In a thread that was started here (so I posted in it) but has since been moved to a Muslim fellowship (advice and support) area of the board (where I won't intrude), YusufNoor made this interesting post.
format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor
looks at Pygo's post...
bangs head against the wall
and again...
you never cease to amaze me, but this really takes the cake!
of course, as i've stated before, my opinion is that there is no such thing as an atheist; a really radical agnostic maybe...and THOSE you will find in every religion as well.
i'm sure that you realize that, in Islam, it is not acceptable for you 2 to date or marry. but i feel "tempted" to ask, "you don't think that the girl and her family are nutjobs simply by being Muslim?" wouldn't the idea of her worshiping or mostly-worshiping God repulse an (alleged) atheist?
or am i biased by what i see about (alleged) atheists in the media? the obviously believe in God, they just hate Him.
*start a thread*
*start a thread*
*start a thread*
This is not the first time I have seen religious people flatly stating that non-believers don't exist. It perplexes me, because here I am, a non-believer. I am an atheist. Telling yourself I believe in God and just hate him may help you rationalize things for yourself, but I know what I think and what I believe, and what I don't believe. Telling me I believe something I don't and that I feel something I don't is just a weird thing to do.
I don't believe in supernatural beings. I don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in faeries. I don't believe in Gods. I don't see any of the three as any more likely to be real than any other of the three. I don't say that to anger anybody. It is the truth. I don't hate God anymore than I hate ghosts. Hating something that you don't believe in makes no sense.
When you see outspoken and anti-religious atheists (which is not the majority of atheists) speak against religions, often with disgust and hatred, you are not seeing them hate the Gods. You are seeing them hate the belief systems and the actions of the followers. It isn't the same thing. The closest you will get to them actually hating the Gods would be them judging the Gods as literary characters, like they would Robin Hood or Darth Vader.
Personally, since I was asked, no, I am not such an atheist that is disgusted by people worshiping pretend Gods. I see some therepeutic use to it and I see how it has comforted and given some extra sense of purpose and belonging to people I love. I would never want to take somebody's religion away from them if it offers them this and if they don't go crazy with it and don't harm anybody with it.
I do see danger in religion (mostly in fundamentalist and authoritarian oriented religion) but I can also see good in it. As for Islam, I see a lot of wisdom contained in it. I like the ban on usury for example. Makes sense to me. I can take some good insights form Islam without adopting the belief system or believing in the God.
What if the God is not part of this world but this world is part of the God.
As-salamu 3laikum sister harb,
Just curious what you mean by this. The world is part of the creation of Allah subhanahu wa taala, but we know that the creation is totally separate from Allah. So I'm not sure what you meant.
Just curious what you mean by this. The world is part of the creation of Allah subhanahu wa taala, but we know that the creation is totally separate from Allah. So I'm not sure what you meant.
Salam alaykum
When I was thinking that the God/Allah is part of the world I wasn´t muslim yet but atheist. So I didn´t know it at that time.
For example, I have never seen a single molecule of oxygen, but do I know, or do I believe it exists? I believe that I know it exists and that in its absence, I know that I would die.
We can measure oxygen. We formed testable and falsifiable hypotheses and have found all evidence, yes actual evidence, to point to oxygen being there. Not so with God. It is all fine and good to say you believe in God based on "faith", but "faith" to me just means believing because you want something to be true, despite having no evidence; believing because you choose to. And that isn't really something I would call a virtue.
Likewise, I believe that I know God exists, because I see that if He does not exists, then I see that it is impossible for me to ever have come into being.
I am not so quick to make that leap. I don't know that it is impossible for me to have come into being without a God. I do not believe you know either. You employ faith.
I perceive that the question of their personal origin does not come to atheists
Sure it does
or if it does come they are satisfied with a so-called scientific theory that claims we arose from a simple, unicellular prokaryotic Common Ancestor through a completely natural process - natural selection acting upon genetic variation that arose primarily through mutations and chromosomal reorganizations.
I'm not satisfied with that. I think that is the best guess we currently have based on what evidence we have managed to come up with, but I don't find it a very good guess. I am content to simply admit I do not know, and to condiser whatever new evidence or ideas come along. Why is it so frowned upon to admit we don't know what we don't know?
Does it strike anyone as odd that I, as a biological scientist, have faith in God, but doubt a 'scientific theory'?
I doubt a lot of scientific theories. Isn't that why we call them theories?
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