Keep your questions about hinduism/islam limited to this thread
He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}] www.QuranicAudio.com www.Quran.com
This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion....( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #3)
And this (submission to Allah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Yaqoob (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims - Islamic Monotheism)."
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #132)
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
1) We believe Allah exists and He's just One God.
2) We believe Muhammad(Peace and Blessing Upon Him) never lied and he's a real prophet from Allah with supporting miracles and evidences of his prophet-hood.
3) We believe the Holy Qur'an is the true words of Allah revealed to Prophet Muhammad Peace and Blessing Upon Him. And we follow every word in the quran and in the sunnah (of the prophet Peace and Blessing Upon Him)
4) Allah said to us in quran through his messenger Muhammad (Peace and Blessing Upon Him) that Islam is the only true religion. So we believe in that.
"O you who believe! Fear ALLAH as He should be feared" [aal 'Imraan, 102]
Do you believe that Islam is the only true religion? If so, why?
Yes it is - which is the sumbission to the will of God on God's terms and not our own.
Just to add Allah swt communicated to humanity in the final revelation (the Quran) and as challenged the disbelievers many times - sadly these challenges have not been met by the disbelievers.
peace
Last edited by Zafran; 07-31-2010 at 05:21 PM.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Aslaamu`Alaaykum
Yes I believe Islaam is the true Religion infact its more of a way of Life
Quraan is the only book that is the same since day 1 and the creator speaks to his creation and there is only Benefit from the teachings of the Qur`aan! Everything in the Quraan is perfect, and would it not be when its from the Creator and has proved the falsesness of false belief.
Wa`Alaaykum Salaam
Last edited by Ğħαrєєвαħ; 07-31-2010 at 05:31 PM.
"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
Can you please tell me which day is being referred to?
Near the end of the prophet muhammads (pbuh) life when the verse was revealed.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Yes it is - which is the sumbission to the will of God on God's terms and not our own.
Yes, authoritarianism turned into a religion. Obedience to power (ultimate power) equated with "good". Obedience equated with "good" is not unique to Islam though. It is a theme running all through each of the abrahamic religions. The bible is story after story of obedience tests, and in more than one case obedience goes up against what we would otherwise perceive as good and obedience is always the "right" choice. Abraham is ready to kill his child (very wrong in any other setting) on command. The first of the ten commandments and half of the others are about obeying. Adam and Eve are forbidden the fruit of knowledge of good and evil - and that they disobey is how original sin is born. Before they ate of this fruit though they obviously had no concept of good and evil so they couldn't have known if it is good to obey God. There are a dozen other stories that make the same point.
Is Hinduism this way? Do hindus equate obedience with morality?
Last edited by Pygoscelis; 07-31-2010 at 05:37 PM.
Yes, authoritarianism turned into a religion. Obedience to power (ultimate power) equated with "good".
what do you mean eqauted whith "good"???
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Near the end of the prophet muhammads (pbuh) life when the verse was revealed.
Muslim Woman in post no. 3 refers to a verse by Jacob wherein Jacob talks about the true religion. Obviously, this religion which was given to Jacob was not perfect yet because that had to await Mohammad's life time. Please throw light on this.
"If you have two loaves of bread, sell one to buy hyacinths, for they will feed your soul." Mohammad
Muslim Woman in post no. 3 refers to a verse by Jacob wherein Jacob talks about the true religion. Obviously, this religion which was given to Jacob was not perfect yet because that had to await Mohammad's life time. Please throw light on this.
That verse talking about the time of Jacob (pbuh) is for the people at the time of Jacob (pbuh) - the perfect your religion verse is talking to the last muslim Ummah in the time of the prophet (pbuh) until the end of time. The religion of Jacob pbuh and prophet Muhammad pbuh is the same which is submission to the will of God.
Last edited by Zafran; 07-31-2010 at 05:46 PM.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Is Hinduism this way? Do hindus equate obedience with morality?
Whatever specific Hindu religions may teach about obedience, there has always been an overriding tradition in Hinduism giving individuals the freedom to set one's own path towards one's goal. The only condition was that such a path should not cause Adharma or disharmony in society. Since sometimes the definition of Dharma gets blurred, the standing promise in some Hindu religions is that God would intervene to set things right. Some religions in Hinduism do not believe in a creator God, so the question of obedience to an external religious authority or proving of loyalty etc. does not arise for them.
I would here warn you (not in an authoritarian way!) that any question about Hinduism could often elicit many and contradictory answers. They say what is true in Hinduism, the opposite is also true. Maybe Hinduism has come to be this way because it is an exceedingly ancient religious tradition. Morality has the highest value in Hinduism, but such morality may not be based on temporal values but on the eternal verities.
Last edited by K.Venugopal; 07-31-2010 at 06:17 PM.
I mean exactly that, equated with good. Obedience to God's commandments is thought of as good. It is inconceivable in this framework that God could do or wish something evil because God's word and wishes are equated with good, and obedience to this is thus also equated with good.
Morality in the context of Islam, Christianity or Judaism is based on submission and obedience to God (the ultimate authority figure).
As it is polytheistic, I'm wondering if the above is also the case within Hinduism. Is the Hindu sense of morality separate from obedience to Hindu gods? Would a Hindu say a Hindu God could wish or do evil?
Edited to add: Venugopal posted the above post as I was writing this one and it answers this one to some degree.
Last edited by Pygoscelis; 07-31-2010 at 06:16 PM.
Would a Hindu say a Hindu God could wish or do evil?
Hindus seeing things at the dual level, like all dual religions, would see no wrong in their Gods. A seemingly evil act of God, they would say, would get reconciled in the long term as events unfold. Hindus with a non-dual understanding see the oneness of existence and would tend to say that good and evil is a dichotomy caused by a fragmented mind. When the mind becomes wholesome, they say, one becomes free of all dichotomies and perfection ensues.
"If you have two loaves of bread, sell one to buy hyacinths, for they will feed your soul." Mohammad
In hinduism...when will a human need to face his judgement and when will he/she be rewarded or punished ...by God....???when does an individual's (human/soul) chapter close??
To the best of my understanding, Hinduism does not talk about a scenario like described in Last Judgement of the Abrahamic religions. Instead it talks about the law of Karma, which is the principle of cause and effect - as you sow, so you shall reap. The result of our actions may be immediate, over a period of time in the same lifetime or over many lifetimes. Individuals like you and me are identified through our body. But the essence of both of us, called souls, are essentially one but keep appearing in different forms on account of the law of karma. When one frees oneself from the chain of karma, then one becomes free, no longer needing to be embodied in this phase of the drama of life. But the drama of life goes on eternally and perchance we may embody again, when the whole cycle of the current drama, lasting aeons, end and start again. Please do not ask me to give data of these - only the scholars would know and I am no scholar.
"If you have two loaves of bread, sell one to buy hyacinths, for they will feed your soul." Mohammad
Why is PBUH always said when Mohammad's name is mentioned?
Peace be upon him is a phrase that practising Muslims say after saying (or hearing) the name of a prophet of Islam.
In the translation of the meanings of the Qur'an in Surah 33 entitled Al-Ahzab (The Confederates), ayah (verse) 56:
33:56. Allâh sends His Salât (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad SAW) and also His angels too (ask Allâh to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salât on (ask Allâh to bless) him (Muhammad SAW), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islâmic way of greeting (salutation i.e. As Salâmu 'Alaikum).
There is a blessing in trials...
...they are a means of purifying you, so you can go to the most purest place: Jannah
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