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    Re: Meaning of this link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantineman View Post
    It is confusing for me genuinely at times when hearing Christianity was true but not true anymore. This is not something I’m too well versed at.
    Christianity was not true. I think that's where you are getting confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantineman View Post
    The statement is confusing to me. I want to make sure it isn’t a contradiction.
    just think about it logically...doen't christianity have the same statement?
    if there is only one God and He is present always...throughout the complete human history...and he has sent Adam as to Earth...and every other prophet to guide us to the right path. Solomon as, David as, Moses as, Jonas as, Josef as, Noah as...
    why would their names be mentioned in the Bible if they all called to their own religion?
    so...Christianity AND Judaism have both the same statement as Islam...Islam is just the latest update of the true religion...and with that all other religions are declared invalid.

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    Re: Meaning of this link

    Quote Originally Posted by keiv View Post
    Christianity was not true. I think that's where you are getting confused.
    Umit said it was true at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    just think about it logically...doen't christianity have the same statement?
    if there is only one God and He is present always...throughout the complete human history...and he has sent Adam as to Earth...and every other prophet to guide us to the right path. Solomon as, David as, Moses as, Jonas as, Josef as, Noah as...
    why would their names be mentioned in the Bible if they all called to their own religion?
    so...Christianity AND Judaism have both the same statement as Islam...Islam is just the latest update of the true religion...and with that all other religions are declared invalid.
    How do they have the same statement of these prophets never named those religions Christianity or Judaism? Note, Moses was from the tribe of Levi, not Judah but they are related none of the less.

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    Re: Meaning of this link

    Quote Originally Posted by keiv View Post
    Christianity was not true. I think that's where you are getting confused.
    that is dependant of what you mean exactly with christianity...let's not make the discussion more complicated than it already is right now...
    for now...if Christianity was never true...why would a small part of them be called "people of the Book"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantineman View Post
    How do they have the same statement of these prophets never named those religions Christianity or Judaism? Note, Moses was from the tribe of Levi, not Judah but they are related none of the less.
    why would they name the true religion they want to call people to christianity or judaism? that does not make sense.
    doesn't Moses as bring the Thorah to the people?
    isn't that the holy book of the Jews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    that is dependant of what you mean exactly with christianity...let's not make the discussion more complicated than it already is right now...
    for now...if Christianity was never true...why would a small part of them be called "people of the Book"?
    From the Islamic point of view from what I understand so far, the Christians were a group of people that believed in Jesus as the messiah and it didn’t mean followers of Christianity, it meant supporters of Christ and they were Muslims. Not the meaning we have today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    why would they name the true religion they want to call people to christianity or judaism? that does not make sense.
    doesn't Moses as bring the Thorah to the people?
    isn't that the holy book of the Jews?
    Just because Judaism is implied in the Bible and the Talmud, doesn’t mean it’s mentioned by name and that’s my opinion.

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    Re: Meaning of this link

    I think you are confused because you're using western definitions and applying them to the Islamic explanations. You have to stay within the context of Islam. Obviously dictionaries will not tell you that Jesus and Moses were preaching Islam. It would make no sense though in the larger scheme of things for each one to be preaching a different religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    I think you are confused because you're using western definitions and applying them to the Islamic explanations. You have to stay within the context of Islam. Obviously dictionaries will not tell you that Jesus and Moses were preaching Islam. It would make no sense though in the larger scheme of things for each one to be preaching a different religion.
    I am confused with the Islamic definition vs western definition because they both have similarities for lots of things to the point it’s hard to differentiate between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    that is dependant of what you mean exactly with christianity...let's not make the discussion more complicated than it already is right now...
    for now...if Christianity was never true...why would a small part of them be called "people of the Book"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    Jesus as didn't name his religion after himself...nor did Moses as name his religion after his Juda tribe. those names came later on.
    the true form of Christianity and Judaism were once religions of God...after all...both of them received holy books.
    why would God send holy books for false religions?
    they became false later on and then those names appeared.
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    Hmm OK, I'll try to explain it again but in a different way:
    The name of the true form of Christianity is Islam...and the name of the true form of Judaism is Islam.
    Again, Islam was always there...from the very start...people wandered off and then came Moses as to guide them back to Islam and he gave them the original Thorah...people wandered off again, started to add innovations and changed their religion and even wrote their own holy book, the talmut and Judaism was born...So then came Jesus as to guide people back to Islam. He also gave his people a holy book the original Bible but people wandered off again, started to add innovations and changed their religion and Christianity was born...Then came Muhammed sas to guide everyone one last time back to Islam.

    Hope you understand this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    no.
    People of the book are the followers of Tawrat, Zabur and Injil, and a few other scrolls. Those books are not in existence anymore. a person who knows about the Quraan but still follows another book is not "people of the book".

    most christians do not follow the Injil...they follow the Bible which is full of alterations. Besides they believe in a trinity rather than in one God.
    and they know about Muhammed sas and the Quraan but ignore that. the same with Jews.
    I think you can understand how one would get confused reading these series of posts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by keiv View Post
    I think you can understand how one would get confused reading these series of posts...
    There were Arabs who believed in God and had prophets too in Islam, so were they people of the book too?

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    Re: Meaning of this link

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantineman View Post
    There were Arabs who believed in God and had prophets too in Islam, so were they people of the book too?
    Not all prophets had books or scriptures, so I guess it depends on which groups of people and time period you are referring to.

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    Re: Meaning of this link

    Quote Originally Posted by keiv View Post
    Not all prophets had books or scriptures, so I guess it depends on which groups of people and time period you are referring to.
    Maybe.


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