Quran VS Bible , a thoroughly comparative study,arranged by items

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

Interesting. I do know the full prohibition against alcohol took time to reveal and we were not immediately told of the prohibition

Soorah 16:67 says: “And the fruits of the palm and the vine, from which you derive intoxicants and wholesome food. Surely in this there is a sign for men of understanding.” (Dawood)
This verse says nothing bad about alcohol.

However, a later verse, Soorah 2:219 states that there is more harm than good in alcoholic drinks. Evidently, drunkenness caused serious problems for the Muslims.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 324 says: “Allah's Apostle started rebuking Hamza for what he had done, but Hamza was drunk and his eyes were red. Hamza looked at Allah's Apostle and then he raised his eyes, looking at his knees, then he raised up his eyes looking at his umbilicus, and again he raised up his eyes look in at his face. Hamza then said, "Aren't you but the slaves of my father?" Allah's Apostle realized that he was drunk, so Allah's Apostle retreated, and we went out with him.”

It seems that on one occasion some were so drunk that they could not pray properly. So Soorah 4:43 directed them: “Believers, do not approach your prayers when you are drunk, but wait until you can grasp the meaning of your words.” (Dawood)

This still only forbids alcohol before prayers. It doesn’t ban alcohol completely.

But then a later passage in Soorah 5:90-91 finally made it law to abstain from alcohol altogether. So the disapproval of alcohol was expressed in gradual stages each time with a stronger admonition until finally alcohol was completely outlawed.

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

I am not familiar with any such Hadith. But, I admit I am not familiar with very many Ahadith. Would you be kind enough to give a source for that Hadith?

Please see my post number 305. By the way, I am not at all an expert in these matters. So I would be grateful if you could correct any mistakes that I might make.

I wish to point out that Injeel is not Gospel and Injeel can never be translated to "Gospel" just as Isa can never be translated to "Jesus" and those wno continue to insert names like "Jesus" and "Gospel" into the Quran and into Islam are certainly not on right guidance and misunderstand the Scripture.
When the Quran confirms that the Messiah was not crucified, the Quran confirms that there was a hoax in the crucifixion, and because Allah Speaks the Truth, the Bible agrees with the Quran and the Bible shows itself to be a party to the Hoax and it exposes the beautiful execution of the hoax in which two thieves were named "Jesus" for their unexpected crucifixion on the Sabbath. Please bring the Quran and Islam into the 21st. century?

TRUTH IN THE BIBLE IS:

• “Well Master, thou hast said the Truth: for there is ONE GOD, and there is None other but He.” Mark 12:32
• The Gospel of Christ was preached before any disciple was named. (See Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 11:4 – 5, and Mark 1:14 – 15)
• The Gospel of Christ was preached without any mention of physical violence to the Messiah. (See Matthew 4:23-25, Chapters 5 - 10, 11:4 – 5, and Mark 1:14 – 15)
• The Gospel of Christ was preached without as much as a whisper of any crucifixion of any sort. (See Matthew 4:23, 5:1 –27, 9:35, 11:4 – 5, and Mark 1:14 – 15)
• Christ sent out his disciples who successfully preached his Gospel without mention of any physical harm coming to the Christ and without a word of a crucifixion of any sort. (See Matthew 10:1 – 42, Mark 6:7 – 13, Luke 9:1 – 10)
• Roman Governor of Jerusalem, Pontius Pilate, declared Christ innocent of all false accusations that were brought against him, (See Luke 23:4,14, 15, 22, John 18:38, 19:46)
• Roman Governor, Herod of Galilee, declared Christ innocent (Luke23: 15) making Christ a free man under Roman Power and Authority (Luke 23:20, John19:12)
• Three Gospels give evidence that Christ bore no cross and made no physical contact with the trappings of crucifixion. (See Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21, Luke 23:26)
• Three Gospels give evidence that one Simon of Cyrene, who was not the Christ, was made to bear a cross to Golgotha. (See Matthew 27:32-37, Mark 15:21-26, and Luke 23:26-38) and this indicates to us that there were three crosses on the way to Golgotha, none of which Christ carried.
• The Gospel of John alone gives evidence that the cross that was borne by Jesus carried the inscription, “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” (John 19:16-22).
• Two of the four Gospels have given us two crosses out of three with the inscribed name of “JESUS”. (Matthew 27:37, John 19:19)
• Governor Pontius Pilate was the author of the inscription and title of “JESUS KING OF THE JEWS” and this was therefore the official title of the crucifixion of two thieves by Roman authority. (John 19:19-22)
• The “Jesus” of the Gospels is not the Christ but the thieves who were crucified. The Christ was not crucified nor is Jesus the Christ, as the Gospel of John would have us believe, “That ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ”. (John 20:31)
• The name “Jesus “is a Roman title and is not the name of the son of the virgin of Isaiah 7:14, and nowhere in the Gospels does the virgin name her child as Jesus.
• None of the four Gospels mention the presence of two thieves for crucifixion during the trials and the scourging, or before all three crosses arrive at Golgotha. (Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27, Luke 23:33, John 19:18)
• It was only when the procession arrived at Golgotha that the Gospels came to realise that there were actually three crosses and that two thieves made the trip to Golgotha for crucifixion. (Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27, Luke 23:33, John 19:18)
• "Jehu is King." (II Kings 9:13) Jehu means “He is Jah” and Jehu was anointed "King over Israel." (II Kings 9:12), making him Jehu Christ.
• There is no Jesus Christ in the Old Testament but there is a Jehu Christ, King over Israel (II Kings 9:2-3). Jehu translates He is Jah, but Jesus is a combination of Jah and Zeus and an attempt to make Zeus equal with Jah.
• Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23) is the name that was commanded for the Messiah, the son of the virgin, by the Lord, God of the Children of Israel.
• The name “Immanuel” is Hebrew for “God with us” while the name “Jesus” is not of the Hebrew language and is neither Greek nor Latin for “God with us” but combines Jah (Hebrew) and Zeus (Greek) to unite Jah with Zeus.
• The name of “Jesus” was Pontius Pilate’s officially declared and written name of the crucified King of the Jews, (Matthew 27:37, Mark 15:26, John 19:19-22).
• Pilate overruled Jewish objections to the name of Jesus that was officially inscribed on all three crosses and he left the inscriptions as they were (John 19:21).
• Nowhere, in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, does anyone make the claim, “I am Jesus” nor does anyone claim, “I am the Christ” nor does anyone claim, “I am Jesus Christ”.
• The name, “Jesus”, is used approximately 628 times in the four Gospels with 171 in Matthew, 95 in Mark, 100 in Luke and 250 in John.
• The title “Christ” is used 51 times in the four Gospels with 12 in Matthew, 8 in Mark, 12 in Luke and 19 in John.
• Jesus is therefore used just over 12 times as much as Christ in the four Gospels, with a ratio of 12.12 to 1. The number 12 is of great importance in the worship of Zeus the Sun God, with twelve months in the year being representative of the twelve disciples.
• Zeus is the Sky God that was worshipped by the Romans as the God of Gods and the Father of Gods and men, and it was among the priests and worshippers of Zeus that Paul and Barnabas performed their “miracles” and preached “the “Living God.” (Acts of the Apostles 14:12 –13)
• It was none other than Zeus the Sky God who is alleged to have spoken from the Midday Sun to Paul saying, “I am Jesus.” (See Acts of the Apostles 9:5, 22:8, and 26:15)
• Paul’s three accounts of his close encounter with Zeus in the midday Sun produced witnesses who saw and did not see the light, who heard yet did not hear the voice, and who stood yet fell to the earth. .” (See Acts of the Apostles 9:5, 22:8, and 26:15)
• The light of Paul’s Jesus from the midday Sun was “above the brightness of the Sun,” shone “round about” Paul and blinded him, yet he assumed that it came from the Heavens above, so Paul himself also saw yet did not see. .” (Acts of the Apostles 9:5, 22:8, and 26:15)
• Zeus the Sky God and Father God speaks in a voice from the Sky at the Baptism of Jesus, “my beloved son,” while the Holy Spirit descended “like a dove.” (Matthew 3:17, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22)
• Jesus is described with the features of Zeus the Sky God at the Transfiguration as “his face did shine as the Sun, and his raiment as white as the light” (Matthew 17:2), “And his raiment became shining exceeding white as Snow (Mark 9:3) “And there was a cloud that overshadowed them”, (with the unmistakable voice of Zeus) “and a voice came out of the cloud saying, this is my beloved son” (Mark 9:7) “his countenance was altered and his raiment was white and glistering” (Luke 9:29), “and there came a cloud and overshadowed them” (Luke 9: 34) “and there came a voice out of the cloud” (Luke 9:35), and all of this is in a meeting with Elisha or Eliseus (Luke 4:27).
• The name, Jesus, is a combination of Jah and Zeus as the intention of Governor Pontius Pilate to match the false charges made by the Biblical Jews that he made himself a God and a Son of God.
• Jah is the God of Israel while Zeus is the God of pagan Rome.
• The Angel at the tomb is none other than Zeus, with the same features as Jesus (Jezeus) in the Transfiguration; “His countenance was like the lightening and his raiment white as snow.” (Matthew 28:3)
• “And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:29), meaning, I can’t save you. You have got to save yourself by your own hands and your own effort.
• “And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable.” (Matthew 5:29), meaning, I can’t save you. You have got to save yourself by your own hands and your own effort.

format_quote Originally Posted by r1h22s

[*]The name, Jesus, is a combination of Jah and Zeus as the intention of Governor Pontius Pilate to match the false charges made by the Biblical Jews that he made himself a God and a Son of God.[*]Jah is the God of Israel while Zeus is the God of pagan Rome.

Hi r1h22s.

I agree that "Jah" (or "Jehovah") is the name of the God of Israel. But Jesus' name has nothing to do with Zeus. "Jesus" is the Greek form of the name "Yeshua". This is almost identical with "Joshua" which is a contraction of "Jehoshua" meaning: "Jehovah is Salvation".

format_quote Originally Posted by r1h22s

I wish to point out that Injeel is not Gospel and Injeel can never be translated to "Gospel" just as Isa can never be translated to "Jesus" and those wno continue to insert names like "Jesus" and "Gospel" into the Quran and into Islam are certainly not on right guidance and misunderstand the Scripture. When the Quran confirms that the Messiah was not crucified, the Quran confirms that there was a hoax in the crucifixion, and because Allah Speaks the Truth, the Bible agrees with the Quran and the Bible shows itself to be a party to the Hoax and it exposes the beautiful execution of the hoax in which two thieves were named "Jesus" for their unexpected crucifixion on the Sabbath. Please bring the Quran and Islam into the 21st. century?

Then WHO or what is the Qu'ran talking about and one supposes you then believe in a man who we know practically nothing about and books as far as we know, no one has ever seen? Hard to see how one can get any guidance from what amounts to nothing?

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

I am aware that my post instigated the Reply by Hugo. I have to accept the responsibility for Hugo's reply. When a person speaks in a manner that is offensive to others, they can only blame themselves if they get a mirror image thrown back at them. I am going to delete both posts, as both posts can be seen as inappropriate for peaceful dialog. but I am leaving all the referring posts untouched. I believe there is a subtle lesson we all can learn from this.

Woodrow, speaking for myself alone, and not all Christians, I didn't find either your post nor Hugo's offensive.

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

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CHAPTER THREE - WHO IS JEHOVAH? (What is His Name - by Ahmed Deedat)COMMON ORIGIN
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]What is YHWH; and what is ELOHIM? Since the lews did not articulate the word YHWH for centuries, and since even the Chief Rabbis would not allow the ineffable to be heard, they have forfeited the right to claim dogmatically how the word is to be sounded.

Very true.

Regardless of the exact way to pronounce the name, the meaning of the name is explained in Exodus 3:14 where God is asked what his name is. He replies: "Ehyeh asher ehyeh" meaning "I Will Prove To Be what I Will Prove To Be". Or as Rotheram translates it: "I Will Become Whatsoever I Please." "Ehyeh" appears to be in the first person (i.e. when God is speaking of himself) whereas "Jehovah" appears to be in the third person (i.e.when God is spoken of by others: "He Will Prove To Be").

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

Indeed that is the remarkable thing about the Quran, an illiterate man has given us the amazing Quran with all that entails on subjects running the gamut, in a melodious tongue that no poet has been able to replicate and still have it be a spiritual guidance and complete way of life to be followed for millenniums, is enough of a testimony to its divine origin!

One wonders if what you say here borders on blasphemy - I though it was Allah who gave you the Qu'ran?

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

The letter J was not known or used in Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, Koine Greek, or even Old English. The name Jesus was never written in the Bible until recent times even in the original 1611 KJV Jesus was spelled Iesous. Using the name Jesus is a very recent innovation and is still unknown in theology except to modern English speaking Christians.

Yes. I should have said "Iesous" rather than "Jesus". My main point was that he would have been addressed as "Yeshua" by others.

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

To some non-English speaking, non-Christians, It could easily appear to be an attempt to incorporate the name Zeus and change the worship of God to the worship of Zeus.

A study of the name Jesus from linguistic sources is a very interesting study. If you have the opportunity to do so look further into it, I believe you will find that what seems to be ancient is a very modern development.

Really? Like later than 1611?

I think that not only 1611, but even 1517 would count as fairly modern development.