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    List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion (OP)


    I do not wish to offend anyone, this is purely my personal opinion and I hope this will benefit others to decide:

    1. Catholic was founded by HUMAN - the word christian or catholic will never be found in bible as well as the word "BIBLE" itself
    2. Bible is not (purely) words of God, it is from the word BIBLIA that confirms it is collection of (hundreds) of books, which means it is the words of the authors.
    God or the prophets were not directly talking to each other. Also the same book has been revised countless times
    3. There is Only ONE GOD - this is first 4 out of 10 Commandments of God
    4. Countless verses in Bible confirms there is only One God
    5. Sex occurs frequently in the bible - this is far attributable to the WORD OF GOD


    JESUS in BIBLE:
    1. He is not God - if he is God becoz he dont have a father, the right goes more to Adam & Eve whom were created from nothing
    2. He didnt die: Bible confirm he was hangry and looking for food (John)
    3. He fast, ate, circumsized, sad, upset, chased, hangry, tired, like all human
    4. He was praying (the way Muslim prays today)
    5. He confirms that the biggest sin a man can commit is believing in Multiple gods

    Whereas everyone blv JESUS Died, so if he died, who was God - taking care of this world when he was dead
    I dont think that those of Jesus statues is Jesus for real when there was no camera/video etc to support it.

    I have like 13pages earlier but I shortlisted the things I could remember for now.

    Just sharing, SALAM

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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

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    format_quote Originally Posted by May Ayob View Post
    Salaam Peace be to you Bro,
    sorry i didnt reply to the first post.
    Honestly none of your posts seem or occur like you are seeking attention but it seems that you are alost person that is trying to find their way in this life , i think many people understand , this is something normal. Please dont have this opinion about yourself or others because many people here actually care and are willing to help you with the knowledge that God has gifted them with. No need to apologize

    I hope you find true happiness and inner peace and i hope God guides you to that which is best.

    I think sister Flame has very good advice i'd work by it myself.
    Yes and it is good that you also want to have a direct relationship with God almighty nothing can give you more inner relief than that.

    I hope this helps.
    I appreciate that. I was re-reading some of my posts over the last few days and it looked to me like I was trying to seek attention and sympathy, and I don't want to be like that. I used to be like that and I don't want to go back down that road. I know other people out there have far worse problems than my own unhappiness, so I had to take a step back and re-evaluate myself. So I am just waiting for God to lead me in the right direction, and I figure the rest of the stuff I can worry about later. I need to find a comfortable place first, where I feel welcome and feel like I belong. Maybe that will be Christianity and maybe it will be Islam. But it is not for me to decide.
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    To make it short, my main issues with Christianity are Jesus and the Trinity. My main issues with Islam so far (I am still finding out about Islam) are dogs and alcohol.
    Hi Pre-Brother
    Pls do u allow me to say my opinion: my understanding for ur comments is that:
    Your problem with Christianity is from the Faith side, because it is just in the core of the faith so there is no way that the Christian will change it to match u.
    While ur problem with Islam is from your side, because u have some weakness against alcohol. The dogs is not a big problem as u think. If it was a priority Allah will mentioned it in the Holy Quran.
    As a solution, u can always pray in a different room away from the dogs, and if u have a garden, then it will much easer. Many Muslims, specially the one who live in farm suburbs have dogs as guards.

    Allah bless u and keep the Satan away from u inshallah. Amen.

    BRMM
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by brmm View Post
    Hi Pre-Brother
    Pls do u allow me to say my opinion: my understanding for ur comments is that:
    Your problem with Christianity is from the Faith side, because it is just in the core of the faith so there is no way that the Christian will change it to match u.
    While ur problem with Islam is from your side, because u have some weakness against alcohol. The dogs is not a big problem as u think. If it was a priority Allah will mentioned it in the Holy Quran.
    As a solution, u can always pray in a different room away from the dogs, and if u have a garden, then it will much easer. Many Muslims, specially the one who live in farm suburbs have dogs as guards.

    Allah bless u and keep the Satan away from u inshallah. Amen.

    BRMM
    replied beautifully, i wish i can reply like this one day
    i mean im not a writer so i think i cant deliver my words the way it should be

    salam
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    format_quote Originally Posted by andrea17 View Post
    replied beautifully, i wish i can reply like this one day
    i mean im not a writer so i think i cant deliver my words the way it should be

    salam
    Allah bless u sister inshallah, who said I am better than u ?!
    When u pray, ask Allah Sobhanaho to give u the wisdom.
    Q02:269"He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding."
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    format_quote Originally Posted by brmm View Post
    Allah bless u sister inshallah, who said I am better than u ?!
    When u pray, ask Allah Sobhanaho to give u the wisdom.
    Q02:269"He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding."
    Salam & shokran for the inspiration
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by brmm View Post
    Hi Pre-Brother
    Pls do u allow me to say my opinion: my understanding for ur comments is that:
    Your problem with Christianity is from the Faith side, because it is just in the core of the faith so there is no way that the Christian will change it to match u.
    While ur problem with Islam is from your side, because u have some weakness against alcohol. The dogs is not a big problem as u think. If it was a priority Allah will mentioned it in the Holy Quran.
    As a solution, u can always pray in a different room away from the dogs, and if u have a garden, then it will much easer. Many Muslims, specially the one who live in farm suburbs have dogs as guards.

    Allah bless u and keep the Satan away from u inshallah. Amen.

    BRMM
    Well I'm not worried about that part right now. I figure God will lead me to where He wants me to be. I was worrying about trivial things too much and not really focusing on God as much as I should have been. So now I will wait and see where He leads me. It may take a while before I find the place where I am comfortable and feel like I belong. But I will get there one day, inshallah.
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Well I'm not worried about that part right now. I figure God will lead me to where He wants me to be. I was worrying about trivial things too much and not really focusing on God as much as I should have been. So now I will wait and see where He leads me. It may take a while before I find the place where I am comfortable and feel like I belong. But I will get there one day, inshallah.
    wow i love it!!! u used the word inshallah!!!!
    wow im inspired
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    format_quote Originally Posted by andrea17 View Post
    wow i love it!!! u used the word inshallah!!!!
    wow im inspired
    Yeah, I've been picking up some Arabic words and phrases here and there that I am trying to incorporate into my normal vocabulary. Hopefully to replace all of those curse words I am fond of letting loose.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Yeah, I've been picking up some Arabic words and phrases here and there that I am trying to incorporate into my normal vocabulary. Hopefully to replace all of those curse words I am fond of letting loose.
    inshallah, ill pray for that
    that would be a healthy step
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    Well you know brother you never know where this world takes you , really you might be an atheist now and turn out to be somethings totally different in the future , but hopefully something good.
    This is true and applies to all of us. Perhaps years form now you will be the atheist and I will be the muslim lol
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless View Post
    Why is fear hypocritical but love isn't? People are fearful of doing badly in exams because of the bad consequences of that, does this make them insincere? :S Fear of God isn't even something you should disagree about since it's mentioned many times in the bible too. If God thought fear was immoral why would He tell you to fear him?
    Love is never hypocritical, it is lust/love which is hypocritical. The kind of love which is associatedwith fear is not pure love but lust. Lust goes hand in hand with violence and deceit and need. But love goes with peace and sincerity and contentement.
    Fear of doing bad in exam can lead to cheating. But love of knowledge and truth, will not.
    The Holiness of God despise corrupt things like deceit. It is fear to offend God's goodness, not fear of punishement. Morality is love of goodness, truth, and beauty. Immorality is disrespect of goodness, truth, and beauty.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by andrea17 View Post
    inshallah, ill pray for that
    that would be a healthy step
    Thank you.

    Actually I was inspired in this by a video I saw on Qu'ran Weekly channel at YouTube last night. Nouman Ali Khan was talking about your words and how speech is the greatest gift from Allah and how we should not taint that by usng ugly speech. There is a similar lesson in the Bible in Proverbs (and one in the New Testament, but yeah). Even though I am not a Muslim (yet), it still is a good principle to live by. I will admit that I have become overly fond of cursing over the years. I could make sailors blush. It is one thing (of many) that I am trying to work on...
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis View Post
    Why is that relevant?

    I am suprised that after you being here so long how limited your knowledge still is on Islam. The relevance of the points she makes hold weight.

    1. Muslims believe that God did reveal the Bible, but it was changed/altered by man. So if in the Bible you find similarities such as (the way Muslims pray) and you see Muslims pray in such a way, theres definitly something to take into consideration in that. Especially when Christians do not pray in similar fashion. She's just trying to point out Christianities flaws and why Islam makes more sense to her, valid points all of them.

    Just thought i'd point that out, my best advice to you would be to try and humble yourself more so you can understand Islam better.
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Thank you.

    Actually I was inspired in this by a video I saw on Qu'ran Weekly channel at YouTube last night. Nouman Ali Khan was talking about your words and how speech is the greatest gift from Allah and how we should not taint that by usng ugly speech. There is a similar lesson in the Bible in Proverbs (and one in the New Testament, but yeah). Even though I am not a Muslim (yet), it still is a good principle to live by. I will admit that I have become overly fond of cursing over the years. I could make sailors blush. It is one thing (of many) that I am trying to work on...
    There are many changes in me since i become Muslim
    i become more humble
    i live more simple
    i do not care what others think about me (i mean i am responsible but u cant expct everyone to like u)
    i appreciate my life better than before
    i pity ignorant people - bcoz i know they are lack of guidance /knowledge (b4 i hate them)
    little did i know everything else followed
    mood swings, bad temper etc

    so what i mean is that, the changes Islam did to my life is something i didnt plan. it happend bcoz there is better understanding about everything
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Love is never hypocritical, it is lust/love which is hypocritical. The kind of love which is associatedwith fear is not pure love but lust.
    This is only opinion. I could just as easily say the kind of love which isn't associated with fear is not pure love, but ignorance.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Fear of doing bad in exam can lead to cheating.
    Usually it leads to people revising.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    The Holiness of God despise corrupt things like deceit.
    As I mentioned; the bible also says to fear God. How would you explain this if fear is deceit?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless View Post
    This is only opinion. I could just as easily say the kind of love which isn't associated with fear is not pure love, but ignorance.



    Usually it leads to people revising.



    As I mentioned; the bible also says to fear God. How would you explain this if fear is deceit?
    You can make a book say whatever you want, no so for God though
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    You can make a book say whatever you want, no so for God though
    You must be the only Christian I know who doesn't follow the bible then (your profile says Christian).

    edit: I was going to try and find some quotes but it looks like someone has done it for me: http://www.feargod.net/verses.php
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    Christianity is not about following the Bible, you can't follow a book. It is about following Christ.
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    Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    It is about following Christ.

    christ said to worship god, not worship Jesus..

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Christianity is not about following the Bible, you can't follow a book. It is about following Christ.
    How do you follow Christ? Other than the bible what record of his words/actions do Christians have?
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