If I am standing in front of the IBM headquarters building, and a fellow employee unknowingly asked me, "Is this your building, do you own this building?",
and then I replied, "This building is NOT MY OWN, but it belongs to the ONE WHO EMPLOYS ME",
this would clarify to the person asking that I AM NOT THE OWNER, I am just one of the workers. I do not own the building (Universe), the one I work for owns it.
Did Jesus (p) make such statements regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used?
WORDS
"Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's Who sent me." [John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father Who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]
WILL
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him Who sent me, and to accomplish His work.'" [John 4:34]
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent me." [John 6:38]
"...saying, 'Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done.'" [Luke 22:42]
POWER
"I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father Who sent me." [John 5:30]
"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one Who sent him." [John 13:16]
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you'. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" [John 14:28]
"Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.'" [John 8:42]
"To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." [Matthew 20:23]
KNOWLEDGE
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mark 13:32]
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only." [Matthew 24:36]
"So Jesus answered them, 'My teaching is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
STATUS
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven." [Matthew 7:21]
"And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape." [John 5:37]
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'" [Mark 10:18]
"And I do not seek my own glory; there is One Who seeks and judges." [John 8:50]
Some Christians (though not all) claim that Jesus (p) implied that he was God from the above verses - we see clearly that Jesus (p) denied being God. The God of Abraham in the Old Testament stated "I am God" over 200 times, yet (oddly) Jesus (p) never uttered those three words once in the Gospel. So we see from the many verses above that the House did not belong to Jesus (p), it belonged to the One Who sent him.
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
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i refuse to beleive any word from the bible, becuase it has been altered, and thats a fact...{/QUOTE]
You don't need to believe or read any word at all...the Holy Spirit leads you to the truth.
and why would GOD let Jesus die.....
This is why...from Isaiah God tells us He was going to die for our sins..(transgressions)
because. The blood scarifices that the Jewish priests used to do once a year with an unblemished young animal in the Temple ..The Holy of Holies this was not enough for the atonement of their sins...Jesus was the only one because he was sinless and Holy and he was Gods word made flesh, he payed with his blood and life for all our sins if we accept him.
Isaiah 53:5-7 (NIV) But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
Isaiah 53:12 (NIV) Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
ok so nicola, you established that jesus is not GOD, rather his WORD...? correct??
Gods word became flesh yes. And the word is God.
p.s, do you think JESUS 9p) was white?? or what nationality
I don't know what colour he was her on earth, but I've never thought of him being white.....I imagine a lovely brownish tanned colour..and Jewish.
I am quite shocked at how people still debate about the divinity of Christ, consumerist Christianity which has been repackaged throughout the centuries, and who’s definition currently falls in line with philosophy and science attempted to hijack the modern agenda, with the globalization of freedom and democracy hey presto Christ now lives inside every Christian and therefore your free to do what you like, does that not strike anyone as a coincidence? The Christian bible is NOT the word of god it is the product of mind it lacks any spiritual substance whatsoever as it was written by those who operate in dualism ie, personal opinions. Jesus Christ went from the "metaphorical son of god" to "metaphysical god the son" this is a product of pathetic preachers who have evolved the scripture to appease their own feeble minds, I can understand how this came to be judging by the media portrayal of Norman Kember anybody would think it was the second coming of Christ at Heathrow airport – OVER-GLORIFICATION. Jesus Christ never wrote down that he was god, I too could write a book about a mythical character from history but ultimately it would remain a myth like the candy man or snow white, the bible is nothing but an unauthorised biography.
Move on with your lives and I am sorry if I offended,
ok so when GOD created ADAM(p) he said be and he was.....
but ADAM was not GOD, he is a creation....created by his creator, that does not make you GOD....
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
if Jesus is son of God, then in case to have a child there should be sexual relationship between a woman and a man, so if Mary was the woman, and God the man, then he is not God, but if God created the son in Mary's womb , then it is not a child, but it is a creation. This needs just a little bit logic and it is seen so clearly that it just does not work.
ok so when GOD created ADAM(p) he said be and he was.....
but ADAM was not GOD, he is a creation....created by his creator, that does not make you GOD....
we are not talking about Adam here but we are talking about Jesus..
through Jesus Christ ( the Word ) did God create everything on earth..
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Through him ( the Word ( Jesus Christ ( Annointed Savior ))) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made..
God has always had a voice. so never was God disabled without His Christ.
i bring up ADAM , becuase ADAM is created, GOD said BE AND HE WAS !!
!BY WORD...
BUT ADAM IS NOT GOD....YOU SAY GODS WORD CREATES <(=--=
SO WE ARE ALL CREATED , THAT DOESNT MAKE US ALL GOD...
EARTH IS CREATED BY GOD, THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS GOD ..!!
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
[pie]<> We all know the Bible says 'God is One' and, "Thou shalt not have any 'gods' beside God."
Yet somehow today Christians are presenting a vast variety of terms and explanations on how God can actually be "One and Three at the same time."
Some attempt to resolve the issue by saying "Jesus is Lord!" or even "Jesus is God." (May Allah save us from any blasphemy, ameen).
<> According to the priests of the Holy Roman Catholic Church there is more to the belief in God than simply saying, "God is One."
<> Jews had no problem with the concept of "Unity of God."
<> The problem was with the Greeks and other pagans who had become quite used to the notion, that their 'gods' in some way resembled the creation around them.
<> Arius, the bishop from Egypt, like many of the early Christians, believed in God as One and Jesus, peace be upon him, as one subservient to God. That is to say, in a lessor position than God.
This concept is still held today by more than 1.5 billion Muslims, who adhere to the teachings of the Quran and the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
<> Simply put, "There is no God worthy of worship, except the One True God. He has no partners."
This aligns nicely with the belief of the early followers of Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon, peace be upon them all.
In an effort to resolve this issue once and for all, Emperor Constantine ordered the bishops from the different factions to assemble in His land.
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
well no actually... even if the Word had never came to earth the Word would still be God.. the Body of Jesus Christ has no play in the Jesus Christ being God.
think of it this way.. God created a capsul for his word to dwell in... kind of like a pill.. the out side is the shell but that isn't the medicine but the stuff that is inside it.
Prim3, there is really something that I don't understand, why sometimes christians say Jesus = son of god and GOD = father, and the other side they say 3 Gods in One, where one of the three is Jesus?
yea and, why didnt Jesus say this himself, why are people making stuff up on his behave, and putting words in his mouth??
he always said your god is one.......with no partners
and please do not quote anythign from an altered bible..
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
Prim3, there is really something that I don't understand, why sometimes christians say Jesus = son of god and GOD = father, and the other side they say 3 Gods in One, where one of the three is Jesus?
I would like a logical explanation
Jesus IS THE WORD.. The Body is where the Word dwelled in while He was on earth..
the Word is the Son of God.. in meaning that the Word is close to the Father. the Word is sitting on the right hand of God on the throne..
I am not looking where he stays, cuz as far as I can see you did not clarify what I asked for, you just explained to me that word is the jesus and he is the son of god where is stays near to him. But what about the other belief that says there are three gods in one, where the one in flesh (if I am not makin a mistake) is the Jesus, so it looks to me one side jesus is the son of God, on side he is the god in flesh (which is part of the trinity).
ok prime but this is obviously a important message,
im sure he would have said so......
by the way, how can GOD almighty...ok have begotten anything??
i mean i know you beleive in GOD correct, we beleive in the same GOD....
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
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