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*charisma* said:
Which part do you not understand?

https://aboutislam.net/reading-isla...children-of-israel-as-mentioned-in-the-quran/

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[TD]The Children of Israel As Mentioned in the Quran | About Islam
The origin of Banu Israel starts from Egypt. They were living there peacefully until the pharaohs took them captive. They were treated like animals......[/TD]
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Is Islamqa saying Jesus was a Jew but the way the kuffar understand it is his religion was Judaism, in other words his ethnicity was his religion?
 
Constantineman said:
Is Islamqa saying Jesus was a Jew but the way the kuffar understand it is his religion was Judaism, in other words his ethnicity was his religion?
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Yes, his culture was the same to those who followed him who were called Jews or Children of Israel (lineage, and culture-wise), but he himself was not Jewish/follow Judaism (religion). He was Muslim and was leading people to Islam.
 
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*charisma* said:
Yes, his culture was the same to those who followed him who were called Jews or Children of Israel (lineage, and culture-wise), but he himself was not Jewish/follow Judaism (religion). He was Muslim and was leading people to Islam.
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When Islamqa says let’s avoid calling Jesus a Jew, are they saying avoid the kuffar meaning because it’s a lie attributed to him because it’s assuming he was upon his ethnicity, not Islam? If so, why lots of Muslims and sometimes Islamqa said Christianity and Judaism were religions of god but the majority of the time Islamqa says no and most Muslims? Also how can Jesus be upon Judaism because he never said it and in Judaism, a follower is called an Israelite even if you have no Israelite in you which makes no sense.
 
Constantineman said:
When Islamqa says let’s avoid calling Jesus a Jew, are they saying avoid the kuffar meaning because it’s a lie attributed to him because it’s assuming he was upon his ethnicity, not Islam? If so, why lots of Muslims and sometimes Islamqa said Christianity and Judaism were religions of god but the majority of the time Islamqa says no and most Muslims? Also how can Jesus be upon Judaism because he never said it and in Judaism, a follower is called an Israelite even if you have no Israelite in you which makes no sense.
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Also he would have to believe a child of an Israelite father and a non-Israelite is not an Israelite which is unique to Judaism, not Islam. Does this contradict when Islamqa and the salafi say we love for the sake of allah and hate for his sake(al wala wal bara) and we hate the Jews(Bani Israel) for his sake because Jesus was a Jew as pointed out? It’s not racism because it’s about religion and nothing else?
 
Constantineman said:
When Islamqa says let’s avoid calling Jesus a Jew, are they saying avoid the kuffar meaning because it’s a lie attributed to him because it’s assuming he was upon his ethnicity, not Islam? If so, why lots of Muslims and sometimes Islamqa said Christianity and Judaism were religions of god but the majority of the time Islamqa says no and most Muslims? Also how can Jesus be upon Judaism because he never said it and in Judaism, a follower is called an Israelite even if you have no Israelite in you which makes no sense.
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It says we should avoid calling him Jewish because that's a religion. He didn't follow Judaism. His lineage was the same as those who were Jewish at the time. So for example, if you took a DNA test, your lineage would belong to some tribe somewhere, but it doesn't mean that you follow their same religion. Same concept applies here, except he grew up around Jews.

The religion of Christianity and Judaism is not from Allah, they are man-made. The Bible and the Torah however are from Allah, but they have been corrupted/changed. Allah never sent down a religion called Christianity where people are supposed to worship Christ. He sent down the Bible/Injeel which was his word similar to the Quran, and the message as what Islam preaches. As you know, these books all have similarities to the Quran, but there are some major differences which we consider the parts of corruption overtime.
 
Constantineman said:
Also he would have to believe a child of an Israelite father and a non-Israelite is not an Israelite which is unique to Judaism, not Islam. Does this contradict when Islamqa and the salafi say we love for the sake of allah and hate for his sake(al wala wal bara) and we hate the Jews(Bani Israel) for his sake because Jesus was a Jew as pointed out? It’s not racism because it’s about religion and nothing else?
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[MENTION=45490]Constantineman[/MENTION]
To give you som overview:
God was always present...from the first human Adam as untill the last...and He has been in touch with us on a regularly basis by sending prophets and by keeping us updated.
So the believe in the one true God was always there...but the earlier prophets might have had a slightly different set of rules than the prophets later on, because human kind has been developing since then and needed extra clarification on some subjects.
an example of this is forbidding alcohol because in Adam as time alcohol was not discovered yet...and you can not forbid something which is not even discovered yet. The same with homosexuality. before Prophet Lot, homosexuality never was a problem.

Every time people wandered off...started believing in other Gods, the original message got lost or deliberately got changed by humans or when humans needed an update, a new false religion was born. So God send a new prophet to guide them back to the one true religion. the old set of rules was then declared invalid and the new set of rules were valid.

So that is why almost all religions on Earth have something in common with each other, especially Christianism, Judaism and Islam. but since the come of Muhammed sas and brought the Quraan to us, every other religion on Earth is outdated and invalid.

in other words:
Muslims are just people who believe in the one true God...throughout the history, even before Muhammad sas...
Judaism and Christianity were once this true religion before people started to add innovation and changed rules that benefitted them.
Can Jesus as be called a Jew? no, because one of the very reasons why He was sent to Earth was because the Jews have already been wandered off the right path and have been adding to much innovation and changed their religion.
Jesus as came to Earth to guide those jews and pagans back to the true religion.

one other thing:
The Thorah is the holy book of the Jews which still contains some truth, but the Talmud, which is totally written by rabbies, is totally a human fabrication and therefore has absolute zero value.
 
*charisma* said:
It says we should avoid calling him Jewish because that's a religion. He didn't follow Judaism. His lineage was the same as those who were Jewish at the time. So for example, if you took a DNA test, your lineage would belong to some tribe somewhere, but it doesn't mean that you follow their same religion. Same concept applies here, except he grew up around Jews.

The religion of Christianity and Judaism is not from Allah, they are man-made. The Bible and the Torah however are from Allah, but they have been corrupted/changed. Allah never sent down a religion called Christianity where people are supposed to worship Christ. He sent down the Bible/Injeel which was his word similar to the Quran, and the message as what Islam preaches. As you know, these books all have similarities to the Quran, but there are some major differences which we consider the parts of corruption overtime.
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What about when some Muslims and certain posts on islamqa say Judaism was a religion of god? Do you think it could be a translation problem on Islamqa?
 
Ümit said:
@Constantineman
To give you som overview:
God was always present...from the first human Adam as untill the last...and He has been in touch with us on a regularly basis by sending prophets and by keeping us updated.
So the believe in the one true God was always there...but the earlier prophets might have had a slightly different set of rules than the prophets later on, because human kind has been developing since then and needed extra clarification on some subjects.
an example of this is forbidding alcohol because in Adam as time alcohol was not discovered yet...and you can not forbid something which is not even discovered yet. The same with homosexuality. before Prophet Lot, homosexuality never was a problem.

Every time people wandered off...started believing in other Gods, the original message got lost or deliberately got changed by humans or when humans needed an update, a new false religion was born. So God send a new prophet to guide them back to the one true religion. the old set of rules was then declared invalid and the new set of rules were valid.

So that is why almost all religions on Earth have something in common with each other, especially Christianism, Judaism and Islam. but since the come of Muhammed sas and brought the Quraan to us, every other religion on Earth is outdated and invalid.

in other words:
Muslims are just people who believe in the one true God...throughout the history, even before Muhammad sas...
Judaism and Christianity were once this true religion before people started to add innovation and changed rules that benefitted them.
Can Jesus as be called a Jew? no, because one of the very reasons why He was sent to Earth was because the Jews have already been wandered off the right path and have been adding to much innovation and changed their religion.
Jesus as came to Earth to guide those jews and pagans back to the true religion.

one other thing:
The Thorah is the holy book of the Jews which still contains some truth, but the Talmud, which is totally written by rabbies, is totally a human fabrication and therefore has absolute zero value.
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You say Islam existed before Muhammad and than you said Christianity and Judaism were never religions of god and then you say they were and then you say all religions are outdated, can you please clarify this issue? Also explain about al wala wal bara please.
 
Constantineman said:
What about when some Muslims and certain posts on islamqa say Judaism was a religion of god? Do you think it could be a translation problem on Islamqa?
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No, you didn't get it yet. Judaism and Christianity in the form as we know now is not from Allah. They have added innovations to their religion and it became a man made religion.
The original forms of Christianity and Judaism as Moses as and Jesus as taught us, WERE once a religion of God, but since the arrival of the Quraan, those religions became invalid.

It is not a translation problem.
 
Ümit said:
No, you didn't get it yet. Judaism and Christianity in the form as we know now is not from Allah. They have added innovations to their religion and it became a man made religion.
The original forms of Christianity and Judaism as Moses as and Jesus as taught us, WERE once a religion of God, but since the arrival of the Quraan, those religions became invalid.

It is not a translation problem.
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Islamqa says that how are Christianity and Judaism religions of God where Christianity is named after Christ and Judaism is named after the tribe of Judah, so how were they religions of god before?
 
Constantineman said:
Islamqa says that how are Christianity and Judaism religions of God where Christianity is named after Christ and Judaism is named after the tribe of Judah, so how were they religions of god before?
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Jesus as didn't name his religion after himself...nor did Moses as name his religion after his Juda tribe. those names came later on.
the true form of Christianity and Judaism were once religions of God...after all...both of them received holy books.
why would God send holy books for false religions?
they became false later on and then those names appeared.
 
Ümit said:
Jesus as didn't name his religion after himself...nor did Moses as name his religion after his Juda tribe. those names came later on.
the true form of Christianity and Judaism were once religions of God...after all...both of them received holy books.
why would God send holy books for false religions?
they became false later on and then those names appeared.
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What were the names of the true forms of Christianity and Judaism if they were later names and named after someone or something? Also Judaism as a side note is named after Judea, a place in Palestine. You also say Islam is there from the start of Adam so how can there be true forms of those two religions of Islam is the only religion?
 
Constantineman said:
What were the names of the true forms of Christianity and Judaism if they were later names and named after someone or something? Also Judaism as a side note is named after Judea, a place in Palestine. You also say Islam is there from the start of Adam so how can there be true forms of those two religions of Islam is the only religion?
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Hmm OK, I'll try to explain it again but in a different way:
The name of the true form of Christianity is Islam...and the name of the true form of Judaism is Islam.
Again, Islam was always there...from the very start...people wandered off and then came Moses as to guide them back to Islam and he gave them the original Thorah...people wandered off again, started to add innovations and changed their religion and even wrote their own holy book, the talmut and Judaism was born...So then came Jesus as to guide people back to Islam. He also gave his people a holy book the original Bible but people wandered off again, started to add innovations and changed their religion and Christianity was born...Then came Muhammed sas to guide everyone one last time back to Islam.

Hope you understand this time.
 
Ümit said:
Hmm OK, I'll try to explain it again but in a different way:
The name of the true form of Christianity is Islam...and the name of the true form of Judaism is Islam.
Again, Islam was always there...from the very start...people wandered off and then came Moses as to guide them back to Islam and he gave them the original Thorah...people wandered off again, started to add innovations and changed their religion and even wrote their own holy book, the talmut and Judaism was born...So then came Jesus as to guide people back to Islam. He also gave his people a holy book the original Bible but people wandered off again, started to add innovations and changed their religion and Christianity was born...Then came Muhammed sas to guide everyone one last time back to Islam.

Hope you understand this time.
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Form means condition. I understand a little bit what you are saying. So Christianity in its original form wasn’t called Christianity, it was called Islam and Judaism in its original form was called Islam. That sounds a bit confusing what you said because of the dictionary definition of the word form somewhat contradicts what you said. I don’t claim to be an expert in Islam or lots of things. I say average knowledge at most I do which is why I ask questions.
 
Constantineman said:
Form means condition. I understand a little bit what you are saying. So Christianity in its original form wasn’t called Christianity, it was called Islam and Judaism in its original form was called Islam. That sounds a bit confusing what you said because of the dictionary definition of the word form somewhat contradicts what you said. I don’t claim to be an expert in Islam or lots of things. I say average knowledge at most I do which is why I ask questions.
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where did I contradict myself? I think we are not exactly on the same page
 
Ümit said:
where did I contradict myself? I think we are not exactly on the same page
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It is confusing for me genuinely at times when hearing Christianity was true but not true anymore. This is not something I’m too well versed at.
 
Constantineman said:
It is confusing for me genuinely at times when hearing Christianity was true but not true anymore. This is not something I’m too well versed at.
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being confusing and contradicting yourself are two totally different things.
am I confusing you with my explanation or am I contradicting myself? and what part?
 
Ümit said:
being confusing and contradicting yourself are two totally different things.
am I confusing you with my explanation or am I contradicting myself? and what part?
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The statement is confusing to me. I want to make sure it isn’t a contradiction.
 

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