We all argue that something cannot come from nothing when an atheist tries to prove his point you say god created us. But I am just curious how did nothing become into something which became god? I am not here to argue against anyones responses but just would like to hear people's opinions.
He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}] www.QuranicAudio.com www.Quran.com
Why do we have to assume the universe started with nothing?
Why is it illogical for something to come from nothing?
Also I believe the view is that God is 'beyond time' or timeless (just as much as He is incorporeal) so theres no sense in saying something became God - rather God is eternal.
Even "nothing" is something in terms of it being an "open space". Even if the universe is empty it still counts as an existence because its an "empty space". What I'm trying to say is that it still falls under the category of being an existing creation.
God is not in this realm of creation which carries the nature of something comes from something.
We get the problem of "Where God came from" because we place God in our realm of creation, which shouldn't be the case.
A similar problem would be to ask "If God can do anything, can He create a rock so heavy that even He can't lift it?"
It's a question that tries to remove the attributes of God from God under the illusion that in order to be All-powerful one has to be able to do "anything".
I should be able to explain what I'm trying to say better but I'm so tired and sleepy right now and beside a lot of the mates here have given good responses. It's good to learn . Goodnight!
Why do we have to assume the universe started with nothing?
Why is it illogical for something to come from nothing?
I also ask these questions. The universe could be eternal. It could have spun off from another universe that is eternal. As the wise person above said, "We Do Not Know". There is no shame in admitting the limits of your knowledge, that is actually a strength
A similar problem would be to ask "If God can do anything, can He create a rock so heavy that even He can't lift it?"
It's a question that tries to remove the attributes of God from God under the illusion that in order to be All-powerful one has to be able to do "anything".
It is a question that demonstrates incomprehensibility of infinity, using the example of infinite power. It directly pits his ability to create against his ability to lift, and if both are infinite then the question can never be answered.
I also ask these questions. The universe could be eternal. It could have spun off from another universe that is eternal. As the wise person above said, "We Do Not Know". There is no shame in admitting the limits of your knowledge, that is actually a strength
The key to wisdom is acknowledging your own ignorance.
I also ask these questions. The universe could be eternal. It could have spun off from another universe that is eternal.
It’s time for some sleepless nights trying to fathom out infinity, how many eternal universes do you want to go back, before you ask the question, where did the very first eternal universe come from?
Did it have no beginning, or did it come from nothing?
Where is that pesky invisible pink flying spaghetti monster when you need him / her?
In the spirit of searching
Eric
You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.
Either this universe is infinitely old, or whatever it stemmed from is, be that a God or a line of universes spawning one another. Anyway you slice it, you bump into the infinity puzzle.
Anyway you slice it, you bump into the infinity puzzle
It would be easier to understand if nothing existed, and of course that would mean that there would be no one to ask about those pesky infinity questions.
We are here and we demand an answer, I have come to the conclusion that eternity and infinity seem to defy logic.
From what I know, energy cannot be created, nor destroyed. For those who can accept this, it should not be difficult to accept that God cannot be created nor destroyed.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Why is it illogical for something to come from nothing?
How is it logical? I have been staring at this empty plate in front of me hoping it would sprout some filet mignon & shoestring fries how long do you propose I wait before that happens?
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Why do we have to assume the universe started with nothing?
Whatever you propose will in fact be a conjecture, leaving no atheist any room at absolute scientific evidence and even less room to mock other impressions of what the truth actually is.
"Happy the nation that knows the cry of praise! They will walk in the light of your presence, Lord,
and rejoice in your name all the day – for you are the splendour of their strength,
and by your good will our standard is held high." Ps.88
It directly pits his ability to create against his ability to lift, and if both are infinite then the question can never be answered.
Heavyness and lifting indicate opposing forces. So the question is whether he can do something against himself.
Now, if I keep to the definition that God means perfect, the answer is clearly No. There is no contradiction in perfection.
If there is contradictions or opposition, then there is no perfection.
"Happy the nation that knows the cry of praise! They will walk in the light of your presence, Lord,
and rejoice in your name all the day – for you are the splendour of their strength,
and by your good will our standard is held high." Ps.88
Heavyness and lifting indicate opposing forces. So the question is whether he can do something against himself.
Now, if I keep to the definition that God means perfect, the answer is clearly No. There is no contradiction in perfection.
If there is contradictions or opposition, then there is no perfection.
how can you scientifically explain Jesus (p.b.u.h) bringing dead to life? what is your scientific explanation for all the details that were revealed to the Prophet (s.a.w) 1400 years ago like the exact shape of the earth, the light of sun being it's own while that of moon being a reflected one, that the sun isnt stationary (which science discovered just recently!), that the salty water and the fresh water don't inter mingle when river grains into a sea and so many others when we all know that Muhammad (s.a.w) was illiterate plus at that time there were no advanced scientific tools to help him find out all this on his own!!? Just keep in consideration that we are talking about a time not just 100, 200 or 500 years ago, we are talking about 1400 years ago! how do you explain that?
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