Non Muslims and Quran

format_quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19

Im testing to see if they can bring any sort of proof against the truth?

Your are posting on an Islamic website. Even discussing these topics would lead to a ban in the end. If you are serious about this test, why not go to a Christian site or an Apostate one?

Besides, Muslims are not stupid, any more than Christians are. If there were "contradictions" in the Quran Muslim scholars would have noticed them years ago and explained why they do not appear to say what they appear to say. Just as Christians have done. There must be a reason for why the Quran gives two different lengths of time for the creation of the Earth. I do not know what it is, but I am not so stupid as to think it means the Quran contains an error.

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YUSUFALI: Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!
PICKTHAL: Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
SHAKIR: Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

Compared to,

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YUSUFALI: Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR: Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.

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YUSUFALI: He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
PICKTHAL: He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
SHAKIR: And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.

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YUSUFALI: Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
PICKTHAL: Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.
SHAKIR: Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.

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YUSUFALI: So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.
PICKTHAL: Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.
SHAKIR: So He ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and (made it) to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the Knowing.

Presumably Muslims just think God can multi-task.

Presumably Muslims just think God can multi-task.

Allah is All-Powerful and so He can do multi-task wats rong bout dat?:confused:

sum humans can do multi task such as watch da tele n do hmwk n lisen to music as well.

im NOT comparing Allah to humans.....but wat im tryin to say is dat as Allah is ALL-Powerful...u no wat it means!

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

Presumably Muslims just think God can multi-task.

*YAWN*
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal...contradictions
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal..._the_Universe/

format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

*YAWN*
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal...contradictions
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal..._the_Universe/

My point exactly. Whatever "contradictions" people might claim to find, Muslim scholars, just like Christian ones, have been there first and explained why it is as it is.

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

My point exactly. Whatever "contradictions" people might claim to find, Muslim scholars, just like Christian ones, have been there first and explained why it is as it is.

I do agree about Muslim scholars, but like mahdisoldier19, I know that Christians have a little more difficulty explaining away Biblical contradictions. No one disputes the fact that there are "scribal errors" in the Bible.

Regards

format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

I do agree about Muslim scholars, but like mahdisoldier19, I know that Christians have a little more difficulty explaining away Biblical contradictions. No one disputes the fact that there are "scribal errors" in the Bible.

Well most Christians argue that the Bible is "inspired" and so a few typos do not matter. But mainly, of course, scholars have worked on the Bible and they have not been executed or forced into hiding. So Christians have tended to stop denying that there are. Nonetheless scholars have explained away those errors.

More to the point, the Quran is Muhammed's main miracle. Jesus' Resurrection is the main point of Christianity. So an errror in the Bible means little as long as Jesus rose from the dead. An error in the Quran would be fatal for Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

007.054
YUSUFALI: Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!
PICKTHAL: Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
SHAKIR: Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

Compared to,

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YUSUFALI: Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR: Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.

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YUSUFALI: He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
PICKTHAL: He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
SHAKIR: And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.

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2+4=6

6 is the total number of days it took
2 days to create the world itself
4 days to add the rest of the things in

at least thats how i see it.

format_quote Originally Posted by cihad

2+4=6

6 is the total number of days it took
2 days to create the world itself
4 days to add the rest of the things in

at least thats how i see it.

Hey - no fair! You cut part of it.

007.054
YUSUFALI: Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!
PICKTHAL: Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
SHAKIR: Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

Compared to,

041.009
YUSUFALI: Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR: Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.

041.010
YUSUFALI: He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
PICKTHAL: He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
SHAKIR: And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.

041.011
YUSUFALI: Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
PICKTHAL: Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.
SHAKIR: Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.

041.012
YUSUFALI: So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.
PICKTHAL: Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.
SHAKIR: So He ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and (made it) to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the Knowing.

format_quote Originally Posted by j4763

Why not mention of the dinosuars in the quran (or in any holy book)?

Or, as I said, America? Or the fact that the Sun is at the center of the Solar System? Or that disease is spread by germs - think how useful that would have been.

God must have His reasons.

format_quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19

It seems heigou takes peoples interpertations and says OH CONTRADICTION! im sorry those are the peoples error not God. Its sad what people are up to these days

It seems no such thing as I am perfectly clear in my post that I do not think that any Muslims think there are any contradictions in the Quran. In fact what I am doing is the exact opposite of your claim - I say what appear to be Quranic contradictions must, in fact, have been explained by Muslim scholars and so they are not contradictions.

You will notice my only quote there is from the Quran without a human being's words in sight.

Now I can accept that you do not like me or my posts, but I think that basic decency requires you to be honest about what I say.