truthseeker63's Corner in Comparative religion

**truthseeker63** · 01-30-2011

Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system and why it is better then Socialism/Communism or Marxism I know that the economic system of Islam is not Capitalism but why is it better then Marxism ?

**جوري** · 03-17-2012

yup.. you'll find the term probably goes back to the time of Yusuf PBUH:

12 43 1 - truthseeker63's Corner in Comparative religion

Waqala almaliku innee ara sabAAa baqaratin simanin yakuluhunna sabAAun AAijafun wasabAAa sunbulatin khudrin waokhara yabisatin ya ayyuha almalao aftoonee fee ruyaya in kuntum lilrruya taAAburoona

12:43 The king (of Egypt) said: "I do see (in a vision) seven fat kine, whom seven lean ones devour, and seven green ears of corn, and seven (others) withered. O ye chiefs! Expound to me my vision if it be that ye can interpret visions."

now look at ho you say the last word of the verse: taAAburoon

a term applied to those with vision and it's believed that, that is its origin..

and Allah swt knows best,

**truthseeker63** · 03-18-2012

Thank you.

**Abu.Yusuf** · 03-18-2012

4 Principles of the Economic System of Islaam

1. God is the owner of all wealth
2. Humans are trustee
[This makes us realise that we are responsible]

3. Hoarding wealth is forbidden
4. Distribution/circulation of wealth is obliged
[This would make sure rich do not exploit the poor]

Also, it is not allowed to monopolise natural resources [such as electricity, gas, oil, water]. These would be free of charge to its citizens [although there may be other charges]

Also, every person has the right to free food, clothing and shelter and each person would get what is suitable for him [and his family].

We do not tax people when they earn and spend. No interest based transaction. We deal with gold and silver - not fake IOU paper notes.

Theres lots to mention, but I cannot give a comparison answer - I dont know much about how communism works/worked. Maybe you can shed some light....

**truthseeker63** · 03-22-2012

Thanks for the post.

**truthseeker63** · 04-11-2012

Great posts.

**truthseeker63** · 04-11-2012

Thanks.

**Grace Seeker** · 05-21-2012

Originally Posted by truthseeker63

Hindus claim to believe in One God yet they are Polytheists what makes the Christian Trinity any better on this subject ?

One of the differences between Hindu understanding of God and the Christian understanding of God that causes us Christians to say that the Hindu understanding is polytheistic and ours is monotheistic, is that according to Hindu belief each avatar of the supposedly "one God" of Hinduism is itself a separate and independent divine being. This is not so in Christiatnity. In Christianity there is only one divine being. It matters not whether one is speaking of the Father, the Son, or the Spirit -- one is still speaking of the one and the same God in every instance. In Christianity, there is only one Avatar, Jesus, who is not a different divine presence from the One God, rather he is the incarnation of the One God. Jesus is NOT a "partner" or "associate" of God, to use a Quranic term. He is God.

**MustafaMc** · 05-22-2012

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

according to Hindu belief each avatar of the supposedly "one God" of Hinduism is itself a separate and independent divine being. This is not so in Christiatnity.

Is not the Father distinct from the Son as in Jesus praying to the Father and is not the Son separate from the Spirit as in the Son sending the Spirit?

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

Jesus is NOT a "partner" or "associate" of God, to use a Quranic term. He is God.

hmm "Jesus is God" and at the same time "the Father is God" and "the Spirit is God", but yet Jesus is not the Father and Jesus is not the Spirit and the Father is not the Spirit. Which brings to mind 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion...

**Grace Seeker** · 05-22-2012

Originally Posted by MustafaMc

Is not the Father distinct from the Son as in Jesus praying to the Father and is not the Son separate from the Spirit as in the Son sending the Spirit?

Indeed. I didn't say there were no distinctions. I said that in Christianity we did not understand those distinctions to be separate and independent divine beings. We do have three distinct persons, but just one divine being.

hmm "Jesus is God" and at the same time "the Father is God" and "the Spirit is God", but yet Jesus is not the Father and Jesus is not the Spirit and the Father is not the Spirit. Which brings to mind 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion...

And I understand that you find it confusing, but I don't. The person who coined the tern "trinity" was Tertullian, born 160 AD. When he coined the term, sometime around the turn of the centruy, Tertullian was not thinking of a purely static situation within God, the metaphysical Trinity, but of an economic, organic and dynamic tri-personality. His idea of unity is not mathematical but philosophical, an organic unity, not an abstract bare point; Father, Son and Spirit are disticnt persona for Tertullian (and the rest of us Christians) in the unitas substantia, one reality of God.

And it must also be remembered in the point I was making in the post above was not about proving or disproving the trinity, but to explain the difference between the polytheistic understanding of Hindu's claim to one God even has there are many divine beings and the monotheistic understanding that Christians have with regard to the one God who is one and only one being.

**Al-manar** · 05-22-2012

welcome back grace-seeker ,been a long time ,no see of your posts.... may be you were busy with life?

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

I said that in Christianity we did not understand those distinctions to be separate and independent divine beings. We do have three distinct persons, but just one divine being.

That is true..

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

And I understand that you find it confusing, but I don't.

but you know,so many other Christians (including scholars) ,noted the difficulty getting the concept into logic ...and had to confess that the matter is to be taken totally on pure faith .... many items of faith seems illogical to the human mind,why won't we include the trinity as well?
they follow a good rule (which I follow as well) , to know what God is and isn't ,instead of what God can be a can't be.....

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

And it must also be remembered in the point I was making in the post above was not about proving or disproving the trinity

That is true ,I think proving trinity (or proving that there is a God that is called Jehovah) necessarily require 2 steps : (1)proving the bible to be the inspired word of God (2) proving that the new testament teaches a triune God ......

on the other hand,If one had alternative definition of the persons of the trinity (partners that falsely believed to be aspects of one deity) ,one has to believe in the Quran as the inspired word of God...

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

but to explain the difference between the polytheistic understanding of Hindu's claim to one God even has there are many divine beings and the monotheistic understanding that Christians have with regard to the one God who is one and only one being.[/SIZE]

Islam views the christian and Hindu trinity differently as well ...Hindus believe in gods ,Christians believe in one true God,though they believe him as manifested in 3 aspects yet (according to Islam) they are associations ......

In other words the christian trinity, unlike the Hindu one,has one valid element ,Allah(the father) is thought to be divine.....

**MustafaMc** · 05-22-2012

Originally Posted by Al-manar

In other words the christian trinity, unlike the Hindu one,has one valid element ,Allah(the father) is thought to be divine.....

Assalamu alaikum, this is my understanding as well. The Quran makes it absolutely clear that Allah is not Jesus and Jesus is not Allah in direct opposition to GraceSeeker saying "Jesus ... is God". GraceSeeker may correct me if I am wrong, but Christians believe that Muslims (and Jews) have an incomplete concept of God by excluding Jesus as divine; whereas, Muslims believe that Christians ascribe partners with Allah (the Father) by saying that Jesus is the Son of God and at the same time God Incarnate. I find it extremely interesting that Jesus is mentioned more that 20 times in the Quran and in nearly every case his name is followed by the title, Son of Mary. This is in addition to the many instances where the Quran denies that Jesus was Allah or the Son of Allah. No Muslim can ever entertain the thought that the Christian concept of God can in any way be true and yet remain a Muslim.