If I am standing in front of the IBM headquarters building, and a fellow employee unknowingly asked me, "Is this your building, do you own this building?",
and then I replied, "This building is NOT MY OWN, but it belongs to the ONE WHO EMPLOYS ME",
this would clarify to the person asking that I AM NOT THE OWNER, I am just one of the workers. I do not own the building (Universe), the one I work for owns it.
Did Jesus (p) make such statements regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used?
WORDS
"Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's Who sent me." [John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father Who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]
WILL
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him Who sent me, and to accomplish His work.'" [John 4:34]
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent me." [John 6:38]
"...saying, 'Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done.'" [Luke 22:42]
POWER
"I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father Who sent me." [John 5:30]
"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one Who sent him." [John 13:16]
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you'. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" [John 14:28]
"Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.'" [John 8:42]
"To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." [Matthew 20:23]
KNOWLEDGE
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mark 13:32]
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only." [Matthew 24:36]
"So Jesus answered them, 'My teaching is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
STATUS
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven." [Matthew 7:21]
"And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape." [John 5:37]
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'" [Mark 10:18]
"And I do not seek my own glory; there is One Who seeks and judges." [John 8:50]
Some Christians (though not all) claim that Jesus (p) implied that he was God from the above verses - we see clearly that Jesus (p) denied being God. The God of Abraham in the Old Testament stated "I am God" over 200 times, yet (oddly) Jesus (p) never uttered those three words once in the Gospel. So we see from the many verses above that the House did not belong to Jesus (p), it belonged to the One Who sent him.
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
Folks, there have been some good questions asked of the Christians folks by the Muslim folks on this thread.
I have been frustrated in my attempts to answer some of those questions (I set the first brick inplace yesterday to disarm some of the sources of those frustrations), as I am sure the Muslim folks have been as well.
This thread needs a different approach if we are ever to understand each other's beliefs.
That different approach should be strongly focused on this:
I will try my best to avoid the "well you are wrong because the Qur'an/Bible (Take your pick) say's" such and such.
Folks, there have been some good questions asked of the Christians folks by the Muslim folks on this thread.
I have been frustrated in my attempts to answer some of those questions (I set the first brick inplace yesterday to disarm some of the sources of those frustrations), as I am sure the Muslim folks have been as well.
This thread needs a different approach if we are ever to understand each other's beliefs.
That different approach should be strongly focused on this:
I will try my best to avoid the "well you are wrong because the Qur'an/Bible (Take your pick) say's" such and such.
Anyone with me?
Thanks
Nimrod
Peace Nimrod:
I agree with you. As a Muslim, I don't believe everything in the bible so quoting from it is useless, and vice versa for a muslim using arguments with Qur'an verses. Discussions should be based on logic and what our understandings are, regardless of how limited or excellent our knowledge may be. However, there are also times when quoting verses is necessary to show why we are applying that logic. But, I agree, saying, "Because my holy book says so" is not enough to be convincing.
Peace,
Hana
"Whoever is deprived of gentleness is deprived of all good" (Sahîh Muslim, Sunan Abî Dawûd)
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen, nor touched...but are felt in the heart.
-Helen Keller
I agree 100% yesterday I saw 2 questions and I was thinking about us asking questions to one another.. it then lead me to think about why are we asking these questions to learn something or to try to disprove someone.
I agree 100% yesterday I saw 2 questions and I was thinking about us asking questions to one another.. it then lead me to think about why are we asking these questions to learn something or to try to disprove someone.
Peace PrIM3:
Well, I think part of respectful discussions includes offering differing "evidences" to try to prove points or statements. However, once a discussion turns bitter or angry, it's time to end it as both sides would be too focused on being "right" and become defensive. At that point, it's best to end the discussion.
Peace,
Hana
"Whoever is deprived of gentleness is deprived of all good" (Sahîh Muslim, Sunan Abî Dawûd)
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen, nor touched...but are felt in the heart.
-Helen Keller
some of my muslim friends have told me that Jesus(PBUH) was thought to be the son of God 400years after his death in christianity. And that the jewish new that fact so they denied jesus. If you ask me, if Jesus was truly the son of god then it should of been written in Tura,Bible,and the Quran in a clear Fact.
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