there was a challenge in another thread to prove the qur'an is not the word of god, but it put the burden of proof on the wrong person. the burden of proof is upon you to prove something, not on someone else to disprove. a defendent doesn't have the burden of proof the prosecuter does. therefore, i challenge you to prove the qur'an is the word of god.
Why doesn't these that has read part of the koran listen to those that has memorized it? It is so widely memorized, you say.
Well that is precisely the issue. Many Muslims today are not following the scholars.
Those that are preaching hatred and war, and that are encouraging people to suicide-bomb different targets.
Anyone preaching hatred and war is not a Muslim scholar. Can you provide examples, please?
From this, you seem to draw the conclusion that believing in the bible has somehow less faith than those believing in the koran. I cannot see that this is valid reasoning.
Neither can I, because I never drew that conclusion in the first place.
The reason why it is not a custom to buy the books other persons refer to is that if everybody did so they would end up broke.
Well, quality research is not cheap.
Norwegian.
Very interesting.
That is the problem with your logic. You use word repetitions that has accidentally been repeated the same number of times
This is the issue right here. Your only way of responding to the word repetitions is that they are an accident, i.e. coincidence. That may work for one or two of them, but after that the probability of such an occurance becomes so small that the argument no longer holds, especially when we consider major confirmations like the following:
With such a big number there is no way to argue coincidence.
If not, there is only opinions, all of it.
Arguing coincidence is possible, but arguing that it is subjective is not since these are concrete facts here and there is no interpretation necessary. I'm not making up an interpretation on how Dunya is connected to Aakhirah, they simply are two opposites, and the fact is they are both repeated exactly 115 times.
There is so many words in any language, let us say there are 5000 words in arabic(probably there are more) and each of them can be connected with 4999 others....
But that is clearly not the case here. If we connect random words the result will not be anything similar. Try it yourself. Flip through an arabic dictionary (or any dictionary if you want to keep this excercise general) and write down the words that you glimpse, into pairs:
furniture - question
jam - perfect
measure - cleaning
breathing - visa
There is no apparent connection in random words, certainly nothing like the connection between Dunya and Aakhirah. And Adam and Eesa have been described in the Qur'an to be alike in the sight of God, so it is actually logical when their names appear in the Qur'an the same number of times.
In a long text as the koran there is a larger possibility more words are mentioned and more patterns can be made...
No, that is not true as I pointed out to turin. If you study combinatorics and probability then you know that in a larger text the number of possibilties increases and the repetitions of words increase as well, making it less likely to find two that repeat an exact number of times.
If you write a sentence and it turns out that two words appear the exact same number of times, no one would consider it extraordinary. But if you write a book, and two words appear the exact same number of times, it would be more special, especially if the number of word repetitions was high.
I expect to be confirming more of the Qur'anic word repetitions soon, inshaa'Allah (God-willing), so you will see even more evidence.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
I think A person has to be completely blind to deny Allah swt Holy Quran
Now i ask any Nonbeliever of the Quran how can an illiterate man Come out with the scientific discovery we find today 1400 years ago about the universe expanding in the following verse.
"The heaven, We have built it with power. Verily. We are expanding it."
Ok now you might question the "We" , the We is actually a royal reference to I, as it was used in reference to other familiar faces as the Royal Family of england and any european royal bloodlines use the term We in reference to "I".
Just that phrase alone should keep anyone who questions the Quran , but these people still persist. Just curious whats the matter with you people?
Sorry editing to add alittle more,
Allah Almighty was very accurate in His claims in the Noble Quran. For instance, science proved that the metal "iron" was not created from earthly material or reactions. Iron was sent by burning stars traveling through space that had collided with earth! When those stars collided with earth and their melted metals cooled down and changed from liquid burned/melted metals to hard solid metals, they formed the metal of what we call today iron.
Let us look at Noble Verse 57:25 "We sent aforetime Our messengers with clear signs and sent down them the Book and the Balance (of right and wrong), that men may stand forth in justice; and We sent down iron, in which is (material for) Mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, unseen, Him and His messengers: For Allah is Full of strength, exalted in Might (And able to enforce His Will)."
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I_m_Tipu “If answer is yes then
Q2: Why did God send so many?”
The state of man is not static, nor has it been. That statement neither endorses nor disproves Islam.
Do you understand?
It might prove helpful to ponder why the Law came about.
Was it always here? What happened to make it necessary? What has happened since the Law was instated?
One of the finer points that may have gone unnoticed for you; The Law had a purpose. Grace has a purpose.
If your point is true that God didn’t get the Law right the first time so somehow we need to be lead back into a better version of it by Islam, what does that say about your opinion of God as a thinker/planner?
Mahdisoldier “For instance, science proved that the metal "iron" was not created from earthly material or reactions. Iron was sent by burning stars traveling through space that had collided with earth!”
If I understand your post correct you are stating that before the first impact on Earth, earth had no Iron. Is that correct?
i dont why somebody wud even ask this question.
its clear that the Quran is definitely the Word of God.
I mean, it is really the only book free of errors and full of guidance.
Mahdisoldier “For instance, science proved that the metal "iron" was not created from earthly material or reactions. Iron was sent by burning stars traveling through space that had collided with earth!”
If I understand your post correct you are stating that before the first impact on Earth, earth had no Iron. Is that correct?
Prove that to be reasonably true.
Thanks
Nomrod
what would be the purpose of this answer? For what reason what are you trying to prove?
If you dont want to go on it on a scientific level lets do it contradictory,
In the bible there are over 50 contradictions where in the Quran there is ZERO , Can you explain this?
I_m_Tipu “If answer is yes then
Q2: Why did God send so many?”
The state of man is not static, nor has it been. That statement neither endorses nor disproves Islam.
Do you understand?
It might prove helpful to ponder why the Law came about.
Was it always here? What happened to make it necessary? What has happened since the Law was instated?
One of the finer points that may have gone unnoticed for you; The Law had a purpose. Grace has a purpose.
If your point is true that God didn’t get the Law right the first time so somehow we need to be lead back into a better version of it by Islam, what does that say about your opinion of God as a thinker/planner?
Thanks
Nimrod
i m afraid u did not read carefully
But People changed the law of God after the death of Prophet and established their law…..why?...Bcoz it is the Satan (Evil) don’t want human to follow God law. He (Satan) convinces people to create confusion, close their open mind (etc, etc) and make them to change the law which is from God and make them to worship human or other thing (what is made by human but none) instead of God.
Then God Sent Prophets again with a better vision of his massage to restore the light and destroy the dark.
Thus God had being giving Massage to various Massagers to various nations.
God updated his law (better vision of His law) to the next Prophet and God had been continuing to do it until it is Completed or not needed.
In the name of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Better vision mean = better understanding vision to the people
also time after time when prophets came in different times
* people expanding their knowledge, different nation have different culture and language make the Law need to be better versioned
(It's my understanding Ofcouse Allaah Know the best)
U should remember
Basic is the same = worship one GOD
Allaah says Qur’an is the complete book of God (best & complete vision of God law) and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is the last and the best Massager of all. He is not for any nation but for the whole world.
The straight path that mention in Qur’ân for human being not for any nation but for the world
6:114
[Say (O Muhammad (SAW))] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allâh while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'ân), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth.So be not you of those who doubt.
6:115
and the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the AllHearer, the AllKnower.
18:109
say (o muhammad SAW to mankind). "If the sea were ink for (writing) the Words of my Lord, surely, the sea would be exhausted before the Words of my Lord would be finished, even if we brought (another sea) like it for its aid."
6:38
There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you.We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.
Prophet Muhammad[PUBH]
He was a man with a noble and exalted mission —and his unique mission was to unite humanity in the worship of the One and only God and to teach them the way to honest and upright living in accordance with the laws and commands of God. He always described himself as a Messenger and servant of God, as indeed every single action and movement of his proclaimed him to be.
The Encyclopedia Britannica calls him "the most successful of all religious personalities of the world."
Bernard Shaw said, "if Muhammad (pbuh) were alive today, he would succeed in solving all those problems which threaten to destroy human civilization in our times."
Thomas Carlysle was amazed as to how one man, single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades.
Napoleon and Gandhi never tired of dreaming of a society along the lines established by this man in Arabia fourteen centuries ago.
33:40
Muhammad (SAW) is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allâh and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allâh is Ever All*Aware of everything.
(Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).
The Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) observed: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me."
In 632 CE Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made a final pilgrimage to Mecca with over 100,000 of his followers, and gave his last sermon. He died a few months later at Medina.
Peace be to any prophets I may have mentioned above. Praised and exalted be my Maker, if I have mentioned Him. (Come to think of it praise Him anyway.)
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