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I am a Christian and I would like to participate. Since most of the arguments posted above are not real arguments at all and only pretend to be funny (number 21 for example) why don't we focus on the real arguments? Number 2 for instance is a good argument that most Christians agree with. Muhammad killed and killed many people. Jesus certainly didn't, not even to save his life. Who looks closer to our idea of a merciful God?
Salam.
That is why the death sentence exists, it is for those who do not repent and have committed an extremely sinful crime. At the same time you can use the same logic and say, if I did not sentence him and let him go free without any punishment, he will know that he cannot be touched and will likely do it again..And again...and again...format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
There is nothing that will stop innocent people from being harmed. That is not the point though, the law does not stop people from getting harmed, it GREATLY decreases the probability. We cant stop innocent people from getting harmed but we sure as well can try to decrease it. I mean really think about it. If no law existed and people were allowed to do what they wanted, with all the evil that exists in this world, dont you think you are going to have a much more chaotic world? Think about all these murderers and rapists in prisons being released.format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
If God was going to do our work for us then why did HE put us on this Earth? Life would not be a test anymore. God has given us the ability to punish the bad and reward the good and we should use it. Simply turning the other cheek believing that HE will stop all this from happening is not realistic at all.format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Peace.
islam is a religion. the reason why muslims still believe in islam is because of their faith in Allah, the only god. and it was never about the golden era where islam was a leading civilisation..
Chrsitians don't see Christianity has a religion but is a personal relationship with God
But dont you think it is not fair that you would be given such a gift while other wont?format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
but it is under religion universally.. islam is also about relationship with god..
I am not the only one with the gift of the Holy Spirit...format_quote Originally Posted by Cheb
Jesus tells us that anyone can recieve the gift...who ever ask, shall recieve.
I know lots of people who have it...
I've seen people recieve the gift of healing...be cured from cancer etc.
By your logic then every devout Christian is living a good and righteous life... I do not think that is realistic. I really doubt it is as easy as simply asking.
thanks for explaining...format_quote Originally Posted by nur86
I'm here to learn
im here to learn also.
format_quote Originally Posted by Cheb
If they were devout to God, then they would be living a good and righteous life..
Nothing is possible without God...it is God giving us the Holy Spirit that makes us devout Chrisitans, without him we are nothing and can do no good works..etc...we can't have change in our heart or be devout without the Holy Spirit.
It isn't me who says it is as smiple as just asking for this...it is Jesus who tells us to ask and all I can say is that it really does work.
Why would we ask Jesus (pbuh) and not God?
God is the ONE who put us on this Earth and HE is the ONE who has the power to do what you are saying.
well obviously cuz u can ask Jesus cuz that's wot christians believe
take care
what islamgyal said...well obviously cuz u can ask Jesus cuz that's wot christians believe
take care
Basicly we ask Jesus and Jesus because he is our intersessor and in direct communication with God...asks the Father.
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
yea that is tru cuz that wot christians believe where as muzlims dn't belive that as the say jesus is the messenger of god where as christians say that jesus is the son of god
(i hope i said that right)
take care
i have a question for you poster number one
Jesus said that whoever lives by the sword shall die by the sword ...did Muhammad die by the sword?
yes you didformat_quote Originally Posted by islamgyal
though you don't have to be a Christian to ask...anyone can, never mind what religion you are or even if you don't have a religion as such...because we are all Gods Children.
Salaam
care to explian?Gods Children.
Well am I poster number one? Depends how you measure it.format_quote Originally Posted by Andaraawus
Muhammed died from poison given to him by a Jewish survivor of Khaibar. I can see why a non-Muslim might think that was an example of someone doing just that. Or at least reaping what they had sown.
he did?Muhammed died from poison given to him by a Jewish survivor of Khaibar
It is what I heard. Of course I may be wrong.format_quote Originally Posted by nur86
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713:
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca . . ." (110.1)
Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of." 'Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand."
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 394:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
When Khaibar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophets as a gift (by the Jews). The Prophet ordered, "Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me." The Jews were collected and the Prophet said (to them), "I am going to ask you a question. Will you tell the truth?'' They said, "Yes.' The Prophet asked, "Who is your father?" They replied, "So-and-so." He said, "You have told a ie; your father is so-and-so." They said, "You are right." He siad, "Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?" They replied, "Yes, O AbuAl-Qasim; and if we should tell a lie, you can realize our lie as you have done regarding our father." On that he asked, "Who are the people of the (Hell) Fire?" They said, "We shall remain in the (Hell) Fire for a short period, and after that you will replace us." The Prophet said, "You may be cursed and humiliated in it! By Allah, we shall never replace you in it.'' Then he asked, "Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you a question?" They said, "Yes, O Ab Li-AI-Qasim." He asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?" They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you."
Volume 3, Book 47, Number 786:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle .
Sahih Muslim Chapter 17: POISON
Book 026, Number 5430:
Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the uvula of Aitah's Messenger.
Book 026, Number 5431:
Anas b. Malik reported that a Jewess brought poisoned meat and then served it to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)
format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth
My mistake, sorry..it is only Chrisitians that are the adoptive Children of God.
this might explain
Spirit of Adoption
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 ¶ And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Romans 8:14-17 AV)
117. Everybody that is led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
118. All Christians receive the Spirit of Adoption which gives them the right to call the LORD GOD their Father. The Spirit of Adoption is one of seven Spirits that rest on all Christians, through the Spirit of Christ.
119. The Spirit of Adoption allows Christians to call out to their Father LORD GOD and be heard.
If not for the Spirit of Adoption, the LORD GOD would be unable to hear your cries. If not for the Spirit of Adoption, the LORD GOD would be unable to accept you as His own child.
120. The Spirit of Adoption also talks to the spirit inside a Christian, and reassures him of his status as a child of God. This quiet witness of the Spirit of Adoption inside you allows a faithful confidence of your equal standing as a son of God.
121. As a result of the Spirit of Adoption's witness, Christians are able to claim their right to the inheritance of those things promised to the sons of God.
122. Through the Spirit of Adoption, the Christian receives the right to inherit jointly with Christ.
Those things given to Christ through inheritance, are also given to the followers of Christ, as they all are "sons of God." You have the same inheritance rights as Jesus Christ because you are also a son of God.
123. The Spirit of Adoption rests in you and joins with your spirit to witness to the LORD GOD that you are His Child.
The LORD GOD allows His Spirit of Adoption to rest in you through the Spirit of Christ because it is His Will to do so. The LORD GOD chooses you to be His child and to have all rights and privileges associated with that honored position. Praise Be to our Father!
Ephesians 1:5
He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will. Ephesians 1:5
hope this helps
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