If I am standing in front of the IBM headquarters building, and a fellow employee unknowingly asked me, "Is this your building, do you own this building?",
and then I replied, "This building is NOT MY OWN, but it belongs to the ONE WHO EMPLOYS ME",
this would clarify to the person asking that I AM NOT THE OWNER, I am just one of the workers. I do not own the building (Universe), the one I work for owns it.
Did Jesus (p) make such statements regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used?
WORDS
"Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's Who sent me." [John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father Who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]
WILL
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him Who sent me, and to accomplish His work.'" [John 4:34]
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent me." [John 6:38]
"...saying, 'Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done.'" [Luke 22:42]
POWER
"I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father Who sent me." [John 5:30]
"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one Who sent him." [John 13:16]
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you'. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" [John 14:28]
"Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.'" [John 8:42]
"To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." [Matthew 20:23]
KNOWLEDGE
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mark 13:32]
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only." [Matthew 24:36]
"So Jesus answered them, 'My teaching is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
STATUS
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven." [Matthew 7:21]
"And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape." [John 5:37]
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'" [Mark 10:18]
"And I do not seek my own glory; there is One Who seeks and judges." [John 8:50]
Some Christians (though not all) claim that Jesus (p) implied that he was God from the above verses - we see clearly that Jesus (p) denied being God. The God of Abraham in the Old Testament stated "I am God" over 200 times, yet (oddly) Jesus (p) never uttered those three words once in the Gospel. So we see from the many verses above that the House did not belong to Jesus (p), it belonged to the One Who sent him.
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
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If Jesus was a man, he ate, breathed air, bled, he drank, how could he be God? He was a man. Correct? If he was God, how could he have been sent by the Father in heaven? Allah, taught his prophets to hear his words, which are just.So if he was listening to Allah, how could he be Allah? Makes sense to me.
there are many things that are really weird to think of. I am talking for myself for ex.
1.they carry the sins of Adam, and they say that when Jesus comes back on Earth he will take all children and they will go to heaven (he will take all little children that still don't have knowledge about God). How? They have not learned very well about the religion, so actually only thing they carry is the sins of Adam. How are they going to Paradise? They have sins, and still not have knowledge to believe in Jesus's sacrifise so that they can be saved?
2. they say that Jesus comes back and take children and good people too who believed in his sacrifice, but in the other hand they believe in Day of Judgement? If he comes on Earth and takes all children and people who believed in his sacrifice and sends them to paradise than who's left for the day of judgement? Isn't the day of judgement when God tells who's for paradise who's for hell - measuring the deeds??
3.Why nobody says that Adam is the son of God?? he was even more miraciolus than Jesus, he was created neither by father nor mother.
ok prime but this is obviously a important message,
im sure he would have said so......
by the way, how can GOD almighty...ok have begotten anything??
i mean i know you beleive in GOD correct, we beleive in the same GOD....
Because he is God and everything is possible for God.
Examples throughout scripture show us that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.
there are many things that are really weird to think of. I am talking for myself for ex.
1.they carry the sins of Adam, and they say that when Jesus comes back on Earth he will take all children and they will go to heaven (he will take all little children that still don't have knowledge about God). How? They have not learned very well about the religion, so actually only thing they carry is the sins of Adam. How are they going to Paradise? They have sins, and still not have knowledge to believe in Jesus's sacrifise so that they can be saved?
Are you talking about the rapture here?
2. they say that Jesus comes back and take children and good people too who believed in his sacrifice, but in the other hand they believe in Day of Judgement? If he comes on Earth and takes all children and people who believed in his sacrifice and sends them to paradise than who's left for the day of judgement? Isn't the day of judgement when God tells who's for paradise who's for hell - measuring the deeds??
3.Why nobody says that Adam is the son of God?? he was even more miraciolus than Jesus, he was created neither by father nor mother.
these things do not drink water at all
What many Christians believe is before judgement and the great tribulation..all Chrisitans who are alive then will be raptured up to heaven...leaving only non believers on earth, except for the two witness's...then all people will have a choice, whether to except the mark of the beast or Jesus as their saviour. But we are told in the Bible how hard it will be for the people who come to except Jesus then.
When Jesus returns 2nd coming...he will bring all his saints with him...meaning
Christians the ones who he raptured up and all the dead Christians he will awake. After the battle then will come judgement...and we will all be judged Christians also...and according to what they did on earth...they will be rewarded justly by Jesus.
I wanna know why Jesus had no father, it would make sense that his father is God because God made Mary pregnant. However sometimes things make sense and they dont at the same time. So I think yeah it makes sense... but Jesus was a man so how could he be God. Then that would mean Mary was God's wife... so that doesn't really work out either.
I mean God could just materialize into a man, or show some type of Godly face in the clouds.
One good point is my Christian friend told my the nature of love is sacrafice. And God came as Jesus to show us he loves us, by sacrificing himself. That sounds really nice and everything but it just makes me go "eeeehhhhhh," but how was he a man and God? And why not just forgive our sins anyways? Why does God have to suffer? God can't suffer right? Is that even possible?
And then it always comes down to "God can do anything, he's God." That's always the last argument I hear from my Christian friend, he's a real good guy. It just doesn't make any sense, but teh sacrifice bit really touched me. Actually not thinking God sacrificed, but that the nature of love is sacrifice, yeh, like that.
Dear brothers and sisters a Muslim should not pay heed to those versus of Bible which contradict even a single Verse of the Holy Quran and Sahih Hadith as Allah (SWT) Says in the Holy Quran "Say He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him" and it is my definite opinion that the Holy Bible is no more Holy Bible because the so-called believers of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) have been changing Its substance from time to time.
hammadj49, yes bro we know that, but we were just disscusing how the things in christianity really work which do not make sense for me and other bro.s
Nicola, not really about rapturing, but how is a child going to heaven when he has sins? Why should that child carry the sins because Adam (pbuh) dissobeyed God about the tree? And if you believe God is forgivener, if by your religious prespective God forgave Adam, then why are people still carrying his sins? What is the option for children who die before they are able to think about God, to go to heaven? If they have sins and they still go to heaven? then????? other bad people should go to heaven too, or God is not judging right?
What many Christians believe is before judgement and the great tribulation..all Chrisitans who are alive then will be raptured up to heaven...leaving only non believers on earth, except for the two witness's...then all people will have a choice, whether to except the mark of the beast or Jesus as their saviour. But we are told in the Bible how hard it will be for the people who come to except Jesus then.
When Jesus returns 2nd coming...he will bring all his saints with him...meaning
Christians the ones who he raptured up and all the dead Christians he will awake. After the battle then will come judgement...and we will all be judged Christians also...and according to what they did on earth...they will be rewarded justly by Jesus.
first, you're saying that they are raptured and sent to heaven, then raise from the dead, and then judge?
Asalamu-Alaikum.
My dear Christian friends why do you solely rely on one book which you know for a fact, has been tempered with, and put your own soul on the line for it? It isn't scientifically or logically clear or accepted.
If you love Jesus pbuh and his mother Marry pbuh, then please listen to both sides of thier story with an open heart. Atleast you owe them that much.
Asalamu-Alaikum.
My dear Christian friends why do you solely rely on one book which you know for a fact, has been tempered with, and sacrifice your own soul on the line for it? It isn't scientifically or logically clear or accepted.
If you love Jesus pbuh and his mother Marry pbuh, then please listen to both sides of thier story with an open heart. Atleast you owe them that much.
Al-Mu'min, some times you show facts, but if Allah swt don't wanna guide them, we're got get to 1000 pages of the thread trying to tell them and it's still notta gonna work, so we're gonna try and hope Allah swt will open their heart.
Well I really appreciate the Non-Muslim brothers and sisters in here. Atleast they care enough to discuss religion, and are willing to express thier opinions and convictions with people of different faiths. Some people just don't bother at all.
May God giude them and us, and whosoever is looking to get closer to his Lord and Creator. Ameen
hammadj49, yes bro we know that, but we were just disscusing how the things in christianity really work which do not make sense for me and other bro.s
Nicola, not really about rapturing, but how is a child going to heaven when he has sins? Why should that child carry the sins because Adam (pbuh) dissobeyed God about the tree? And if you believe God is forgivener, if by your religious prespective God forgave Adam, then why are people still carrying his sins? What is the option for children who die before they are able to think about God, to go to heaven? If they have sins and they still go to heaven? then????? other bad people should go to heaven too, or God is not judging right?
yes we all have that natural sin in us.. even children are sinners.... but childrens are protected underneith Gods protective wings.. childrens don't understand things and they rely on other people... even Jesus states: Matthew 18:2
you can't enter heaven unless you become like one of these little children and rely on your Lord.
Prime3, I understand you my friend, but for real this does not drink water to me, I can't think of a child with sin, which still has no clue what is happening in world.
Prime3, I understand you my friend, but for real this does not drink water to me, I can't think of a child with sin, which still has no clue what is happening in world.
we must all become like little children instead of us having our own selfish ambitions or relying on our ownselves we must become like little children and rely on God..
children are protected since they have that mentality of relying on someone but once they sin and they have doing under selfish ambition. like disobeying their parents.. then and only then are they knocked out of the protective wing of God...
we must all become like little children instead of us having our own selfish ambitions or relying on our ownselves we must become like little children and rely on God..
children are protected since they have that mentality of relying on someone but once they sin and they have doing under selfish ambition. like disobeying their parents.. then and only then are they knocked out of the protective wing of God...
Yeah but let's say for argument's sake that your biological father murdered five people and then died himself. So in order to preserve justice, the court finds you giulty of this sin that your father commited, and you are sent to jail for it. Does that make any sense?
What even makes much less sense is, when you blame a new born baby for a sin that was commited in the beginning of mankind!!
I would like to state that being Tempted does not mean that you sin.. Testing of the faith is good.. that is what satan did to Jesus.
He(satan) is the tempter of Jesus which Jesus overcomes the enemy
He( satan ) leads Judas to betray Jesus
He leads peter to deny Jesus
He Leads ananias to sin
His Prime target is you and me
Yes according to scripture to live is Christ and to die is gain. meaning we must live like Christ ( serve, take our scars, take our wounds, ect. ) and die is gain... wouldn't you agree to these statements?
Bismillah
With the statements that you put forth I only agree that the testing of faith makes one more fervent in it if we are steadfast.
As I have posted above, God cannot be tempted, by evil. It says that in the Biblical scripture, and Jesus (p) being tempted by the Satan to do evil is nonetheless, what a mortal, human being goes through. As the Bible puts it, Jesus (p) does not sin. However, my point is not that He sinned, but that He was tempted.
Do you agree that God can be tempted to do evil?
Regarding your last statements, to die for the sake of the One God, who has no partners and who has created everything there is...is in fact a major gain. However, to die for another human being and call him the creator is blasphemous and it is not a good state to die in. In fact, it is the worse.
Yeah but let's say for argument's sake that your biological father murdered five people and then died himself. So in order to preserve justice, the court finds you giulty of this sin that your father commited, and you are sent to jail for it. Does that make any sense?
What even makes much less sense is, when you blame a new born baby for a sin that was commited in the beginning of mankind!!
Bismillah
The "Original Sin" concept is another topic; however, it digresses from the fact that our Christian brother here is stressing that Jesus (p) called himself God. God incarnate.
The point is that the Bible also does teach that man is responsible for their own sin. The Almighty Allah will not place the burden of others on others who are innocent of some elses' deeds. Allah is just and all merciful.
Insha'Allah, if there is not a thread on Original Sin I will post one.
[QUOTE=PrIM3;231756]we must all become like little children instead of us having our own selfish ambitions or relying on our ownselves we must become like little children and rely on God..
children are protected since they have that mentality of relying on someone but once they sin and they have doing under selfish ambition. like disobeying their parents.. then and only then are they knocked out of the protective wing of God...[/QUOTE]
In keeping with the Biblical creed:"PROVE ALL THINGS!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
Yes, Jesus (p) said that none will enter into the Kingdom until we become like little children. It is allegorical, however, the point is like you said Prime. We must be humble rely on God and trust in HIM or created us.
Now your second paragraph jumps the gun. God protects us, he never forsakes us.
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