Polytheism vs Monotheism or Monotheism vs Polytheism

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Agree but you still failed because yet you have sects of Christianity that come from "opinions". So your statement holds no weight. All the sects of Christianity and Sunni and Shia Islam come from "opinions" or "perceptions". If that wasn't so then there wouldn't be any sects or denominations

No my brother, sects are not personal opinions (if that were true, than you have had as many sects as people).
A Christian who belongs to certain denomination, has accepted that sect based on his knowledge and he found his own proofs to support his position. The same for Sunni, or Shia adherents. They based their beliefs upon sources and texts they believe it's the truth, that's what we call a creed. They did not pick that sect or that denomination out of personal opinion or personal taste.
Now it's possible that someones knowledge is limited or incorrect so he selected the wrong method, that's why there are a lot of religions and sects inside every religion like you said, but that's due to limited or incorrect reasoning/knowledge that these people learned or think it's correct, not because they all used personal opinions.

There are 2 reasons why people do wrong deeds or follow wrong methodologies :
- 1 - Because they intentionally followed their desires and their personal tastes.
- 2 - Because they followed what they thought it's the truth, but they had incorrect knowledge or way of thinking.

The first type of persons are not numerous, but they are hard to guide or convince, because they don't follow reason, they follow their desires and arrogance.
The second type is the most frequent and abundant, and this type of people can be guided if they are corrected and properly convinced.

I wish you a good luck in your journey to spiritual enlightenment.

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Agree but you still failed because yet you have sects of Christianity that come from "opinions". So your statement holds no weight. All the sects of Christianity and Sunni and Shia Islam come from "opinions" or "perceptions". If that wasnt so then there wouldnt be any sects or denominations

The majority of Muslims 90% are ahel as'sunna wal'jama3a!
so I don't know what 'sects' you're speaking of as Islam doesn't recognize sectarianism. A ten percent who wish to split because they don't reason Islam or wish to reason Islam as they perceive rather than what is revealed is their problem not ours. The ummah is nowhere near divided like Christianity. That's just what you personally wish to believe to add to your own confusion. And that's unfortunate as stated prior if people are sincere they'll find what they're looking for and what they're looking for is usually unadulterated not peppered with all sort of convoluted nonsense which has no basis in the Quran and Sunnah. (both are very well preserved) so actually merely reading the Quran should render any shiite a Sunni..
It is their choice though as it is yours!
Don't get me wrong, I am rather glad you're not Muslim...

best,

format_quote Originally Posted by Aisha

Please stay on topic and keep posts clean. I'm getting rather tired of all the off-topic posts that seem to be increasing all over the forum. Keep at it and you're heading towards infractions.

JazaakiAllah khayran sister. I think we all need a reminder that this is a serious forum, where the humour is restricted by and large to the puzzles and humour section, posts must be kept on topic, and when members of the opposite gender must be addressed, it must be done with propriety.

I also think, that with statements like these:

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

So at heart all people naturally believe in 1 god like myself.... I believe in 1 god that the prophets of the bible spoke of but still I am not a Christian nor Muslim.

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Now I am a polytheist so I accept and believe in many faiths and deities.

this thread won't actually get anywhere, or serve any purpose, at the very least until you are clear in your own mind what you believe in and why.

Faith is a serious matter, but one shouldn't change it at the drop of a hat, being swayed to one by some fanciful notion, then being swayed to the opposite side by another fanciful notion, neither here nor there. It should be consistent, based on sound reason, unchanged scriptures, and should be what has always been since the beginning of time, since the creation of the first human being.

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Polytheism has been around almost as long as monotheism I may add, and people have instinctively in history created polytheistic systems as opposed to monotheism.

It is interesting to note that Adam and Eve (peace be upon them both) as described in any of the three Abrahamic faiths, were tempted by Satan to go against what God had told them, not against what the gods had told them, because there were no gods, only ONE God, as there always has been, always was, and always will be. The notion of polytheism was a later invention by people. The fact that the notion existed, having been created by those who forgot or rebelled against God's teachings, does not make it in any way correct.

And Adam's brothers in prophethood, all the way throughout, and right down to the final messenger Muhammad (peace be upon them all) all preached this same message: to submit wholeheartedly to the will of God and to worship Him and Him alone, without any associates in, or parts to, His Divinity, and to obey the prophet. Thus, Islam is not a new faith but is the same Ultimate Truth that God revealed to all prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them). Since the time of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), that message is available unchanged and unadulterated. He is the last, not first, prophet of Islam; a messenger to all mankind, to be followed until the end of time.

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Because everyones opinions will differ thus creating a different god.

I believe it is just Hinduism where the belief is that god becomes whatever the devotee wants him to be. In Islam God does not depend on what we think of Him, He is what He is, Glorified and Exalted be His Tremendous Majesty above that.

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

I accept defeat by your answer but you wont beat me next time brother

I am not sure we should be posting with this frame of mind, the aim is not to beat people or cause their defeat, but to learn, and I hope you will learn.

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

I am no Hindu, and many Hindu's worship one god. Brahman, look at the eastern Asian sects. Brahman being the supreme being is what some various Hindu's worship in Thailand and Malaysia. Also they do not make cows god since in the Vedas cows WERE KILLED and EATEN. That is yet again another sect of Sanatana Dharma like Jainism. Not all Hindu's are pantheist who think everything is god(not gods). You have ones like me who believe everything is "within god" which is called Panentheism. Quite a big difference and even the Bible is panentheistic.

God says in the HOly Quran: there is nothing like Him.

what God is or What He is like is not something we humans are supposed to think of because we can't know or understand. and we can't depend on our human thinking to understand. We are simply to believe that God exists and we have to believe in all His qualities that are mentioned in the Quran or hadith without envisioning them or giving explanations/description to.

There are many beautiful verses on God Allah in the Holy Quran. why don't you read them?

format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah

I believe it is just Hinduism where the belief is that god becomes whatever the devotee wants him to be. In Islam God does not depend on what we think of Him, He is what He is, Glorified and Exalted be His Tremendous Majesty above that.

You people always speak in absolute. I am not talking about Sanatana Dharma, not even remotely. I am talking about people and their instinctive nature to know there is a god. Islam is a perfect example of this regarding Makkah, people corrupted god into various idols and beings. So you proved my point as I am not talking about Hinduism at all. I am not a Hindu

format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah

this thread won't actually get anywhere, or serve any purpose, at the very least until you are clear in your own mind what you believe in and why.
Faith is a serious matter, but one shouldn't change it at the drop of a hat, being swayed to one by some fanciful notion, then being swayed to the opposite side by another fanciful notion, neither here nor there. It should be consistent, based on sound reason, unchanged scriptures, and should be what has always been since the beginning of time, since the creation of the first human being.

Anybody who is swayed from religion to religion is either confused or still seeking. I am not swaying from religion to religion I just dont have one at the moment, so I still consider myself a Christian. I am not a Hindu, Muslim, Sikh nor Pagan. I have made it clear that I am an Eclectic. And my views have never changed at all or else I wouldnt have a set list of beliefs. I also follow what has been set from the beginning for quite a while now.

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Anybody who is swayed from religion to religion is either confused or still seeking. I am not swaying from religion to religion I just dont have one at the moment, so I still consider myself a Christian. I am not a Hindu, Muslim, Sikh nor Pagan.

Which is what it seems like from your posts, and i am not 'assuming' this, it also states under your nick 'Orthodox paganist. Anyway, you asked a few questions, and you are bound to receive a response in accordance to Islaam. Whether you agree or not, this is entirely your decision, nobody is forcing anything upon you, rather they are explaining their belief to you..

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

As I noticed لميس presence on this forum I also know she inspires hate. She can say what she likes but I am very clear about my philosophies so please avoid her. Never deal in the company or words of liars like لميس

Please, if you dislike a post feel free to report it, but do not sit here and call a member a liar. Also, from what i've read of the sister's posts she has not lied, please be careful with your words!

Subhaan'Allaah!

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Politically the Ummah is divided I am aware although religiously I know they arent as bad as Christians. But Shia and Sunni are still sects which makes it a division regardless which is my point. You create confusion while i create clarity. You lie and you are living proof That Islam like anything else can be made evil. I am sick of this forum and people like you. I wish well in life although I know you cannot obtain it. I have dealt with people like you (my own mother) .
Your angry because I left Islam simply because I did not like it nor fully believed it. Get over it, we dont always win our way. I surely dont. Your just a child who trolls online for your own amusement.

1-You don't know anything about the Ummah and thus ask you to refrain from dropping your opinion as if authoritative.
2- Sunnah can't be a sect. In fact shia by the very root of the word means faction. Thus there has to be a main group and another splitting off it to be rendered as such. Both can't be called sects which is another reason why you shouldn't speak of matters of which you've no knowledge.
3- You do nothing for a forum except make it descend down to the acrobatics of a jester and you disrespect the sisters and in fact read nothing of what is being offered you to help you though your very confused very sad ideologies.
4- And I can't stress enough how glad I am that you're not a Muslim and never were, you're a liability not an asset and think you're best suited for something like Scientology if you can afford their membership fees.


Again good luck with all that..

best,

format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash

Politically the Ummah is divided I am aware although religiously I know they arent as bad as Christians. But Shia and Sunni are still sects which makes it a division regardless which is my point. You create confusion while i create clarity. You lie and you are living proof That Islam like anything else can be made evil. I am sick of this forum and people like you. I wish well in life although I know you cannot obtain it. I have dealt with people like you (my own mother) .
Your angry because I left Islam simply because I did not like it nor fully believed it. Get over it, we dont always win our way. I surely dont. Your just a child who trolls online for your own amusement.

Islaam teaches one thing, but follows do not adhere by it's teachings, are they then following it correctly? regardless of sect business, which have no relation to what Muhammad taught!

Islaam is sent for all of mankind, Islaam is perfect while it's followers are not, nor are us humans. Please do realize that.

The Qur'aan states:


Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.[Al Qur'aan 6:159]

format_quote Originally Posted by Ğħαrєєвαħ

Islaam teaches one thing, but follows do not adhere by it's teachings, are they then following it correctly? regardless of sect business, which have no relation to what Muhammad taught!

Islaam is sent for all of mankind, Islaam is perfect while it's followers are not, nor are us humans. Please do realize that.

The Qur'aan states:


Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.[Al Qur'aan 6:159]

I do realize human error and I have stated this many times. "People will find a way to corrupt something good" and when I said good I meant Islam.
If I do not believe in something it doesnt mean it is not good. I do not believe that ice cream is not fattening but regardless it would be good if it wasnt

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