Non Muslims and Quran

[Mohsin]

OK, I'll be easy on you...

Number of creation days: 8 (Sura 41:9-12) or
6 (Suras 7:51; 10:3

So is it 6 or 8? Once you answer this I have many more questions..

Thank You.

Go here http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/839-alleged-contradictions-quran.html

The Number of Days Taken to Create the Universe- http://www.islamicboard.com/11727-post18.html

 

[renak]

Yes, I did mean that man alone wrote the bible. I am unitarian.

 

[Nicola]

Yes, I did mean that man alone wrote the bible. I am unitarian.

I see...I saw Christian on you profile and persumed you where one.

thanks for clarifying.
are you Biblical Unitarianism or Unitarian Universalism?

 

[sevenxtrust]

So who exactly is the author of the Quran?



AUTHORSHIP: It is difficult to even know who the author of the Quran truly is. Was it Allah (Suras 53:2-18; 81:19-24), or the holy spirit (Suras 16:102; 26:192-194), or Angels (Sura 15:8), or just the Angel Gabriel (Sura 2:97)?

Thank you for the answer to the amount of creation days, but what about this above question. I am awaiting your response.

Thnk You
SevenXtrust

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

So who exactly is the author of the Quran?



AUTHORSHIP: It is difficult to even know who the author of the Quran truly is. Was it Allah (Suras 53:2-18; 81:19-24), or the holy spirit (Suras 16:102; 26:192-194), or Angels (Sura 15:8), or just the Angel Gabriel (Sura 2:97)?

Hello sevenxtrust,
I refuted all of these allegations a long time ago. Please read the long list here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal/alleged_contradictions
As for the present allegation, I'll point out briefly then the Qur'an never says that anyone other than Allah was the author, not even in the verses mentioned.

 

[renak]

I see...I saw Christian on you profile and persumed you where one.

thanks for clarifying.
are you Biblical Unitarianism or Unitarian Universalism?

I am Unitarian Universalist, and yes it is a Christian sect.

 

[Maimunah]

I am Unitarian Universalist, and yes it is a Christian sect.

what exactly do Unitarian Universalist beleive in then?
i mean like is it same as catholic?
salaam

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

First, Adam and Eve were not identical to their descendants.

Presumably you men this in a different sense to that in which I am not identical to my parents, for example.

They were special in that they had the material within them for all future ethnic groups.

So were they human?

Second, due to the exceptional nature of their circumstances and condition, their immediate children were not bound by the same laws that future generations would be bound by.

That's amazingly convenient. Does Allah specifically mention this?

One reason some of us are curious to know when Adam and Eve existed is that that knowledge would make them a lot more credible. Imagine scientists told us that dinosaurs existed, but they didn't have any idea when. Wouldn't you then have doubts about whether dinosaurs existed?

It's related to the question of how old you believe the Earth to be. It would be interesting to hear some suggestions on that. Does the Qur'an give any information on it?

Peace

 

[anis_z24]

Salam,
do you know why many people are athesits, because their religion doesnt put science and faith together. and Islam does just that. thats why they will try to disprove the existance of God. because their religion proclaims the existance of God, and the followers are to follow with faith and nothing else to believe in.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Salam,
do you know why many people are athesits, because their religion doesnt put science and faith together. and Islam does just that. thats why they will try to disprove the existance of God. because their religion proclaims the existance of God, and the followers are to follow with faith and nothing else to believe in.

I can't make any sense out of this post. Could you perhaps elaborate?

Thanks

Peace

 

[Mohsin]

Greetings,


I can't make any sense out of this post. Could you perhaps elaborate?

Thanks

Peace

Lol, i can't either

 

[anis_z24]

Greetings,


I can't make any sense out of this post. Could you perhaps elaborate?

Thanks

Peace

Salam,
sorry***
I meant that many people become athesits because their religion tells them to believe, and that believe changes, science doesnt. ex. the Cathlics, when they killed people who believed that the earth was egg shaped,

-and that Islam is meant for all times and places,

 

[czgibson]

Greetings anis,

Salam,
sorry***
I meant that many people become athesits because their religion tells them to believe,

I don't have a religion, unless you count atheism as a religion (in which case it's a pretty strange one).

and that believe changes, science doesnt.

Science changes all the time - as new discoveries are made, theories are adapted.

ex. the Cathlics, when they killed people who believed that the earth was egg shaped,

I've never heard about this - it's very interesting, though - can you tell me more?

-and that Islam is meant for all times and places,

Maybe so, but surely it's fair to say that people's interpretations of it are liable to change?

Peace

 

[mahdisoldier19]

You didnt know about the Church that wiped out the christians in europe for believing the earth was round?

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

So were they human?

Yes they were human, but they must have been very different from us if their descendants were able to diversify into various ethnicities. Or perhaps some aspect of evolution/adaptation had a role here? God knows best.

That's amazingly convenient. Does Allah specifically mention this?

It's mentioned in the hadith that the son from one pair of twins would marry the daughter from another.

One reason some of us are curious to know when Adam and Eve existed is that that knowledge would make them a lot more credible. Imagine scientists told us that dinosaurs existed, but they didn't have any idea when. Wouldn't you then have doubts about whether dinosaurs existed?

I'm not sure I would, but at any rate I'll concede your point and suggest a range of 1 million to 2 million years ago.

 

[HeiGou]

You didnt know about the Church that wiped out the christians in europe for believing the earth was round?

Well no. There has never been a time when the Catholic Church as denied that the Earth was round. You are confusing this with Galileo's problems when he asserted that the Earth was not at the center of the Solar System. For which he was not burnt but placed under hosue arrest.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

People that believed in one God (instead of a tri-une one) however, they were burnt. Even by Protestants.

 

[root]

Yes they were human, but they must have been very different from us if their descendants were able to diversify into various ethnicities. Or perhaps some aspect of evolution/adaptation had a role here? God knows best.

Ansar, what kind of answer is this. Your making an assumption simply to fit the picture of your own belief? In my mind you have simply been backed into a corner and now playing your "get out of jail for free" card by stating "Allah knows best".

In your post earlier you stated adam and eve were different because they had "material" in them for future enthic divergance may I ask what is the material?

I'm not sure I would, but at any rate I'll concede your point and suggest a range of 1 million to 2 million years ago.

Can I ask how you arrive at these figures, surely they are not just "plucked" from thin air! and must have some logic that leads you to believe this. If the oldest recorded homo sapian (human) fossil found is 40,000 years ago and you state that humans were around 1 - 2 million years ago, why don't we see this in the "atomic clock" of our bodies. If science and Islam are harmonised why such a big difference in view between religous adam & eve with the scientific Mytercondrial eve and Y chromozome adam?

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Your making an assumption simply to fit the picture of your own belief?

Isn't that what I am being asked to do?

In your post earlier you stated adam and eve were different because they had "material" in them for future enthic divergance may I ask what is the material?

If I had known then I wouldn't have used a vague word like 'material'.

If the oldest recorded homo sapian (human) fossil found is 40,000 years ago

The keyword there is homo sapien. Homo sapiens have lived from around 200 thousand years ago. But then there are the other species within the homo genus which go back as far 2.4 million years ago. 'Species' like homo neanderthalensis and the recently discovered homo heidelbergenses don't really strike me as non-human, and in fact there has been debate as to whether they really are a seperate species from homo sapiens or are actually just a subspecies. Hence, they are sometimes referred to as Homo sapiens heidelbergensis and Homo sapiens neanderthalensis.

Regards

 

[justahumane]

Assalam Alaikam

Its strange and funny to see some of the Non muslims on this board say OH IF I SAID THIS ABOUT THE QURAN i would be banned. No you wouldnt i would LOVE to hear what you can try to put out on the Quran. There is not a single contradiction in the Quran. Or any areas of error in any established science or any aspects of life described in the Quran.

Now i would like to ask those non muslim friends, what can you possibly come up with against the Quran?

I believe that all religions are man made and all books on earth are man-written. According to muslim belief holy quran is word of ALLAH. It means that it must be true. I m giving translation of a verse of holy quran here,

3:110 Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Here ALMIGHTY ALLAH is refering to none other than muslims, declaring them the best of peoples, evolved for mankind. But when we see today's muslims, we see absolutely a different picture than what is told in the above verse. So my question is............

1. Is ALLAH lying?
2. If he is not, than plz give me justification of this verse, anyone?

Thanks.