheist so none of you would know if we feel something missing on the inside. We do not. If we were truly unhappy on the inside and felt like we were missing something why would we stay an atheist?
How's about we define happy first???
"And do not Die unless you are in the state of Islam (Submission)"
Of course none of you are atheist so none of you would know if we feel something missing on the inside. We do not. If we were truly unhappy on the inside and felt like we were missing something why would we stay an atheist?
keep telling your self that the reason is you would not like to consider one day they will have to answer for their actions and for their refusal to acknowledge their Benefactor to whom they owe their very existence
Allah knows best
but as you said how we know i have never been that far lost and gone
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
keep telling your self that the reason is you would not like to consider one day they will have to answer for their actions and for their refusal to acknowledge their Benefactor to whom they owe their very existence
Allah knows best
It is not just a refusal but an inability to accept the idea.
I wish you all love, peace, and happiness in your lives.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle www.themuslimzone.com
atheist of peace www.heathen-hub.com
godzilla
My dear friend, that is not a definition, Who can help in defining happy?
A happy person is some one who experiences joy. They may also feel sorrow and the like but learn from that and know how to move past it. A happy person is some one who enjoys life, has a positive attitude, makes the best of things, sees the good side of things, hmmmmmm etc....
I wish you all love, peace, and happiness in your lives.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle www.themuslimzone.com
atheist of peace www.heathen-hub.com
godzilla
A happy person is some one who experiences joy. They may also feel sorrow and the like but learn from that and know how to move past it. A happy person is some one who enjoys life, has a positive attitude, makes the best of things, sees the good side of things, hmmmmmm etc....
Well i hope you make the best of things now but always remember this Allah is the must forgiving and merciful run back to Him and beg for His mercy and forgiveness
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
“Allah (Mighty and Exalted Be He) is indeed very Merciful, Loving and Compassionate, but He is also Just and Severe in punishment
we cant forget “Forgiver of sins, Accepter of repentance, the Stern in punishment, the Powerful…” (Ghafir: 3)
It is wrong to accept only some aspect of Allah and ignore or negate some other aspects. When people believe only in the love of Allah and ignore His justice and power they become careless and do whatever they wish. When people believe in the justice and power of Allah and ignore His love and compassion they become hermits and monks and run away from the world and its enjoyments. Islam teaches us a balanced life and so it teaches us both aspects of Allah’s Being.
from islamonline.com
Last edited by أبو سليمان عمر; 04-22-2009 at 01:51 AM.
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
A happy person is some one who experiences joy. They may also feel sorrow and the like but learn from that and know how to move past it. A happy person is some one who enjoys life, has a positive attitude, makes the best of things, sees the good side of things, hmmmmmm etc....
Hmmmm, Exactly. I think that is a very limited definition of happy (It has an ending, as it is restricted to This life itself). What happens when this life ends?
I myself would define happiness as an overall contentment of the inner soul. A soul which is free from the desire of the materialistic nature of life and has a feeling of purpose for its existence. What happens when the person or soul reaches the highest level of what this existence can offer? Its reached the highest point but cannot offer anymore? What happens then? I would say it turns to sadness, to lack of hope for something bigger and that is why I would define a happy soul to be a soul that searches for something bigger, something beyond the realm of this life. Once the soul finds that bigger existance and is content with it, thats when it would be TRULY HAPPY!.
"And do not Die unless you are in the state of Islam (Submission)"
AoP I WANNA ASK you a question be honest have you ever prayed to God you know when things are tough or you are down?
Once since becoming an atheist, but it was more to make a point. Also I tried to make a deal with the devel first. Like I said it was to make a point and to show that I meant anything. Mby I'll pm you the story it is very personal, probably not fully appropraite, and may contain info I do not feel like disclosing to the gneral public here atm.
I wish you all love, peace, and happiness in your lives.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle www.themuslimzone.com
atheist of peace www.heathen-hub.com
godzilla
Once since becoming an atheist, but it was more to make a point. Also I tried to make a deal with the devel first. Like I said it was to make a point and to show that I meant anything. Mby I'll pm you the story it is very personal, probably not fully appropraite, and may contain info I do not feel like disclosing to the gneral public here atm.
i would love to here it but its ok i dont think you should share something that personal but you answered my question and that was the only time
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
There is this "skeptics prayer" I do some times. "lord, if there is a lord, save my soul, if I have a soul," its short sweet and to the point. You can't say that I am not and have not tried.
I wish you all love, peace, and happiness in your lives.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle www.themuslimzone.com
atheist of peace www.heathen-hub.com
godzilla
i would love to here it but its ok i dont think you should share something that personal but you answered my question and that was the only time
Like I said its not about sharing the info but about sharing it here. Also I made a point to mention that I did not do so in the normal sense. It was more of to make a point.
I wish you all love, peace, and happiness in your lives.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle www.themuslimzone.com
atheist of peace www.heathen-hub.com
godzilla
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