A recent post made me ponder.. but this is not the best place to ask, being an islamic site and all but I see many Christians in here and ex Christians too!
What it's essentially about is that in islam, it is basic to have learnt about the 25 prophets. The message is understood via the historical lessons given to man throughout the ages as they collectively progressed in these stories. So for those who accept islam, they are already following the final messenger and they are settled...
What is not settled is that we know the Jews are still awaiting their final(?) messenger. They rejected Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them both. Christians rejected Muhammad (pbuh), so are they waiting for a final messenger or have they settled for what is brought to them by the Bible? or: There are no more messengers! Or : Don't know?
Or am I not clear?
As long as my heart does beat, I shall live, not lie
For when my heart does stop its beat, with truth, I die.
Gotcha. I do understand you more clearly now and thank you for the clarification. Apologies again if I sounded confrontational, I just thought it was important to clear up our stances on this stuff.
Christians believe that Jesus was the final Prophet, as well as God incarnate and the son of God, and that he will return at the end of time to kill the AntiChrist....Muslims believe that the mahdi (Messiah) and the Dajjal will appear at around the same time, and Jesus, or Isa (AS) will kill the dajjal. Jews also believe in a false messiah, which they call the Armilus, and the true Messiah, will appear at the End Times.
Christians believe that Jesus was the final Prophet, as well as God incarnate and the son of God, and that he will return at the end of time to kill the AntiChrist....Muslims believe that the mahdi (Messiah) and the Dajjal will appear at around the same time, and Jesus, or Isa (AS) will kill the dajjal. Jews also believe in a false messiah, which they call the Armilus, and the true Messiah, will appear at the End Times.
Not all Christian's believe Jesus is God though. That's the doctrine of the Trinity.
I have always rejected the trinity, my church did not accept that as it's not biblical. Unfortunately, many Christian's do accept the trinity simply because it's been passed down to them. The majority that do accept the trinity view it differently though too.. Then how it is defined.
Some believe Jesus to be God but of different substance. And then you have those who believe Jesus and God are of the same substance. Which doesn't make sense but has been passed down.
Anyway, my church has taught that Jesus is simply the Son of God, separate entirely. Takes orders from God and is below God. Has been chosen to be savior and Redeemer. So yeah, not all Christian's believe Jesus is God incarcerated. Just wanted to clear that up.
Not all Christian's believe Jesus is God though. That's the doctrine of the Trinity.
I have always rejected the trinity, my church did not accept that as it's not biblical. Unfortunately, many Christian's do accept the trinity simply because it's been passed down to them. The majority that do accept the trinity view it differently though too.. Then how it is defined.
Some believe Jesus to be God but of different substance. And then you have those who believe Jesus and God are of the same substance. Which doesn't make sense but has been passed down.
Anyway, my church has taught that Jesus is simply the Son of God, separate entirely. Takes orders from God and is below God. Has been chosen to be savior and Redeemer. So yeah, not all Christian's believe Jesus is God incarcerated. Just wanted to clear that up.
Well prior to that, we know that before the arrival of dajjal wouldn't there be two camps?
One camp full of imaan and no hypocrisy,
Other camp full of hypocrisy and no imaan.
So speaking about Muslims, that Allah knows how many will follow Mahdi. Majority of Muslims now a days have become "i follow Islam because my parents follow it"-mentality. Allah knows the condition of their heart.
Also we know from a hadith that the Arabs will be few in the time of mahdi, which is kind of bizarre as Arabs exceed 300 million in current times with majority being Muslims. Not to forget hadith about two camps of the same religion fighting each other and many people dying. I am not sure if this is being the Muslims..
The few Muslims in my opinion is the reverts and the ones that came to Islam on there own and not because they're parents told them too and he's just going to use dajal as a means to purify our nation or maybe it's because much Muslims will die in a war against him
The few Muslims in my opinion is the reverts and the ones that came to Islam on there own and not because they're parents told them too and he's just going to use dajal as a means to purify our nation or maybe it's because much Muslims will die in a war against him
Well both. As we know a earthquake will happen in Medina and the hypocrites will flee from Medina..right in to the arms of Dajjal waiting outside. Also Rasullah (saws) speaking about a bedouin that Dajja will ask him if I bring your parents back from death will you believe that I am your Lord? And he after that will follow him. Dajjal is the last definitieve answer one could say to give certain people ABSOLUTELY not one excuse left to enter paradise. These people with their mouth many saying they are Muslim, Christian. .Jew. .believe in 1 God ..but in their heart not really the case. Those days it is rather sticking firmly to your heart and what you believe and not using your mind.
Christians are awaiting Jesus second return. Jews are still awaiting a savior as they rejected Jesus altogether.
I will accept that. The Jews also rejected Muhammad (pbuh).
My main thought on this is that although the Christians accepted Jesus (pbuh) then, mostly the Christians of today do not follow his preaching but instead they follow Paul.
What is the implication? Imagine now that Jesus does make his second return, what will he be saying? Will he be agreeing to Paul's teachings? Would he celebrate Christmas? Did he not fast for 40 days in lent? Did he not pray by putting his head to the ground, circumcised, eat kosher food etc, and does it not appear more to be like what islam preaches? Especially about the Oneness of God, and he never claimed divinity. If Jesus returned and practiced what he did 2000 years ago, would the Christians recognise him?
Don't mean to offend with this, just asking a question. Hence the OP..
Not all Christian's believe Jesus is God though. That's the doctrine of the Trinity.
I have always rejected the trinity, my church did not accept that as it's not biblical. Unfortunately, many Christian's do accept the trinity simply because it's been passed down to them. The majority that do accept the trinity view it differently though too.. Then how it is defined.
Some believe Jesus to be God but of different substance. And then you have those who believe Jesus and God are of the same substance. Which doesn't make sense but has been passed down.
Anyway, my church has taught that Jesus is simply the Son of God, separate entirely. Takes orders from God and is below God. Has been chosen to be savior and Redeemer. So yeah, not all Christian's believe Jesus is God incarcerated. Just wanted to clear that up.
I have the moment i heard this, this a very strange thing.
"Now the Pharisees who had been sent" John 1:24 "questioned him, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?" John 1:25
Christianity agrees Elijah (John the Baptist - Muslim agree with him being Prophet Yahah (as) ).
Christianity agrees the Messiah (Jesus Christ - Muslims agree him being Isa ibn Maryam (as) the Messiah.
Christians stops there..why? The Jews HAD the knowledge about 3 to appear, Elijah, Messiah and the prophet.
What bothers me is Islam is the ONLY religion of the three that acknowledges all these three persons already have appeared. If we look at what Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has said, it is ONLY good about Jesus(as). So still i am kind of puzzled what is going on with Christians not accepting also the Prophet? Are the teachings of paul so far in the core of the heart of many Christians that they want a "safety net" that they have a guarantee of being saved just by accepting Jesus dying for their sins?
Just you believing something, doesn't make it fact you know. There are for example atheist that without a doubt in their heart have concluded that there is no god and no day of judgement. However somebody just believing Day of judgement doesn't exist, doesn't make it a fact it doesn't exist.
I will accept that. The Jews also rejected Muhammad (pbuh).
My main thought on this is that although the Christians accepted Jesus (pbuh) then, mostly the Christians of today do not follow his preaching but instead they follow Paul.
What is the implication? Imagine now that Jesus does make his second return, what will he be saying? Will he be agreeing to Paul's teachings? Would he celebrate Christmas? Did he not fast for 40 days in lent? Did he not pray by putting his head to the ground, circumcised, eat kosher food etc, and does it not appear more to be like what islam preaches? Especially about the Oneness of God, and he never claimed divinity. If Jesus returned and practiced what he did 2000 years ago, would the Christians recognise him?
Don't mean to offend with this, just asking a question. Hence the OP..
Well many Christian's are in error today, in my opinion. The teaching of the trinity for example, totally man made teaching and has no biblical ground. Yet the vast majority of Christian's accept it (without looking into it or even studying what it is) and kind of just blindly accept it as truth because it's peached in their churches.
I, however, do not accept the trinity as Jesus never claimed to be God. In fact, he showed himself to be below God when he says what he knows and teaches, comes from the father ... And he even stated that God was greater then he. Clearly, Jesus was below God. But tell most Christian's that and they'll try to tell you your not a true Christian if you don't accept Jesus as God.
But again, most not even having studied it or looked into it's meaning and history.
Christianity is similar to Islam in many ways but also very different. When it comes to being saved in the Christian view, Islam is different. As you can only be saved by accepting Jesus as savior and Redeemer, our only way to heaven. In Islam, Jesus is not savior, he's just a mere prophet , like that of old (Noah, Abraham etc.)
Jesus is not God (in my understanding and beliefs) but he is the son of God, first created and the highest in ranking amongst all of us. He was chosen as savior and lived a perfect , sinless life in order to redeem us from sin. that doesn't make him God, but it does show how powerful and special Jesus is to God. Being the first created and having lived with God for much longer before we came to being.
But again, these are my beliefs. I don't write this as fact and the only truth. I simply write it out of my own personal faith. I could be wrong, and I accept that. Christianity in full could be wrong. Islam could be truth, or not. At the end of the day, none of us know anything. We simply choose to believe in something and we build faith on it.
And this is my faith.
And you didn't offend me at all, no worries. I am not easily offended at all. I respect all view points and understand that each of us have differing beliefs and backgrounds and I think it's great!
I have the moment i heard this, this a very strange thing.
"Now the Pharisees who had been sent" John 1:24 "questioned him, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?" John 1:25
Christianity agrees Elijah (John the Baptist - Muslim agree with him being Prophet Yahah (as) ).
Christianity agrees the Messiah (Jesus Christ - Muslims agree him being Isa ibn Maryam (as) the Messiah.
Christians stops there..why? The Jews HAD the knowledge about 3 to appear, Elijah, Messiah and the prophet.
What bothers me is Islam is the ONLY religion of the three that acknowledges all these three persons already have appeared. If we look at what Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has said, it is ONLY good about Jesus(as). So still i am kind of puzzled what is going on with Christians not accepting also the Prophet? Are the teachings of paul so far in the core of the heart of many Christians that they want a "safety net" that they have a guarantee of being saved just by accepting Jesus dying for their sins?
Just you believing something, doesn't make it fact you know. There are for example atheist that without a doubt in their heart have concluded that there is no god and no day of judgement. However somebody just believing Day of judgement doesn't exist, doesn't make it a fact it doesn't exist.
You are correct. None of us know anything for fact. Unless one has spoken to God directly and received answers, were all in the dark. All we can do is look around at what we've got and study and research everything out there.. and after doing so, all we've got is to put our faith into one of these items (scripture, nature etc) and choose to rely on that and we then build hope into whatever that is. So yeah, I totally agree. None of us know. But we've got to beleive in something, right? It's only natural that man would have these questions. Their must be an explanation. And so that's what we do, were all seeking it in different ways.
I don't care what atheists say. They too have beleive in something, or will eventually. I don't beleive athiesm is a way. I look at is as a phase. Rather that be a God, many God's or nature, whatever it is....All people have thought of and hoped in something.
Anyway... That's my 2 cents.
You are correct. None of us know anything for fact. Unless one has spoken to God directly and received answers, were all in the dark. All we can do is look around at what we've got and study and research everything out there.. and after doing so, all we've got is to put our faith into one of these items (scripture, nature etc) and choose to rely on that and we then build hope into whatever that is. So yeah, I totally agree. None of us know. But we've got to beleive in something, right? It's only natural that man would have these questions. Their must be an explanation. And so that's what we do, were all seeking it in different ways.
I don't care what atheists say. They too have beleive in something, or will eventually. I don't beleive athiesm is a way. I look at is as a phase. Rather that be a God, many God's or nature, whatever it is....All people have thought of and hoped in something.
Anyway... That's my 2 cents.
Yeah but it doesn't make sense from the sense of Christianity. If they have acknowledged Elijah and also acknowledged the Messiah, than for fact the prophet they also have to acknowledge. HOWEVER who is the prophet one might say right? Well he must already have come, because we according to Christianity live in the end times where Jesus (as) will come in his second coming, which MUSLIMS ALSO confirm this SAME believe of his second coming. So if he again returns, then we must look between now and his first coming. There is only 1 person that spoke of Jesus in such a high regard and respectful way. That person is Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). Besides that you see Muslims as being the second largest religion and still growing and some studies saying by 2050 or 2100 Islam will be the biggest religion on the face of the earth. So to my Christian brothers and sisters..doesn't this ignite some pondering that you indeed find this odd? We also believe in the anti-Christ. We believe in more things than Jews even believe in, so again...doesn't this ignite pondering that you think what is going on and maybe indeed better start digging in to Islam, as that might be the last scripture that the Almighty want me to follow?
So the question is, what keeps people in believing also in that prophet? I often have seen arrogance in some Christians. For example they make it comparison as ..ooh but Jesus is greater and better than Muhammad ...=_=!. What has greater and better to do with the real truth? You believe what God presents to you whatever that may be.
What makes you stop and becoming a Muslim? Don't answer this question to me, but answer this question to yourself.
...... Christianity is similar to Islam in many ways but also very different. When it comes to being saved in the Christian view, Islam is different. As you can only be saved by accepting Jesus as savior and Redeemer, our only way to heaven. In Islam, Jesus is not savior, he's just a mere prophet , like that of old (Noah, Abraham etc.) .......
Yes, in a way you have highlighted the difference.
This is where (in a convoluted sense, much caused by the confusion of Paul's preachings) to present Jesus as the Saviour, a position never given to any of the other Abrahamic faith. The essence of Abrahamic faith is that the power belongs to God, in this case Allah, and not to any other appointed beings. Where we all seek His Mercy and Blessings and our proof is in our humanly attempt to follow his Commands which are 'told' to us by messengers (prophets). Like the Jewish faith before Christianity and the Muslim faith after (see the subtle difference here, the Jewish faith by its name belongs to the Jews, Christianity to those who follow Christ and Muslims just means 'submissive' to the will of Allah, not belonging to any sect or breed, but defined as people who have 'submitted') both Jews and Muslims appeal to Elloh and Allah respectively to grant them heaven but know that their deeds will be weighed in the balance. How they fared in executing God's commands. There is no short cut to heaven. In the Quran, it lays a very clear path to both destinations. Allah won't choose for us, we make our own choices. Then, in the hereafter, we answer for those choices...
As horrible as it may sound, yet we muslims believe this. It is most fair.
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I don't write this as fact and the only truth. I simply write it out of my own personal faith. I could be wrong, and I accept that. Christianity in full could be wrong. Islam could be truth, or not. At the end of the day, none of us know anything. We simply choose to believe in something and we build faith on it.
I totally agree. Better that it be of your own 'weighed' personal faith, than be lead blindly For this, I have to suggest that you look up Jeffrey Lang on YouTube on 'the Purpose of Life'. As a muslim, I found it enlightening and a very solid grounding for me. It is in 2 parts and about 93 mins short. It is a bit slow to start but necessary, but the ending was a bit rushed. Too bad.
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I respect all view points and understand that each of us have differing beliefs and backgrounds and I think it's great!
Yeah but it doesn't make sense from the sense of Christianity. If they have acknowledged Elijah and also acknowledged the Messiah, than for fact the prophet they also have to acknowledge. HOWEVER who is the prophet one might say right? Well he must already have come, because we according to Christianity live in the end times where Jesus (as) will come in his second coming, which MUSLIMS ALSO confirm this SAME believe of his second coming. So if he again returns, then we must look between now and his first coming. There is only 1 person that spoke of Jesus in such a high regard and respectful way. That person is Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). Besides that you see Muslims as being the second largest religion and still growing and some studies saying by 2050 or 2100 Islam will be the biggest religion on the face of the earth. So to my Christian brothers and sisters..doesn't this ignite some pondering that you indeed find this odd? We also believe in the anti-Christ. We believe in more things than Jews even believe in, so again...doesn't this ignite pondering that you think what is going on and maybe indeed better start digging in to Islam, as that might be the last scripture that the Almighty want me to follow?
So the question is, what keeps people in believing also in that prophet? I often have seen arrogance in some Christians. For example they make it comparison as ..ooh but Jesus is greater and better than Muhammad ...=_=!. What has greater and better to do with the real truth? You believe what God presents to you whatever that may be.
What makes you stop and becoming a Muslim? Don't answer this question to me, but answer this question to yourself.
What stops me from converting to Islam is the fact that I, personally,
deny Jesus Christ as God's Only Begotten, Savior and Redeemer and the only way to heaven. The Bible makes it perfectly clear that there is absolutely no other way. And in Islam, this is not accepted. As they hold Muhammad in a prominent position. The Bible makes no mention of Muhammad (obviously, as he was born much later after) and makes no hint or mention of him. Therefore, he and his claims aren't accepted in Christianity.
And that's major for me, as I cannot convert to a faith that doesn't follow Bible teachings. I hold the Bible very closely to my heart.
And this is MY belief. Rather it's 100 % true or not is unable to be proven (although the Bible cannot be disproven even after centuries of attsckd. Not to mention all the biblical predictions that's unfolded and continues to unfold) but it's what I accept as true and I build my life around this faith regardless. It's important to me nonetheless and with that said, I cannot choose to believe in something that goes against the Bible.
Hopefully that answers your question.
As far as the rest of your post goes, I don't understand what your saying or trying to ask me.
Jesus was born on Earth, grew up and taught us the teachings of God. He helped us understand scripture and teachings that were written down and came to show us how to live a righteous life. He made clear to us what God approved and disapproved of, lived a sinless life and then was put on the cross to be tortured and finally to be put to death in the place of us to save us from sin, the ultimate eternal penalty. He paid our debt that was brought upon us all via the first sin. So he was raised on the third day, spoke to many people and then returned to God.
Jesus said he will return again and when he does, it will be to rescue the saints and raise the dead. This will be the beginning of the end of this current system of things. Where judgment will come upon all and we will all receive our rightful place.
And that's what I beleive. Jesus is King of Kings, Lord and savior.
What stops me from converting to Islam is the fact that I, personally,
deny Jesus Christ as God's Only Begotten, Savior and Redeemer and the only way to heaven. The Bible makes it perfectly clear that there is absolutely no other way. And in Islam, this is not accepted. As they hold Muhammad in a prominent position. The Bible makes no mention of Muhammad (obviously, as he was born much later after) and makes no hint or mention of him. Therefore, he and his claims aren't accepted in Christianity.
And that's major for me, as I cannot convert to a faith that doesn't follow Bible teachings. I hold the Bible very closely to my heart.
And this is MY belief. Rather it's 100 % true or not is unable to be proven (although the Bible cannot be disproven even after centuries of attsckd. Not to mention all the biblical predictions that's unfolded and continues to unfold) but it's what I accept as true and I build my life around this faith regardless. It's important to me nonetheless and with that said, I cannot choose to believe in something that goes against the Bible.
Hopefully that answers your question.
As far as the rest of your post goes, I don't understand what your saying or trying to ask me.
Jesus was born on Earth, grew up and taught us the teachings of God. He helped us understand scripture and teachings that were written down and came to show us how to live a righteous life. He made clear to us what God approved and disapproved of, lived a sinless life and then was put on the cross to be tortured and finally to be put to death in the place of us to save us from sin, the ultimate eternal penalty. He paid our debt that was brought upon us all via the first sin. So he was raised on the third day, spoke to many people and then returned to God.
Jesus said he will return again and when he does, it will be to rescue the saints and raise the dead. This will be the beginning of the end of this current system of things. Where judgment will come upon all and we will all receive our rightful place.
And that's what I beleive. Jesus is King of Kings, Lord and savior.
I see I don't want to argue but you talk about how there's no proof in Islam we believe not to follow a faith blindly even if your following Islam that's why god sent proof with Muhammad saw you can look up the many proofs listen to dr zakir naik also Muhammed is in the Bible just not by name dr zakir naik has gone over this and Muhammed was originally in the Torah but was removed from it there are many versions of the Bible so obviously things have been removed changed as for the Quran we have a tradition to protect corruption and there's only one book and we believe the Bible was correct it's just currently it isn't and we also believe jesus enters us into heaven depending on what you mean we must follow every single messenger to go heaven so if we don't follow one of the messengers then we cannot enter heaven but he Himself does not judge us or give us heaven that's gods job but if we deny one messenger just one then we are not a Monetheist believer in god (the reason why I say monortheist is some Christians thing our god is different because of his name no our allah is your original god allah is just the word in Arabic for god)anymore such not going to go much deeper because I don't want you to feel as if I'm criticizing it's just my views on Christianity also I didn't read this entire thread I just skipped to the end because I must sleep soon
I see I don't want to argue but you talk about how there's no proof in Islam we believe not to follow a faith blindly even if your following Islam that's why god sent proof with Muhammad saw you can look up the many proofs listen to dr zakir naik also Muhammed is in the Bible just not by name dr zakir naik has gone over this and Muhammed was originally in the Torah but was removed from it there are many versions of the Bible so obviously things have been removed changed as for the Quran we have a tradition to protect corruption and there's only one book and we believe the Bible was correct it's just currently it isn't and we also believe jesus enters us into heaven depending on what you mean we must follow every single messenger to go heaven so if we don't follow one of the messengers then we cannot enter heaven but he Himself does not judge us or give us heaven that's gods job but if we deny one messenger just one then we are not a Monetheist believer in god (the reason why I say monortheist is some Christians thing our god is different because of his name no our allah is your original god allah is just the word in Arabic for god)anymore such not going to go much deeper because I don't want you to feel as if I'm criticizing it's just my views on Christianity also I didn't read this entire thread I just skipped to the end because I must sleep soon
Many Bible's? Yes many in print, as it's the most printed book in history. Or are you saying all the Bibles printed differ for one an another?
Sure. When you have a book that's published wodwide and in countless languages, of course your going to have Bible's that differ from each other. That's simply called translations. Languages vary from one to the next but they are pretty accurate. They all teach the same message. As far as stuff being removed from one Bible to the next, that's just silly. I would appreciate if you could provide me some evidence for these claims. As well as ones for Muhammad being mentioned. I'm highly interested.
Now.. I am aware that some writings were lit on fire and destroyed because they didn't appear to be legit. As to what writings were burnt, we'll never know. There's no way of finding out what was contained in those writings.
We can speculate but that's about it.
But I figure that is wasn't anything we needed. If so, an all powerful God wouldn't have allowed that to happen, or He would have recovered those writings or had them rewritten if they were important. Nothing is to short for God.
I see I don't want to argue but you talk about how there's no proof in Islam we believe not to follow a faith blindly even if your following Islam that's why god sent proof with Muhammad saw you can look up the many proofs listen to dr zakir naik also Muhammed is in the Bible just not by name dr zakir naik has gone over this and Muhammed was originally in the Torah but was removed from it there are many versions of the Bible so obviously things have been removed changed as for the Quran we have a tradition to protect corruption and there's only one book and we believe the Bible was correct it's just currently it isn't and we also believe jesus enters us into heaven depending on what you mean we must follow every single messenger to go heaven so if we don't follow one of the messengers then we cannot enter heaven but he Himself does not judge us or give us heaven that's gods job but if we deny one messenger just one then we are not a Monetheist believer in god (the reason why I say monortheist is some Christians thing our god is different because of his name no our allah is your original god allah is just the word in Arabic for god)anymore such not going to go much deeper because I don't want you to feel as if I'm criticizing it's just my views on Christianity also I didn't read this entire thread I just skipped to the end because I must sleep soon
No, I don't feel like you're criticizing My Religion at all! Don't worry for that, you're okay. This is just called Q&A, debating and exploring. I like to learn about Islam as well, which is why I'm here. So no worries at all! Feel free to question me about whatever is on your mind, after all, that's what this is for, right?
What I mean is that the Quran has the same meaning worldwide because we have maintained the language as I said I believe Christianity is the truth but has been changed I can give proof of Islam when I wake up tomorrow but when I say this don't get offended but it says in the Bible that the world is flat I believe Christianity is the truth as I said it has just been changed quite a bit and that's just one example you know I'll send you links to dr zakir naik talking about this stuff tomorrow he has studied comprtive religion quite a bit and shows that I believe in the book of gospel it makes reference to Muhammed saw also I believe he found somthing in the first testemant of god saying I am not a human being or somthing like that the proof of Islam gets very scientific and can go as far to him predicting the internet and porn and even back then in the Quran it had a exact in chonrical order of how baby's where born in the stomach but like while it's still at the microscopic level so no one could've known this until 100 years ago he also predicted headphones airplanes many things I believe the Bible still contains truth but allot of the truth has been changed and manipulated the two videos by dr zakir naik one of them is like 20 min long (it talks about the Bible and Muhammad saw) and there's another about the changes in the Bible I forgot how long it is and the last one is about a hour long going through allot of the evidences to why Islam has proof behind it again I have nothing against Christianity I just believe that much of it has been change we Muslims believe the same thing about the Jews
Many Bible's? Yes many in print, as it's the most printed book in history. Or are you saying all the Bibles printed differ for one an another?
Sure. When you have a book that's published wodwide and in countless languages, of course your going to have Bible's that differ from each other. That's simply called translations. Languages vary from one to the next but they are pretty accurate. They all teach the same message. As far as stuff being removed from one Bible to the next, that's just silly. I would appreciate if you could provide me some evidence for these claims. As well as ones for Muhammad being mentioned. I'm highly interested.
Now.. I am aware that some writings were lit on fire and destroyed because they didn't appear to be legit. As to what writings were burnt, we'll never know. There's no way of finding out what was contained in those writings.
We can speculate but that's about it.
But I figure that is wasn't anything we needed. If so, an all powerful God wouldn't have allowed that to happen, or He would have recovered those writings or had them rewritten if they were important. Nothing is to short for God.
And nah there's like different bibles different Christians follow like how Mormans are completely different then Catholics what I mean is there's so many different sub genders of Christianity Islam is only one any way good night and sweet dreams when I have time I'll post the links to dr zakir naiks proof on the Bible and the Quran and all that stuff peace
And nah there's like different bibles different Christians follow like how Mormans are completely different then Catholics what I mean is there's so many different sub genders of Christianity Islam is only one any way good night and sweet dreams when I have time I'll post the links to dr zakir naiks proof on the Bible and the Quran and all that stuff peace
That's because Christianity is such a large religion made up of so many people that some groups like to twist things .
But all teach the same fundamental thing, Jesus is savior and that's what it's about.
And no, the Bible doesn't not teach the world is flat..on the contrary, it teaches what it is. The Bible describes the world as being a ball or sphere. Way before anyone even knew this.
The earth is described in Job 26:7 as being suspended over empty space, implying a spherical figure. This notion is further entertained in Isaiah 40:21-22, which refers to “the circle of the earth.” This is further supported by Proverbs 8:27 , which speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth.
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but I see many Christians in here and ex Christians too!
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For this, I have to suggest that you look up Jeffrey Lang on YouTube on 'the Purpose of Life'. As a muslim, I found it enlightening and a very solid grounding for me. It is in 2 parts and about 93 mins short. It is a bit slow to start but necessary, but the ending was a bit rushed. Too bad. 
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