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    Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews? (OP)


    As-salamu alaykum,

    Sorry to bump this thread, but if we're talking about "Preferences given to a certain community from a religious perspective", I have a question regarding Christianity.

    Why is it that god decided to come down on earth specifically for the Israel community? What makes that community more worthy of being in the presence of god than any other community in the history of mankind? Putting aside all the great Prophets of God, even Moses (PBUH) did not see God when he asked God to show himself.

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Ahmad H View Post
    Very well put. No one can see Allah in this life, and He is beyond everyone's grasp. Were he to come into this world and show Himself, the world would not survive because of His power.
    The Quran seems to talk a lot about paradise - its gardens, rivers, etc. Is there anything
    about seeing, living with, or worshipping God after death?

    You said that if God were to come into the world and show Himself, we would not survive
    because of His power. That makes sense. I see this event occurring with the non-
    believers at the Second Coming.

    But what if God came temporarily in a form where His glory was veiled?

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    format_quote Originally Posted by theplains View Post
    The Quran seems to talk a lot about paradise - its gardens, rivers, etc. Is there anything
    about seeing, living with, or worshipping God after death?
    Only the righteous see in paradise.



    format_quote Originally Posted by theplains View Post
    You said that if God were to come into the world and show Himself, we would not survive
    because of His power. That makes sense. I see this event occurring with the non-
    believers at the Second Coming.
    That's not the only reason but certainly try to picture the world
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    The earth here is so negligent it can't even be seen, smaller than an atom, and you're trying to place the one who created all of this into a tiny town in Beit Lehm and reduce him further to a meek ineffectual God who can't even keep his promise to self and not forsake self in a face of a couple of lousy humans?



    format_quote Originally Posted by theplains View Post
    But what if God came temporarily in a form where His glory was veiled?
    & what would be the point to that?
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    I will try to put together some passages from the early centuries Christian saints Gregory of Nyssa and(IV century) and Saint John Damascene (VIII century, an Arab saint who lived in the first century of Islam). You can see the respect with which they speak about God and about his incomprehensibility, but also you can say that God does not remain a distant unknown God:
    We, therefore, both know and confess that God is without beginning, without end, eternal and everlasting, uncreate, unchangeable, invariable, simple, uncompound, incorporeal, invisible, impalpable, uncircumscribed, infinite, incognisable, indefinable, incomprehensible, good, just, maker of all things created, almighty, all-ruling, all-surveying, of all overseer, sovereign, judge; and that God is One, that is to say, one essences (Saint John)
    The Deity cannot be expressed in words. And this is proved to us, not only by argument, but by the wisest and most ancient of the Hebrews, so far as they have given us reason for conjecture. For they appropriated certain characters to the honour of the Deity, and would not even allow the name of anything inferior to God to be written with the same letters as that of God, because to their minds it was improper that the Deity should even to that extent admit any of His creatures to a share with Himself. How then could they have admitted that the invisible and separate Nature can be explained by divisible words? For neither has any one yet breathed the whole air, nor has any mind entirely comprehended, or speech exhaustively contained the Being of God. But we sketch Him by His Attributes, and so obtain a certain faint and feeble and partial idea concerning Him, and our best Theologian is he who has, not indeed discovered the whole, for our present chain does not allow of our seeing the whole, but conceived of Him to a greater extent than another, and gathered in himself more of the Likeness or adumbration of the Truth, or whatever we may call it. (Or 30.17)

    The language of blending would later be condemned at Chalcedon, on the prompting of the Antiochenes, for seeming to compromise the transcendence of the Son’s divine nature. In Gregory’s usage, however, it helpfully conveys both the narrative movement of the incarnation and also the mysterious union between God and humanity in Jesus: first there was the eternal Son of God, and then he took on the full reality of a human being, mixing it with himself to make one incarnate Lord. In Gregory’s view, the real danger lies not in compromising the integrity of these two realities, as the Antiochenes would argue, but rather in the opposite direction: the blending should not be misunderstood as being anything less than a real union. If our humanity is not fully united to God in Christ, then he is in fact two different sons and we have not been divinized in the incarnation. (p. 131) (Saint Gregory)


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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    format_quote Originally Posted by ccc View Post
    I will try to put together some passages from the early centuries Christian saints Gregory of Nyssa
    Adjectives & adverbs and convoluted words don't do a good job dodging the difficult questions nor detract from the absurdity of the claims.


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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    format_quote Originally Posted by شَادِنُ View Post
    The earth here is so negligent it can't even be seen, smaller than an atom, and you're trying to place the one who created all of this into a tiny town in Beit Lehm and reduce him further to a meek ineffectual God who can't even keep his promise to self and not forsake self in a face of a couple of lousy humans?
    God is beyond human arrogance and fears.
    As a Christian, I see incarnation as God assuming human natue out of love for all humans; there is a desire to communicate with them perfectly. God's Word in human nature means that God speaks my human language and I am able to 'hear' him... that God would care to communicate with tiny me, is great love. In this I see the power of his infinite love through my finite human nature. I also see God's infinite justice, for no human can claim that he did not understand God for God delivered his Word in the very human nature. So God does not judge humans using a different language other than human nature itself. And this for me is perfectly just...worthy of God.

    Last, when I see the pictures below, I don't see 'lowered' adults, I see great parents/uncles/aunts...

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    and by your good will our standard is held high." Ps.88

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    that is nice dear but how is your post relevant to the topic?
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    It would be maybe relevant in understanding that God could not show himself to his jewish club, that the jewish were prepared not for a Mesiah only for them. God tried to teach them exactly the contrary, the entire jewish history was a fight between God and his loved jews in order to prepare them for accepting to be open to God and to the others, their law tried to open them, not to make them a sect. Everything was an explosion in the history of Israel, and the prophets announced the day in which the law will be replaced by the communion in spirit.
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    The Messiah was indeed only sent to the Jews who had gone astray, so tells us your bible & the Quran. The world wasn't globalized and individual folks were sent indivudual prophets whom they denied anyway and their message lost. Until the people were ready sent a message that is universal and transcendent in the only living miracle we've with us today which is the noble Quran.
    All other 'miracles' so to speak died with their messengers. And only one remained and one that speaks to man's logic and his soul at the same time.
    Also the message whether with Enoch, Job, Joseph, Moses, Aaron etc etc. has always been the same worship the creator not the man who brought the message, all of a sudden we've this monolithic and very pagan religion that stands apart in Christianity in order to appeal to an already pagan public that didn't feel like making the paradigm shift so decided to change the names and keep the theme.
    If you're convinced of what you write more power to you. I don't need a subjective religion based on whims, that path leads to nowhere.

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    of course the law tried to help them to avoid the things that their weakness could not bear, but the final purpose, the real purpose and meaning of the divine laws must be fulfilled, and it can not be fulfilled only trough running of your weakness and lack of power, the man was meant to become powerful and able to spread, to radiate his spiritual gifts to the others, not only to run of the waves of the evil without any interior power .
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    What does this mean exactly? Jews have already missed the first boat so to speak but at least the boat they remained boarded was still somewhat in keeping with the universal message of monotheism. Christianity is more akin to Hinduism or some paganstic Hellenistic ideology than the universal message brought by all the messengers. Can't really blame them for sticking to what they know although I'll give them credit for ruining pure Christianity as brought by Isa/Jesus

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    i mean the need to prepare the man must contain in itself the purpose, and the preparing in fact tries to put the roots of the love, faith, self sacrifice, joy, truth, life, holiness. People can't and don't want to understand totally what the meaning of God's act are, but, at their level, they sti8ll accept and somehow feel what they are doing, and so they can choose, as much as they can, to follow God's guidance. They can revolt and they might say after that actually what happen because of their weakness and lack of desire was what God told them to do, that this was the law and prophecies, but in that moment they are laying.
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    God's guidance is perfectly preserved and the message is clear, we're certainly grateful for the gift of Islam and the noble Quran which lay to rest all the dark ages of confusion, bizarre practices and worships. We're grateful that the straight path is illuminated and there are no byways save for those who wish to find themselves astray and still if one should seek God then he'll find as stated in the Hadith Qudsi:

    “Allah the Most High said, ‘I am as My servant thinks (expects) I am. I am with him when he mentions Me. If he mentions Me to himself, I mention him to Myself; and if he mentions Me in an assembly, I mention him in an assembly greater than it. If he draws near to Me a hand’s length, I draw near to him an arm’s length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.’” [Sahih Al-Bukhari]

    people don't understand and are astray by choice. Islam is indeed our fitrah!

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    if you refer at the Trinity, this is another discussion. But you can see from the beginnings, the apostles message was incorrigible, but open to all, they were messengers (this is the meaning of the world "apostle") they were telling to all that now the world has changed, now the fight is possible, no everything returns to the Creator. They were living their lives exclusevely for the joy of telling to all and bringing all to their loved Christ, the savior of all and everything.
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    Jesus per your bible couldn't even pick his apostles, Peter forsook him thrice in the day before Jesus was to self-immolated and he had to appear upon a charlatan to change the message. He had to do upon his death what he couldn't do in life including a different self-appointed apostle.. so you can see the dilemma here. Problem is you're not convinced of your own religion and at the end of the day it comes down to your personal spin on what it means.
    God should be clear with his creation.

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    in this world of fight and choice, we are not yet free of the imperfection, we do not know anything. And even when we will, nothing will ever finish, God will always astonish us and joy us. We are not meant to leave the eternity in having the same pleasant spiritual or material joy, our joy can be real only when it will become the continuous share of something that will become continuously new. Our joy will never stop growing.
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    Again, no idea what you're driving at. We should indeed feel joy and peace but religion should appeal to both the heart and mind and be with man's fitrah.
    So good luck with what you subscribe to.

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    I will answe to this with the words of saint Gregory:
    " But in as much as He strips Himself for us, in as much as He comes down (and speak of an exinanition, as it were, a laying aside and a diminution of His glory), He becomes by this comprehensible"
    "And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there, where the multitude was greater. If He had abode upon His own eminence, if He had not condescended to infirmity, if He had remained what He was, keeping Himself unapproachable and incomprehensible, a few perhaps would have followed Him"
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    format_quote Originally Posted by ccc View Post
    a few perhaps would have followed Him"
    A few indeed have and they're not the herd of modern Christianity. They're called Muslims!

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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    The great difficulty in trying to make a triumphalist model of Mesiah is that it does not have any chance to succeed without crashing the free will. God, who gave us the free will, will not make anything to force us to follow him, he does not even give a material proof of his existence. But how can God still do something for his creation? How can fight against the rebellion that he himself permits? He become man and suffered like us all the consequences of sin,all of them including death, desperation, all. And in this he showed his power, that he could not be defeated by death, that the laws, the body in he diluted himself could not keep his infinity bound. Without cheating, he defeated death and the consequences of the sin and because he become one of us (but without loosing or combining his divine nature what what is mortal) now we all can by believing in him and tryin to follow him to win through his victory and power the fight with the evil and sin.
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    Re: Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

    I am not big on mindless drivel myself- is there a point to this? We've already established that Jesus was sent ONLY to the Jews per your bible and the Quran. I am not big on superfluous subjective nonsense!

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