Assalamu Alaikom wa rahmatollahe wa barakatoh, sisters & brothers..
((HinduIconoclast)) is a new member in our forum & he posted a thread in the (introduce yourself) section. However, since I am still a limited member, I can’t reply in that section. Therefore, I’ll copy his thread here & you all are welcome to participate in the discussion. I hope he will see the thread here; could anyone send a private message for him to tell him about our discussion here? Because again I am a limited member & I can’t send private messages..
Hope that you, HinduIconoclast, will not be annoyed for copying your thread and discussing it here..
Written by: HinduIconoclast
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, my dear brothers, sisters, and respected elders.
I was born into a Hindu family and practiced Hinduism throughout my childhood. However, later on I began to question my faith and after some research into Christianity, I became an Evangelical Christian at age 13. After about a year-and-a-half, I began to question my beliefs even more and after some more in-depth investigation into Hinduism, I reconverted back to Hinduism. After about eight or nine months, I began to investigate Islam and after some very in-depth research, watching videos of lectures by Dr. Zakir Naik, Khalid Yasin, Bilal Philips, and Ahmed Deedat, I adapted many Islamic beliefs, but I never accepted Quranic creationism (since I went back to believing in Darwinism after I left Evangelical Christianity). After about half a year, I left this Islamic belief system and went back to Christianity, this time a less fundamentalist belief system which agreed with Darwinian evolution and aligned most-closely with the Southern Baptist Convention. A while later, after even more research into Christian doctrine and finding the Christian concept of "God is love" very troubling, I went back to Hinduism. Now I am almost 17 years old and I follow a belief system which combines Islamic theology beliefs with Hindu jursiprudence. By that I mean that I believe in One formless God who created the universe, I believe in tawheed, I refer to God as Allah, I believe that practices such as: idol-worship, anthropomorphism of Divinity, astrology, fortune telling, card-reading, palmistry, etc. should be forbidden and its practicioners punished. However, the Hindu jurisprudence comes in because I believe in cremating the dead instead of burying them, I do not abstain from eating pork, I discourage circumcision, I do not think that women should be covered up by a hijab/burqa, etc.
Thank you.
Welcome, HinduIconoclast, in our forum and I hope that you enjoy staying in this family and benefiting from their thoughts.
Let me first encourage your efforts to reach the truth in this age; it’s really great to search deeply and use your mind to think, not just emulate what the grandfathers did..
It’s great that you believe in Allah Who is the right one God Who deserves the worship alone..
Believing all the concepts of (tawheed) as you said, includes believing the complete and full attributes of Allah. Since He is THE CREATOR, THE GREAT ONE, THE ALL-KNOWING, THE JUDGE, and THE TRUTH, the religion from Him (which is Islam) is also the truth and has the complete, full and right rules. We have to believe that it’s the truth even if our minds didn’t get some facts, because this is a problem of our intelligence & understanding, not in the religion itself!
About burying dead bodies, if you think about it, it is really kind of venerating the human being. I can’t imagine the hearts that accepts to see burning the loved people! When we bury dead people, we still can see the graves, visit them, ask for mercy from Allah to them, remember that we will be like them on one day and so we have to be good Muslims in order to be happy in the afterlife.. But if there is no graves, what will be the sermon and lesson that remind us?
Actually, the biggest evidence that we have to bury dead bodies is what came in the Holy Quran about the story of Adam's two sons. We know that Adam (peace be upon him) is the father of human & he is the first human being. When his son killed, he was the first dead person, and they still don’t know what to do in this new event..
Allah said in Soorat (chapter) Al-Maeda: [5:31] GOD then sent a raven to scratch the soil, to teach him how to bury his brother's corpse. He said, "Woe to me; I failed to be as intelligent as this raven, and bury my brother's corpse." He became ridden with remorse.
Therefore, from this we can know that burying is the habit of human being since this lesson from Allah..
And if you ask yourself, HinduIconoclast, about what MOST of people do either nowadays or in the past history, and what the abnormal thing that (some) people do, you will be able to realize the fact about what of them is the habit of human being.
I would like here to emphasize that Allah is ABLE to resurrect people whatever their kind of dead bodies. If they are buried, burned, sunk .. etc all of them will be resurrected to be asked about their deeds and rewarded or punished. As the Islam teaches us, we know that after we die, and after the life here will finish, every person will be in the paradise or the hell. Allah is fair, so the death of a person doesn’t mean that he will not be punished for all his mistakes and all the bad things that he did for the others. People who were poor, or ill should have reward for their endurance, as well as people who did good things if they are believers and Muslims. The life was not created for no goal, it is not just birth and death, it doesn’t end here. Everyone will be judged according to his deeds.
1. Components of human body present in the soil
Elements that are present in the human body are present in lesser or greater quantity in the soil. Hence it is more scientific to bury a dead body, as it easily gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.
2. No Pollution
Cremating (burning) the dead body leads to pollution of the atmosphere, which is detrimental to health and harmful for the environment. There is no such pollution caused by burying a dead body.
3. Surrounding land becomes fertile
To cremate a dead body several trees have to be chopped, which reduces the greenery and harms the environment and the ecology. When dead bodies are buried, besides the trees being saved, the surrounding land becomes fertile and it improves the environment.
4. Economical
It is expensive to cremate a dead body when tons of wood has to be burnt. Annually there is a loss of crores of rupees, only because dead bodies are cremated in India. Burying dead bodies is very cheap. It hardly costs any money.
5. Same land can be utilised for burying another body
The wood used for cremating a dead body cannot be re-utilised for cremating another dead body since it gets converted to ashes. The land used for burying a dead body can be re-utilised for burying another body after a few years since the human body gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.
However, as I think, these scientific reasons are NOT greater than the reasons that I stated above.. I still can’t imagine the emotions after burning a loved person in the fire! May Allah save us from the fire in the life and also the hell in the afterlife..
About your opinion about eating porks, circumcision & hejab, I’ll write some comments about them later insha Allah.. I need to rest a little bit ^^
Hope that the others will share their thoughts..
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Really hope for you to see the light, understand and reach the truth in Islam :sunny:
What nonsense U are talking about? One nonsense that I found on this thread was a false story of an imaginary revert. And it cant be possible that naked body of a deceased can be visible.Period. and I didnt say that anyone is lying about Islam.
Peace to U.
Are u sure about that? Like I said, we cannot lie about Islam. I didnt say u said anyone in particular, but that you hinted lies were rumored to spread Islam. That is what I'm talking about. So I said we cannot lie about islam at all. That's a sin upon us. Maybe u didn't mean it that way? But let me assure you that's what your statement means. I'm not new to English!
format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane
Peace Muslim Woman,
Well sister I m sorry to say that the story of hindu revert that U quoted is a balant lie. This is not the way that cremnation is done that the naked boly of deceased is visible to anyone even when the clothes are burnt. I challange it, Just reconfirm it, its shameful bundle of lies. I feel pained that misinformation about other religions is being spread in order to spread the truth ie Islam. What a shame.
You see, what you claim is not what we're not allowed to do.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Well sister I m sorry to say that the story of hindu revert that U quoted is a balant lie. This is not the way that cremnation is done that the naked boly of deceased is visible to anyone even when the clothes are burnt. I challange it, Just reconfirm it, its shameful bundle of lies. I feel pained that misinformation about other religions is being spread in order to spread the truth ie Islam. What a shame.
May I expect the ex hindu hinduiconoclast to confirm this naked lie?
First of all, justahumane, be sure that Muslim woman did hear it from somewhere, because we must not to lie..
However, (( if )) that source (where she got the story) wasn’t correct, we apologize, but it’s a fault of that source..
Also be sure that the right beliefs of Islam can be evidenced, even without these stories :sunny:
Everything we have is from The Most Great, Allah, and everything from The Only True God is the truth even when thinking about it logically by our minds..
Because the thread is ( Discussion with HinduIconoclast ).
No problem brother, we are discussing other things here as you see..
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
I have two questions :
When ( AGE ) our prophete mohamed SWS received the revelation ?
What was his religion before the revelation ?
As Light of Heaven Jazaha Allah Khair said:
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
Prophet Muhammad(saw) recieved the revelation when he(saw) was 40 years old.
Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a monotheist. He didn't follow any of the religions at his(saw) time.
In the early days of the prophet’s life, most people in Makkah were heathen; they used to worship idols.. However, the prophet has never ever worshipped them..
Narrated by Aisha about the days before revelation: The commencement of the divine inspiration to Allah's apostle was in the form of good dreams which came like bright daylight (i.e. true) and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him.. (Sahih Bukhari)
He used to go regularly in seclusion in the Cave of Hira', where he used to worship (Allah alone).. There, he was thinking and cogitating of the Kingdom of Allah, and His great creations.. till suddenly the truth came while he was in the Cave of Hira', with the first revelation..
The prophet was behaving very morally even before the revelation; when he was afraid of what Gabriel (peace be upon him) said in the first revelation, his wife Khadijah told him: "Have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones."
The prophet received the revelation at age of 40, called for the message of Allah 23 years: 13 years in Makkah and then 10 years in Al Madeenah.. He died at age of 63 peace be upon him..
What nonsense U are talking about? One nonsense that I found on this thread was a false story of an imaginary revert. .
ooopsss I missed these posts totally . Despite the hatred media propaganda against Islam , thousands & thousands are embracing Islam all over the world And sadly Muslims are not that active like Christian missionaries . I find it amazing that even after 9/11 , thousands Americans became Muslims.
So , there is no need for me to submit a false story . May be , the brother who wrote his revert story , in their case , woods were not enough to cover the body or somehow some woods fell from the body and nakedness apperared ..I don't know . I just wrote what I read in that story.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
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