2nd coming in christianity

bump-- need those passages please or am I to take his second coming as a borrowed belief from Muslims?!

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I'm not sure this will help you if you need something in a hurry - because it is a lot to read through.
(For additional information, Revelation describes a vision which Paul had - many Christians don't consider it to be an actual description of the End Times, but a poetic one)

http://www.openbible.info/topics/the...oming_of_jesus

Basic tenets:
Christians believe that Jesus will come again at a time unknown, and that he will sit in judgment of the living and the dead.

This might help too, although I have only glanced at it.
Be aware that Christians have differences in opinion as to whether we are already in the end times or not. I have heard Muslims ponder similar questions too.

http://www.christianbiblereference.o...condComing.htm

what specific verse speaks of him descending in Lud and killing the anti-christ? All what I have seen from what you provided speaks of the end not a second coming.

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there isn't any reference to where. peruse Revelation and the end of the Gospels. what are you really looking for? "end time" "Prophecies" are all over the place.

The Coming of the Kingdom of God

20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[c]

22 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23 People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24 For the Son of Man in his day[d] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

use this site to search. i use it:

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/...=all&bookset=4

ma salaama

format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor

what are you really looking for?

specific signs that Jesus is going to descend, kill the anti-christ etc. that is what I am looking for ..

you have to look for references to "the beast". the anti christ you can look up, but it isn't related to the end time. you're in for a surprise if you think everything is spelled in one place. Daniel and Revelation are similar, but different. try "the evil one" too. alot of end time stuff is implied and not concrete.

you can also look up Herbert W Armstrong. he has some interesting end time stuff. just overlook the stuff about him and his daughter.

i doubt there is a single kill the antichrist, but check "slay the dragon"

ma salaama

I have learned much from you in one post than I could with a day's worth of research

start Rev 12

13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

up through 19

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

and 20

The Thousand Years

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
The Judgment of Satan

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

ma salaama

I was gonna say, look at Revelations... you'll find yourself drawing some parallels to the hadeeths with it. Especially with relation to the beast of the Earth (Dhabbatul Ardh). The mark of the beast, on the forehead or hand etc, and a host of other prophecies, which align pretty much with Hadeeth also.

But no slaying of the anti-Christ in revelations.

clarification on Christian term antichrist

http://www.bible.ca/D-AntiChrist.htm

sometimes when I read christian stuff it depresses me so much. The other day I was looking for end of the world prophecies to do with Egypt and Syria and in all fairness I was looking for Islamic sites but so happens the first five pages were the usual tirade of course, quoting Isiah about the evils of the Egyptian Muslims etc. I got sick of that crap fast and started my search in Arabic. I appreciate how difficult this must be for converts to want to look for something and be bombarded by a truck load of crap until you no longer know what you're looking for.

i have a great course on Revelation. 12 hours. most of what people believe is in Revelation isn't actually in there. people cut and paste stuff from all over, assuming it all goes together. i know, WAS one of those folks...

That's why what you do here is so important.. It is the distillate of your studies plus something you understand better than any outsider looking in.

format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor

i have a great course on Revelation. 12 hours. most of what people believe is in Revelation isn't actually in there. people cut and paste stuff from all over, assuming it all goes together. i know, WAS one of those folks...

I agree that fathoming what Revelation is about and how to understand it (literal or figurative?) is nigh impossible.
I reckon that nobody can really know - but the worst are the people who claim they do ...

I would be quite interested to catch a glimpse at your course, Yusuf.
Can you send it via PM?

Ambrosia, did you get the answer you were looking for?

No it's vague and non specific.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

I was gonna say, look at Revelations... you'll find yourself drawing some parallels to the hadeeths with it. Especially with relation to the beast of the Earth (Dhabbatul Ardh). The mark of the beast, on the forehead or hand etc, and a host of other prophecies, which align pretty much with Hadeeth also.

That's interesting.
Which hadiths do you have in mind? Can you post a link?
It would be interesting to see the similarities between Revelation and hadiths.

format_quote Originally Posted by شَادِنُ

No it's vague and non specific.

What I meant was, did YusufNoor's posts help you with what you wanted to find out? I thought he did a good job in finding out what exactly you wanted to know and giving good information.

He did a good job what's disappointing is the content not his efforts!


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format_quote Originally Posted by شَادِنُ

He did a good job what's disappointing is the content not his efforts!

I'd be surprised if it made sense to you. After all, you are a Muslim and not a Christian.

Hopefully it's helped you gain a bit of understanding though.

I'm still interested in exploring the similarities between Revelations and hadiths, if anybody has any information.