Thanks for your view but....
I assume you are giving your opinion..as other atheists may have other thoughts. Don't you have feel the curiosty within the topic regarding afterlife? Don't you wonder how you were born? How your grandmother was born and her grandmother..? Beyond explanation for you? How would you explain that? How will you explain the Earth forming?
Don't ask about the formation of the earth here, you're threadjacking your own discussion!
Regarding the afterlife, I don't think that mere belief can make such a thing happen.
Religion makes people both hope that it is true and fear that it is true.
I just can't make myself believe in something because I want it to be true. It would be nice if there were fairies, but I don't live my whole life just in hope of seeing one. Likewise, I don't hang garlic to protect myself from Dracula.
I see it like hoping that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You run towards the rainbow, but it keeps moving away from you, and once you reach the end of the water droplets that are refracting the light it just dissipates.
I've never actually looked for a pot of gold, but I have chased after rainbows
Here's a question: If there is an afterlife, is the entity that survives us really us?
Even if you made an exact copy, all it would be is a copy. The continuum of consciousness would be broken. You would die, and a copy of you would begin life--or, rather, afterlife.
Rather than answering your counter-question yet..I would like to know 'How the Earth was formed' answered by you. Seems you don't have an answer describing it because you stalled it off with a comment. Please do answer that question before I answer yours, tommorow inshallah.
Rather than answering your counter-question yet..I would like to know 'How the Earth was formed' answered by you. Seems you don't have an answer describing it because you stalled it off with a comment. Please do answer that question before I answer yours, tommorow inshallah.
Oh, I dunno... Gravity?
Let's take it a step further and just go with the current theory. Based on the "Big Bang" thread, it seems that your Brothers and Sisters in Islam accept the findings of physics and astronomy, if not biology.
Basically, there was a giant cloud of dust and gas called a nebula. As gravity pulled it together, lumps formed out of the debris and began to exert their own gravitational force. The largest lump was so large that it began to fuse hydrogen atoms together to produce large amounts of energy. This was the sun. The other lumps either orbited the sun or were consumed by it. Lumps in the same orbit eventually collided and combined. Voila-planets.
This is just a hypothesis. It's possible that the sun collided with another star and the planets were flung out into orbit. This doesn't make as much sense, but it's possible.
The nebula hypothesis explains more things about the nature of our solar system, such as why it is an ecliptic, and we can see nebulae at various stages of this process with our most powerful telescopes, but I won't discount anything.
If you want to learn more, go read a science text book. If my description was in any way lacking, there are some decent visuals out there,and they may be found via video search.
Again, I think it's odd that you want to go off topic in your own discussion. It makes me think that you don't want to have an actual discussion, but would rather challenge other people's faith, or my total lack of it.
Basically you're turning the watchmaker argument on me, which, I'd like to point out, has nothing to do with the existence of the afterlife. The only thing the watchmaker argument supports is the existence of the deist god ( with a lowercase g). If you would like to discuss that, there are other threads.
Back on topic:
I've always wanted to know what it feels like to seriously believe that the majority of people living in this world are going to Hell.
So, what does it feel like?
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Reason: She posted after me, I want to take out some off-topic ramblings, and I can't post again to ask my question. It's all good
You may not know my intention in making this thread,but don't worry this is related. please don't judge the persons physical appearance and make a quick assumption to accuse one,rather just ask if it is related or not,which to my understanding is a better way of indicating if I am relating to the original topic or not. Thanks in advance.
As for my question(about the Earth forming) I asked you is still left without an un- educated reply. Please explain that how gravity can create a planet(s)? If you can't answer that,then why are you an athiest? Without knowing the reasoning of not following a god,how can you prove that their is no god when the evidence lies in front of you.Allah knows the best and best of luck.
After death you stay in waiting for next birth as a human or animal or plant depending on your karma in previous births. When a child takes birth in a family where you are destined to be born, you take birth.
After death you stay in waiting for next birth as a human or animal or plant depending on your karma in previous births. When a child takes birth in a family where you are destined to be born, you take birth.
I never heard of that view before. Can you please go into more detail? Sounds very interesting.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
After death you stay in waiting for next birth as a human or animal or plant depending on your karma in previous births. When a child takes birth in a family where you are destined to be born, you take birth.
What was your first karma?
If your first karma was from the first human being on the earth then how is it that so many babies get borned being that person?
After death you stay in waiting for next birth as a human or animal or plant depending on your karma in previous births. When a child takes birth in a family where you are destined to be born, you take birth.
so youve actually lived a gazillion lives previously? and does an animal reincarnate into a human? so could for example a pig in the last life be a human and then a snake?
and is there anywhere in ur mind that u know of your previous life?
and if for example you killed a spider then can it come back as a human to attack you?
and how long does the process take? (like will you come back onto earth straight away or it takes time?)
Last edited by S_87; 09-27-2009 at 10:32 PM.
Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed.
Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
so youve actually lived a gazillion lives previously? and does an animal reincarnate into a human? so could for example a pig in the last life be a human and then a snake?
and is there anywhere in ur mind that u know of your previous life?
and if for example you killed a spider then can it come back as a human to attack you?
and how long does the process take? (like will you come back onto earth straight away or it takes time?)
The universe exists since infinity and we exist since them as independent identities. And yes, this phenomenon of taking birth as one form or other is called "Yoni". That means you can have the "yoni" of a horse or crocodile or fish or eucaliptus tree depending on your previous karma.
I would like to mention that the information which i am writing is a hindu view. Islamic view may differ.
Regards
And you wont be questioned by the One God and no one else in the middle?
I think our beliefs concerning the Judgment are similar. We both believe in an immediate judgment by God after death, and then a general judgment on the Last Day, unless I was mistaken?
I think our beliefs concerning the Judgment are similar. We both believe in an immediate judgment by God after death, and then a general judgment on the Last Day, unless I was mistaken?
So, no Jesus(peace be upon him) interfearing?
Our stuff is detailed and I'm sure that yours is too. Very complex and I don't qualify to preach about it.
So, no Jesus(peace be upon him) interfearing?
Our stuff is detailed and I'm sure that yours is too. Very complex and I don't qualify to preach about it.
Jesus explicitly revealed that He will be the Judge on the Last Day. It stands as a proof for His Divinity since this role was something ascribed to God. I know from your perspective this is "interfering" but we're just following what Jesus revealed to us.
Jesus explicitly revealed that He will be the Judge on the Last Day. It stands as a proof for His Divinity since this role was something ascribed to God. I know from your perspective this is "interfering" but we're just following what Jesus revealed to us.
I see,that he is the God who judges. But Jesus(pbuh) isn't God from our point of view.
I see,that he is the God who judges. But Jesus(pbuh) isn't God from our point of view.
Yes, therein lies the difference. But for the most part our beliefs about the particular judgment after death and the General Judgment on the Last Day are the same.
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. Please do answer that question before I answer yours, tommorow inshallah.
. please don't judge the persons physical appearance and make a quick assumption to accuse one,rather just ask if it is related or not,which to my understanding is a better way of indicating if I am relating to the original topic or not. Thanks in advance.
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