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    Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system and why it is better then Socialism/Communism or Marxism I know that the economic system of Islam is not Capitalism but why is it better then Marxism ?

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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Zuzubu View Post
    Islam allows slavery, but in the manner that they are captures of war only, and that u can marry them (the women) or use them for intercourse if they agree. But u should treat them well with respect, so if there is pizza in the house, u should give them too. Cuz u know that they like pizza!! =)

    The prophet made deals with slaves and told them if they earned enough money, or they taucht enough kids to read, he would free them.
    There is a misconception about using slaves for intercourse. Intercourse is forbidden out side of marriage. It is permissible to marry a slave, if she/he meets the criteria for marriage. At one time a temporary marriage was permitted when spouses would be separated for long periods of time because of war or other disasters. Essentially all of the requirements had to be met and the obligations of being married were the same except the marriage could be terminated after conditions returned to normal. The conditions that allowed this type marriage have not existed for for a very long time and in today's world it is doubtful they would exist anyplace.
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    There is a misconception about using slaves for intercourse. Intercourse is forbidden out side of marriage. It is permissible to marry a slave, if she/he meets the criteria for marriage. At one time a temporary marriage was permitted when spouses would be separated for long periods of time because of war or other disasters. Essentially all of the requirements had to be met and the obligations of being married were the same except the marriage could be terminated after conditions returned to normal. The conditions that allowed this type marriage have not existed for for a very long time and in today's world it is doubtful they would exist anyplace.


    I think it is called Mut'ah marriage? I heard the Muslim soldiers even considered castration... So this temporary marriage was introduced.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong. I sometimes confuse Mut'ah and Misyeer marriage.
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

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    I think it is called Mut'ah marriage? I heard the Muslim soldiers even considered castration... So this temporary marriage was introduced.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong. I sometimes confuse Mut'ah and Misyeer marriage.
    You are correct, that was a Mut'ah marriage. but the conditions that called for it, no longer exist so it is very doubtful there could be a legal Mut'ah marriage in today's world.
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    ^ I know in Iran Mut'ah marriage is common. Shia religious clerics support it.

    I heard it is common in Bahrain too.
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    Peace,

    The Quran 100% encourages to free slaves, the Prophet said it is one of the "best of deeds" to free a slave. As you can imagine, Muslims would certainly do this in numbers. It was really easy to become free in those days, if your owner even slapped you around the face (without justified reason) he had to free you. Slaves could buy their freedom back aswell. Not only this, but the owner had to make sure that if the Slave became free that he/she was able to support themselves, so they would give them money etc. No point in freeing a slave if their going to die later from hunger or get captured again right?

    Slaves were to be treated as family, Owners were forbidden to hit them and told to not give them work "beyond their capacity" and if you did, then you yourself should help them. So many Hadiths support this. Anyone living 1400 years ago anywhere in the world would rather be the slave of a Muslim than anyone else.

    Slavery 1400 years ago was important in Islam. Firstly, during war the losing side would have many orphans, widows and people without any means to support themselves. They would likely suffer and die off if they weren't taken in as slaves, treated as FAMILY, have many opportunities to become free and even eventually be able to support themselves, not a bad deal don't you think? Another reason why Slavery was important back then was, if the enemy captured the slaves, they would force them to fight/go against the Muslims (which obviously doesn't help in the cause of spreading Islam).

    Scholars estimate around 300,000 slaves were freed during the time of the Prophet(pbuh). If people had continue'd to follow the teachings of the Prophet(pbuh) after he had passed away, slavery would've been abolished much sooner in Islam than it originally did.

    This topic is a broad one, people misunderstand it alot sadly, if you take some time into doing some real good research into this you'll understand it better.

    1- Both financial and social security. When their country or tribe lost the war, they also lost most or all of their money as war booty. Being out of money and food, it becomes necessary for an individual to find the means for basic survival in life. Living as a slave would provide this.
    2- Protection from hostile individuals. Even under the Islamic rule, you can still find hostile individuals who violate the Law and take matters into their own hands. An enemy family can be sometime in danger if they don't have a "protector".
    3- Widows, Orphans, and the extremely poor of the enemy side need the financial and social protection from a Master. Back then, there were no governments with good social system that protects everyone. Slavery back then was that social system in special cases.

    Read more about what I said here - http://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    Castration is haram, isn't it?
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    Well, quran indeed tells us that we can seek pleasure in those female slaves whom our right hand posses (slaves)
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    In Islam, we recognise there is Slavery. Except Slaves have rights and can even buy their own freedom.


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    Re: I have heard some Atheists and Evolutionists say that the similarities between hu

    Us humans are more similar to Pigs in DNA than we are to monkeys



    Reseachers study human, pig genomes


    URBANA, Ill. (AP) — While it's easy to see that pigs and humans are very different, beneath the skin are striking similarities, researchers at the University of Illinois are finding.

    The researchers say their work comparing the two species' genomes, or DNA maps, eventually could give medical researchers information they need to develop treatments for clogged arteries, cancer or other human diseases.

    "When we look at the DNA sequence, we're a lot alike," said Jonathan Beever, an animal geneticist at the university's Urbana-Champaign campus who spent nearly two years compiling the genome comparison with UI colleague Lawrence Schook and graduate student Stacey Meyers. "The pig is just a spectacular model for humans."
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    A genome is the complete set of genetic instructions for making an organism — a master plan of sorts. The components of that plan, genes, are carried on DNA molecules that organize themselves into chromosomes, according to a primer on genetics published by the Human Genome Project.

    A side-by-side comparison shows at least 173 places on pig and human chromosomes where the genes match, Beever said.

    It is not unusual for mammals to have identical genes. But the same gene might work with other genes to control something very different in a pig than in a human, and learning where each gene lies on the genome should help determine what role it plays in the animal's makeup, Schook said.
    The new comparative map gets researchers closer to that goal, he said, comparing the progress to reading a book.

    "If you look at where we've been before, we were happy if we were breaking down into book chapters," he said. "Now we're getting to sentences. The next step is to go to words and letters."

    The map provides a starting point for researchers who, until now, have had to "hunt and peck" to find matching genes, said Gary Rohrer, a geneticist with the USDA's Meat Animal Research Center in Clay Center, Neb.
    "Rather than having to write the book, you can read the book and find the answer out," he said.


    Those answers could help researchers understand and treat diseases of both species because genetic diseases might look the same in a pig as in a human, Schook said.

    For instance, side-by-side comparison of a gene that predisposes a person to develop cardiovascular plaque would allow researchers to look at the variation that contributes to the disease and compare it to the same genetic sequence in the pig and test treatments, he said.

    "You can do radiation therapies and other treatments that are difficult to use in smaller animals," Schook said.
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    The next step, or getting to the "words and letters" described by Schook, is determining how genes line up on each DNA molecule in the swine genome, a process called sequencing. Schook and Beever hope to begin that work within six months, Schook said.

    Sequencing of the human genome was completed in 2003, and the first draft of the bovine, or cow, genome was finished last year.

    The swine genome sequencing project will be led from the University of Illinois working with the Sanger Institute, a genomic research center in England, Schook said.

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    Re: I have heard some Atheists and Evolutionists say that the similarities between hu

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    Us humans are more similar to Pigs in DNA than we are to monkeys

    This is yet another evidence from modern science that give support to Islam strict ban on consuming pig.
    Or as a muslim, we call it "hikmah"
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada - View Post
    In Islam, we recognise there is Slavery. Except Slaves have rights and can even buy their own freedom.
    An option that was open to both slaves in the Roman Empire and the pre Civil War slave-states in the US.
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    An option that was open to both slaves in the Roman Empire and the pre Civil War slave-states in the US.

    point being?
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    Re: What does Islam think of Slavery I know the Bible supports Slavery but I have hea

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    Sorry - duplicate post
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    Re: I have heard some Atheists and Evolutionists say that the similarities between hu

    format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    I have heard some Atheists and Evolutionists say that the similarities between humans and apes is proof of Evolution but similarities to me is just proof of common design designed by God there may be physical similarities and dna similarities between humans and apes but this could just be evidence of comon design or a common designer does anyone agree with me ?
    So do I. The existence of such similarities is compatible with both theses. Something of a strawman, though.. who are these 'evolutionists' supposedly suggesting similarities between species are 'proof' of evolution?



    format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada - View Post
    Us humans are more similar to Pigs in DNA than we are to monkeys
    Or not...... Do pigs share 98 per cent of human genes?

    Like it or not, we've all got a lot in common with pigs. We're omnivorous mammals that gain weight easily and are susceptible to the flu for starters.

    The sheer fact that pigs and humans are mammals means that we share some genes. But it is simplistic to put an actual figure on the amount of genetic material we have in common, says animal geneticist Professor Chris Moran from the University of Sydney's Faculty of Veterinary Science.

    "Making broad comparisons by saying … 98 per cent of [human] genes are similar to a chimpanzee or whatever else … tend to be a little bit misleading," says Moran.

    The amount of genetic material we share with other species depends upon what you compare.

    All living organisms have genetic information encoded in deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), divided into units called genes. Information is transferred from the genes via a chemical called ribonucleic acid (RNA). Some RNA is translated into chains of amino-acid that make up proteins, the building blocks of every living cell.

    Scientists have discovered about 20,000 mammalian genes that encode proteins with similar basic functions. So if you compare the protein-encoding portion of our DNA we have a lot in common with a lot of mammals.

    "Mammals have most of the same genes for similar biochemical and physiological functions. If you look at the details of the genes … there'll be differences between them, but they'll still be doing the same kind of function," says Moran.

    "It's a little bit like having a Ford or a Holden — it's still obviously a car but a slightly different version."

    But while 20,000 similar genes sounds like a lot, only one to two per cent of our DNA actually encodes proteins. Most of the rest is transcribed into RNA.

    Some RNAs that don't carry the plans for proteins have important structural or functional roles in their own right. Transfer RNAs, for example, ferry specific amino acids into a growing protein, while ribosomal RNA constitutes part of the factories in cells that manufacture proteins.

    But we are only just beginning to understand what many other non-coding RNA molecules do. Some control higher level functions such as the expression of protein-encoding genes, and some have even been implicated in memory.


    Evolutionary differences

    Parts of the genome that don't encode proteins tend to evolve rapidly, so you can have significant regions of the genome where there's no discernible similarity between species, says Moran. This means many sequences will not line up when you compare genomes between species.

    And the further away two species are on the evolutionary tree, the greater the difference.


    "If we compare really closely related species, like a human and chimpanzee, we can still see the similarity between these rapidly changing sequences. If you move further away to the more distantly related pig, so many changes in the DNA will have occurred that it is no longer possible to recognise that the sequences were ever similar.

    "Depending upon what it is that you are comparing you can say 'Yes, there's a very high degree of similarity, for example between a human and a pig protein coding sequence', but if you compare rapidly evolving non-coding sequences from a similar location in the genome, you may not be able to recognise any similarity at all. This means that blanket comparisons of all DNA sequences between species are not very meaningful."
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    Re: I have heard some Atheists and Evolutionists say that the similarities between hu

    I agree with you too.
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    Re: I have heard some Atheists and Evolutionists say that the similarities between hu

    format_quote Originally Posted by selsebil View Post
    Dear Truthseeker,

    You're absolutely right that there is a common Designer.Most of the mammals have similar organs.But this is not a proof that they have the same origin.Here is an article by Scholar Fethullah Gulen about evolution.It's worth to read:

    " It would be difficult to find another theory which, like Darwinism, has been battered and defeated so many times, and yet the corpse of it revived artificially again and again. Some scientists still defend it to the hilt; others discredit it altogether, asserting that holding to it is sheer delusion. It seems that, in the academic scientific world, Darwinism will keep conference agendas busy for some time yet, and thousands more articles and books will be written on it, and the debates persist.

    The collapse of communism as an ideology and as a political force has made it more obvious than it was before that "East" and "West" was a geographical, not a cultural divide. It was and is right to think of the experiment in Russia and its former satellite states as a variation within Western culture, not an opposition to it. The strictly Western attitude to religion, derived from Rousseau and Renan, was to see it as a socially necessary myth, a delusion that provided a sort of cultural and social cohesion to collective life but which had no more basis in reality than do dreams. The strictly Eastern (Communist) attitude, founded upon explicit rejection of religion and explicit acceptance of materialism, naturally favored Darwinism (which entails the same rejection) and gave to it more deliberate and institutional support than in the West. But in the broader view, modern Western culture as a whole is closely predicated on the assumptions of Darwinism, and those who, in Muslim countries, wish to promote Western culture, continue, in universities and educational institutions generally, to pass off Darwinism as established scientific truth and, by implication, to represent religion as unscientific and false. Inevitably, some of this poison is effective on pliable young minds: many of them begin to believe (though far fewer continue to believe) that religion is not conformable to human reason, and that, as an explanation of the origin of species, Darwinism is still the best that independent human reason can do.

    I will not go into the details of the evolutionary hypothesis, but within the scope of brief question and answer, I will touch upon some of the major points.

    According to Darwin, life originated on earth from simple, single celled organisms giving rise to multi cellular organisms through a process of gradual change, along with random mutations, over millions of years. According to more developed forms of evolutionary theory, the foundation of all living things is amino acids within water, which later somehow got formed into single celled organisms, like the amoeba, and these organisms interacting with each other and the immediate environment over uncalculated billions of years, gradually or by sudden jumps evolved into the great variety of complex multi cellular animals. Then the invertebrates gave rise to aquatic vertebrates, i.e., fish, which evolved into amphibians which gave rise to reptiles; later, some reptiles evolved into birds, while others evolved into mammals culminating in the evolution of humankind.

    The hypothesis is typically argued on the basis of a few incomplete pieces of fossils, though, so far, the actual fossil record has failed to endorse that view. To our knowledge, no scientific hypothesis except this one was ever sustained on the basis of so many, and so important "missing links." What the scientists have discovered through observation proves the opposite of the evolutionary theory true: in spite of having many varieties, bacteria have not evolved into anything different and higher though they adapt very quickly; in whatever variety they exist, cockroaches and insects have been living as they are for almost 350 million years. Fruit flies have remained fruit flies for millions of years; arthropoda, sponges, and sea crabs today are exactly as found in fossils from rock formations formed 500 million years ago; snakes, lizards, mice, and many other species, have not evolved into any other different species; nor have horse's hooves or human feet evolved into something different. Man is, as we put it, exactly the same as he was created on the first day.

    There are no examples of the transitional organisms that the theory requires, such as, for example, an animal that has evolved its front legs partly (but not yet wholly) into wings in readiness for the transition to bird like flight. And, unsurprisingly, there is not even a theoretical explanation, given that such transitions are supposed to take thousands of generations to complete. How the partly evolved animal could survive in what kind of environment—lacking four "good" legs, and still not equipped with two good legs and a pair of wings.

    Many arguments give the erroneous example of the evolution of the horse from a small dog like mammal with five toes to the large modern horse with one toe or hoof. In fact, the evolutionists have no evidence for that claim. Nowhere in the world have they found a series of fossils to demonstrate such an evolutionary order. It remains entirely hypothetical, suppositional. They talk about an animal which lived in the past and claim that it was the ancestor of the modern horse; but they cannot establish any necessary connection between the modern horse and that animal: the only need for that connection is the need to illustrate the theory, which the illustration is supposed to establish. This is the very opposite of reliable scientific argument and procedure. We shall say that God created such an animal at that age which later on became extinct, and it no longer exists now. Why do we need to connect these two species? Even today horses of different sizes and breeds co exist in our age.

    Scientists found bees and honey from millions of years ago. The bee produced honey and the honeycomb in the same way as it does today, using the same geometrical measures, 100 million years ago. So, for that whole expanse of time neither the bee's brain and physiological structure nor the way it produces honey have changed.

    What of the evolution of humankind? It is especially badly argued and ill founded. Some scientist discovered some bones, or even just the tooth of an ape, and posited (that is, guessed) the rest—the body posture, flesh, skin, hair, features, etc., of the evolved "human."

    Piltdown Man is a good example to famous scientific hoaxes related with evolution. The supposed discovery near Piltdown, England, of an ape like fossil ancestral to modern humans, was reported in 1912. The discovery included fragments of what were later proved to be a modern human cranium and the jawbone of an ape. For many years the Pildown man fossil was a subject of anthropological controversy. In 1953, scientific analyses proved the fossil a forgery.

    Evolutionists used to mention the coelacanth, a fish abundant 400 million years ago, as a link between the fish and the land animals because of its limb like fins. It was theorized that the coelacanth lurched onto the land in search of food, staying there longer and longer until—about 70 million years ago—it disappeared from the fossil record. To their surprise, local fishermen caught several dozen coelacanths off the coast of Madagascar in 1938. The caught fish were exactly like their ancestors, perfectly adapted to their deep sea environment and showing no signs of evolution. The coelacanth has been quietly dropped by many text books from the list of evidences of evolution, because it became the symbol of the non evolution of organisms, rather than of their evolution.

    Evolutionists also claim that the organisms evolve through random mutations. While new cells are being formed, if the genetic code, normally identical in all the cells of an organism, is copied differently or mistakenly, mutations occur. Such a change, which is claimed to bear evolutionary fruit gradually over a long period, may be caused by a number of external agents, such as geography and climate, even planetary influences such as changes in the sun's or earth's rotation, or by radiation, chemical pollution, etc. The argument is that non lethal mutations which reproduce successfully (that is, adaptively to changes in immediate environment) function like sudden jumps in the progress of evolution and give rise to species variation.

    However, recent work in genetics and biochemistry has shown conclusively that mutations are all but always harmful, even lethal, the cause of many physiological disorders. In any case, they could not give rise to a magnitude of change of an order to generate a new species, to make a dog a horse, or an ape a human. For such an order of change to occur randomly and then to become successfully established would require a period of time many times in excess of the highest estimate for the age of the universe.

    For years, much research has been done on pigeons, dogs and flies. Though some physiological changes do occur within the same race of animals (there are different breeds of dog and pigeon, for example), such adaptive evolution within species is no evidence for evolution of species. All the extensive research done for years on Drosophila yielded nothing but Drosophila, and the research proved that Drosophila remains as it is.

    Hybrid varieties are obtained by artificially crossing two species, such as horse and donkey, but the resultant hybrid (mule) is typically sterile. After long research, scientists have recognized that it is not possible to progress from one species to another. There are some insurmountable, impassable, barriers between species. That conforms to ordinary sense, as well as to the known facts and to scientific reasoning. How could such a creature as human, who has an extraordinarily sophisticated brain and is capable of (in any and every stage of civilization) of linguistic and cultural expression, of religious belief and aspiration—how could such a creature have evolved from an ape? It is quite extraordinary that even to speculate that it might be so can be given serious consideration, let alone believed and accepted as conforming to reason!

    However, that acceptance of evolution is a major pillar of modern materialism, and of historical materialism in particular, as Marx and Engels insistently pointed out. It is a sort of blind faith, a prejudice, a superstition that the materialists cling to Darwinism of the crudest kind. They insist that absolutely everything be explained by material causes. As for what, by those limited means, they cannot explain, they dare not admit that they cannot explain it so. They can never allow that there must be a supra natural, metaphysical agency that intervenes to make the biological world as it is, so wonderfully abundant, prolific, diverse and, within stable forms, so marvelously adaptive and versatile in response to local environmental possibilities.

    The alternative to evolution is design which necessarily leads to the concept of a transcendent and unitary power, the Designer Creator, God. Therein lies the reason for the continuing tyranny of the Darwinist theory: the fear that to acknowledge the Creator will bring down the edifice of an autonomous science, an autonomous human reason. An individual scientist in his or her private capacity may be a believer, a theist, but science itself must be unbelieving, atheistic. It is ironic indeed that to preserve the illusion of independent human reason, the Darwinists (and materialists generally) will defy or ignore the facts, deny and belittle logic and reason. It is to the credit of the scientific community that, in ever greater numbers, individual scientists have found the courage to question and challenge the tyranny of Darwinism in the teaching of the life sciences.

    That said, it remains unfortunately true that, some young, pliable minds are vulnerable to the myth of Darwinism simply because it is the official dogma, the staple of all textbooks on the subject everywhere. How true and apt is the Turkish proverb—that a half wit can throw a pearl into a well with ease, and forty wise men struggle in vain to get it out again. Nonetheless, there is solace in the knowledge that a lie, however mightily supported, can have but a short life. The truth of the matter is that the origin of the species, and of the major divisions of species, is not yet understood. Is it too heavy a burden on humility to say: "We marvel, but we do not know"? And we marvel most at, and understand least of all, the origin of intelligent speech, ideation, abstraction, symbolization, culture, love of beauty and variety, consciousness, altruism, morality religion, and spiritual aspiration.

    To be sure, Darwin was a great and gifted scientist who must be credited with a mighty contribution to the ordering and classifying of species, and for his work on adaptation; but it should be noted that what he did well and incontrovertibly is to observe accurately and understood intelligently what was there in nature.

    Whatever his own intentions, in spite of them, his work, like every reliable advance in observation and explanation, confirms the Divine Architect, the All Mighty Power, Sustainer, Administrator, Who willed the marvelous organization, reliable, systematic, subtly integrated harmony of the operations of nature, and who combined that order with beauty. Whereas what Darwin found increases our faith in God, it led him astray.

    How great, sublime, is the Creator. Order, understanding, wisdom are by His gift. Likewise, guidance to faith is absolutely in His grasp."
    I see you are a Harun Yahya fan. Tell you what, much of those are more or less just some inaccurate conspiracy theories.
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    Point being that despite the froth the Islamic conception of slavery seems to be much like everybody else's.

    I forgot to add (to the Original poster):


    1 - AbdulLah bin 'Umar freed a slave of his then picked a twig from the ground and said:
    " I shall not receive for freeing him the worth of this in the Hereafter. I heard the Messenger of Allah say : ' If a man hits or beats his slave, his atonement is the freeing of that slave." Reported by Muslim and Abu Dawood.


    2 - Slaves can even be Kings/Rulers, such as the Mamluk Dynasty in Islamic history.

    3 - Many of the great scholars of Islamic history were either slaves, or freed slaves. Whom we respect very much.




    This shows that Islam has a high regard for such people, who would be our brothers in faith.








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    Point being that despite the froth the Islamic conception of slavery seems to be much like everybody else's.

    It isn't a froth' that anyone cared to establish.. the title and the replies are of the Islamic position on slavery.. perhaps it was itching you to steer the topic to where you can carry a lightsaber? Sometimes you can be quite entertaining!

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