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    Miracles and Facts about the Quran (OP)


    as-salaam alaykum

    Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground.2 So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century.

    Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth.4 They hinder the shaking of the earth. God has said in the Quran:

    And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you... (Quran, 16:15)

    Likewise, the modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.

    Could anyone during the time of the Prophet Muhammad have known of the true shape of mountains? Could anyone imagine that the solid massive mountain which he sees before him actually extends deep into the earth and has a root, as scientists assert? A large number of books of geology, when discussing mountains, only describe that part which is above the surface of the earth. This is because these books were not written by specialists in geology. However, modern geology has confirmed the truth of the Quranic verses.

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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

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    Iron is a Divine Gift to Humankind

    We have sent our Messengers with clear proofs, and sent down with them the Book and Balance, that mankind may observe justice; And We sent down iron, in which is (material for) mighty power, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, unseen, Him and His Messengers, for Allah is full of strength, Exalted in Might.
    (The Holy Qur'an, 57:25)

    The Holy Qur'an tells us that the iron was sent down to earth. Scientists have, only recently, come to discover the relevant facts about the formation of iron. Geologists believe that the entire energy of our solar system is not sufficient to produce even one atom of iron. Moreover, they state that four times as much energy as that of our solar system would be required to make one atom of iron on the surface of the earth. The geologists thus conclude that iron is an extraterrestrial material that was sent down to earth from some other planet.

    Who besides Allah could have such absolute knowledge/done such action, i.e. sending down iron to earth, which excels and encompasses all levels of human knowledge and might?? .!! For sure, no one can claim that.

    Can you give me a reference for that claim from the geologists?

    I think you have also misunderstood the basic science of the formation of Iron. Our Sun is on what is called the CNO cycle,

    C12 + 1H →N13 + γ +1,95 MeV
    N13 → C13 + e+ + νe +1,37 MeV
    C13 + 1H → N14 + γ +7,54 MeV
    N14 + 1H → O15 + γ +7,35 MeV
    O15 → N15 + e+ + νe +1,86 MeV
    N15 + 1H → C12 + 4He +4,96 MeV

    What that means is that an atom of carbon-12 is fused with a neutron to form the next heaviest element, Nitrogen-13, which spontaneously decays into Carbon-13 and some minor particle. Carbon-13 then fuses with another neutron to form Nitrogen-14. Nitrogen-14 fuses with another neutron to form Oxygen-15, which spontaneously decays for form Nitrogen-15, which in turn fuses with another neutron to form Carbon-12 and a Helium particle. So in all the process takes four hydrogen atoms and turns them into a helium atom. The energy needed to fuse carbon, nitrogen and oxygen is high and so the Sun cannot fuse heavier elements such as iron. If everything heavier than Iron did not come from the Sun, they must have come from elsewhere which would be another Sun which has turned supernova. So when our Sun formed, it swept up a lot of material blown into space by other Suns that had died some time previously. That was deposited on this planet when it was formed. The Earth has a mass of about 6x10^24 tons. Of which about 35 percent is iron by mass. So you can see that there is no way that this amount of iron came raining down in the form of asteroids - they would be no planet here for them to hit for one thing.
    Hey Heigou-

    - I just read through your response to the sister’s article about iron-

    Your response, is that suppose to be a rebuttal to what she has said?

    Or is it a case of putting down some chemical formulas trying to blind people with science, in order to shift the debate in your favour-

    Have you actually read the scientific extract that you have posted, if you’re forwarding it as a rebuttal, its obvious that you haven’t, or may have not understood it-?


    Sisters Article

    We have sent our Messengers with clear proofs, and sent down with them the Book and Balance, that mankind may observe justice; And We sent down iron, in which is (material for) mighty power, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, unseen, Him and His Messengers, for Allah is full of strength, Exalted in Might.
    (The Holy Qur'an, 57:25)

    You’re Article minus the formula for the chemical reaction


    If everything heavier than Iron did not come from the Sun, they must have come from elsewhere which would be another Sun which has turned supernova.

    So in what way does your response qualify as a sound rebuttal-?

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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    argument about the fingerprint - fingertips- read through the verse again and may be it might dawn on you!

    Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones?
    Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.


    perfect order of a fingertip- hmm, i wonder what that means?
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Soldier2000 View Post
    argument about the fingerprint - fingertips- read through the verse again and may be it might dawn on you!

    Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones?
    Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.


    perfect order of a fingertip- hmm, i wonder what that means?
    Still cant see finger print in the verse.

    How far up is the very tip of a finger? Some might say the last mm, which has hardly any print at all.
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    The resting place for the sun mentioned in the verse is refering to when the sun will rise from the west as a sign of the Day of Judgement.
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    format_quote Originally Posted by j4763 View Post
    Still cant see finger print in the verse.
    Still cant see finger print in the verse.
    Off course you cant!
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Soldier2000 View Post
    Off course you cant!
    Well then how does it have anything to do with the finger print... You know there's also a finger nail at the tip of ones finger too!
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    Greetings,

    These are just more examples of the familiar species of argument attempting to show that the Qur'an contains scientific facts well in advance of their actual discovery by scientists. To make this argument, proponents will normally give specious interpretations of their chosen text, in one case above we are seeing this with respect to the 'fingerprints' example.

    The Qur'an does not mention fingerprints in this verse, and it says nothing about fingerprints being a unique identifier of an individual. Therefore, to suggest that the Qur'an contains this scientific knowledge about fingerprints is absolutely unwarranted by the text.

    The 'scientific miracles' argument is so unconvincing that it is baffling that people still try to use it. The same argument could be made with respect to many other texts, as I've pointed out before when dealing with this subject, but no-one makes claims for the works of, say, Democritus and Aristarchus having been divinely inspired. In fact, since the 'scientific' statements in the Qur'an are usually very unclear (or as in the 'fingerprints' example, not even present in the text at all), and the statements of those Greek scientists are contrastingly clear and unequivocal, the Greek scientists have a stronger case. However, as I mentioned, no-one makes the case for the Greek scientists having been divinely inspired in view of their uncanny predictions of modern science, because such an argument would be superfluous given that there are alternative explanations that are much more likely viz. that they were simply very clever or lucky men.

    Surely it is time that the ludicrous 'scientific miracles' argument be laid to rest?

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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    Surely it is time that the ludicrous 'scientific miracles' argument be laid to rest?
    Why ? There are scientic miracles in the Qur'an.

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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Pagal Kuri View Post
    Why ? There are scientic miracles in the Qur'an.
    Did you even read my post?

    Perhaps you'd like to refute me point by point, rather than giving an assertion with no argument to support it?

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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    I agree with czgibson. This has gone to far.

    At best, we can say that it is interesting that the verse mentions the tips of the fingers and that it maybe indicates something. At best. To call it a scientific miracle is to overdo it, to say the least.

    It's gotten to the point were it has become silly. I'm not necesseraly refering to these examples.
    For instance, some people say that the verse in ar-Rahman:
    Ya ma'shar al-Jinni wal-Insi inistat'atum an tanfudhu min aqtari samawati wal-Ardi fanfudhu. La tanfudhuna illa bi-Sultan. (Oh assembly of Jinn and Men. If you can transgress the boundaries of the heavens and earth, then do so. You will not be able to do so without power.)
    refers to the space-rockets, when it's clearly talking about the day of Judgement and the fact that the people will try to escape it, but wont be able to since the Angels will be there surrounding them.
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    It's a miracle. A revalation from God:

    “Smiling in the face of your brother is charity … and pouring out from your bucket into your brother’s bucket is charity.”

    New revelation of the smiling face of mars.

    smile - Miracles and Facts about the Quran

    Sorce:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4902734.stm

    And of course the impact crator is like a "bucket" in that it could hold and contain mass just like a bucket.

    Let's all mail it around, Allah once again proves the Quran correct.......

    Yes, perhaps it is time to drop it!
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    HeiGou,
    Dude, u are argueing for nothing. infact you only seem to be supporting whatever you wrote out of sarcasm. Please abstain from it, and try to have an open mind.
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    Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

    Greetings Alam,

    First of all, welcome to the forum.

    format_quote Originally Posted by alam View Post
    HeiGou,
    Dude, u are argueing for nothing. infact you only seem to be supporting whatever you wrote out of sarcasm. Please abstain from it, and try to have an open mind.
    Would you like to show HeiGou where he's wrong? His posts seem perfectly fair to me.

    Greetings Pagal,

    format_quote Originally Posted by Pagal Kuri
    Oh yh soz Czgibson
    No worries.

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    Miracles in the Qur'an

    Since the kuffar(specially the athiests) like to talk about rationale and concrete proofs of the existence of a divine being and the Tauheed (Oneness of Allah), I have a very good proposition for them, and that is - Why don't you try reading the Qur'an(with an open heart) for a change? I mean...there a certain limit to absurdity, which unfortunately the kuffar have crossed way beyond by not accepting Islam. I am not asking the kuffar or the athiest to believe in Islam blindly. Submission to Allah's will completely is a higher step that the true believers and the people of Taqwaa have already aligned themsleves to. When it comes to solid evidences of the true nature of the beautiful religion that God has sent to us, there are plenty that the kuffar can look into and ponder about it(before their soul departs i.e.). Your first steps (through rationale) to freeing yourselves from being the fuel of fire.

    A man who was an Ummmi (pbuh) or a person who had no knowledge of reading or writing spoke words that made so much sense that people in the 20th century are confirming through their 'science' or their 'logic'. He(pbuh) spoke words as is some divine power was putting words in his mouth.
    SubhanAllah.

    Here's why -

    Allah shows his signs through these miraculous verses of Al-Qur'an

    1)

    THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
    The Qur'an draws attention to a very important geological function of mountains:
    We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them… (Qur'an, 21:31)
    The verse states that mountains perform the function of preventing shocks in the Earth. This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Qur'an was revealed. It was, in fact, brought to light only recently, as a result of the findings of modern geological research.
    Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists realised that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height. With these features, mountains play a similar role to a nail or peg firmly holding down a tent. For example, Mount Everest, the summit of which stands approximately 9 km above the surface of the Earth, has a root deeper than 125 km.24
    part1 10 01 1 - Miracles and Facts about the Quran
    Mountains have roots deep under the surface of the ground. (Press and Siever, Earth, 413.)part1 10 02 1 - Miracles and Facts about the QuranSchematic section. Mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Andre Cailleux and J. Moody Stuart, Anatomy of the Earth (McGraw-Hill Companies: 1968), 220.)part1 10 03 1 - Miracles and Facts about the Quran
    Another illustration shows how mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots. (Edward J. Tarbuck and Frederick K. Lutgens, Earth Science (USA: Macmillan USA: 1993), 158.)
    Mountains emerge as a result of the movements and collisions of massive plates forming the Earth's crust. When two plates collide, the stronger one slides under the other, the one on the top bends and forms heights and mountains. The layer beneath proceeds under the ground and makes a deep extension downward. Consequently, as stated earlier, mountains have a portion stretching downwards, as large as their visible parts on the Earth.
    In a scientific text, the structure of mountains is described as follows:
    Where continents are thicker, as in mountain ranges, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle.25
    Professor Siaveda, a world-renowned underwater geologist, made the following comment in reference to the way that mountains have root-like stalks attaching them to the surface:
    The fundamental difference between continental mountains and the oceanic mountains lies in its material... But the common denominator on both mountains are that they have roots to support the mountains. In the case of continental mountains, light-low density material from the mountain is extended down into the earth as a root. In the case of oceanic mountains, there is also light material supporting the mountain as a root... Therefore, the function of the roots are to support the mountains according to the law of Archimedes.26
    Furthermore, a book titled Earth, by Dr. Frank Press, former president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, which is still used as a text book in a great many universities, states that mountains are like stakes, and are buried deep under the surface of the Earth.27
    In other verses, this role of the mountains is pointed out by a comparison with "pegs":
    Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs? (Qur'an, 78:6-7)
    In another verse it is revealed that Allah "made the mountains firm." (Qur'an, 79:32) The word "arsaha" in this verse means "was made rooted, was fixed, was nailed to the earth." Similarly, mountains extend to the surface layer joining lines on and below the surface, and nail these together. By fixing the Earth's crust they prevent any sliding over the magma layer or amongst the layers themselves. In short, mountains can be compared to nails holding strips of wood together. The fixing effect of mountains is known as isostasy in scientific literature. Isostasy is the state of equilibrium between the upward force created by the mantle layer and the downward force created by the Earth's crust. As mountains lose mass due to erosion, soil loss or melting of glaciers, they can gain mass from the formation of glaciers, volcanic explosions or soil formation. Therefore, as mountains grow lighter they are pressed upwards by the raising force implemented by the liquids. Alternatively, as they grow heavier they are pressed into the mantle by the force of gravity. Equilibrium between these two forces is established by isostasy. This balancing property of mountains is described in these terms in a scientific source:
    G.B Airy in 1855 suggested that the crust of the earth could be likened to rafts of timber floating on water. Thick pieces of timber float higher above the water surface than thin pieces and similarly thick sections of the earth's crust will float on a liquid or plastic substratum of greater density. Airy was suggesting that mountains have a deep root of lower density rock which the plains lack. Four years after Airy published his work, J.H Pratt offered an alternative hypothesis... By this hypothesis rock columns below mountains must have a lower density, because of their greater length, than shorter rock columns beneath plains. Both Airy and Pratt's hypothesis imply that surface irregularities are balanced by differences in density of rocks below the major features (mountains and plains) of the crust. This state of BALANCE is described as the concept of ISOSTASY.28
    Today, we know that the rocky external layer of the Earth's surface is riven by deep faults and split into plates swimming above the molten lava. Since the Earth revolves very quickly around its own axis, were it not for the fixing effect of the mountains, these plaques would shift. In such an event, soil would not collect on the Earth's surface, water would not accumulate in the soil, no plants could grow, and no roads or houses could be built. In short, life on Earth would be impossible. Through the mercy of Allah, however, mountains act like nails, and to a large extent, prevent movement in the Earth's surface.
    We subjected the mountains to glorify [Allah] with him in the
    evening and at sunrise.
    (Qur’an, 38:18)
    He cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so it would not move under you, and rivers and pathways so that hopefully
    you would be guided.
    (Qur’an, 16:15)

    This vital role of mountains, which has been discovered by modern geological and seismic research, was revealed in the Qur'an centuries ago as an example of the supreme wisdom in Allah's creation.
    … [He] cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so that it would not move under you… (Qur'an, 31:10)

    2)
    THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
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    Everyone, including identical twins, has a unique fingerprint. In other words, people's identities are coded at their fingertips. This coding system may also be compared to the barcode system that is used today.

    While it is stated in the Qur'an that it is easy for Allah to bring man back to life after death, peoples' fingerprints are particularly emphasized:
    Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4)
    The emphasis on fingerprints has a very special meaning. This is because shapes and details on everyone's fingerprint are unique to each individual. Every person who is alive or who has ever lived in this world has a set of unique fingerprints. Furthermore, even identical twins having the very same DNA sequence have their own set of fingerprints.105
    Fingerprints attain their final shape before birth and remain the same for a lifetime unless a permanent scar appears. That is why fingerprints are accepted as a very important proof of identity, exclusive to their owner. The science of fingerprints has been used as a non-erring identity determination method.
    However, what is important is that this feature of fingerprints was only discovered in the late 19th century. Before then, people regarded fingerprints as ordinary curves without any specific importance or meaning. However in the Qur'an, Allah points to the fingertips, which did not attract anyone's attention at that time, and calls our attention to their importance. This importance has only been fully understood in our day.
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    The validity of the technique to establish identity by means of fingerprints (AFS) has been confirmed by various police organisations over the last 25 years and is a legally approved method. No technology of identity verification in our time gives such effective results as fingerprints. Using fingerprints to establish identity has been used in legal processes for the last 100 years and possesses international acceptance. “What is a Fingerprint?,” (www.ridgesandfurrows.
    homestead.com/fingerprint.html.)

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    In his book Fingerprint Techniques A.A. Moenssens analyses the way that each individual has a unique set of fingerprints:
    ... no two fingerprints from different digits have ever been found to match exactly. Andre A. Moenssens, “Is Fingerprint Identification a ‘Science’?,” (www.forensic-evidence.com/site/
    ID/ID00004_2


    3)

    THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
    gunesa 1 - Miracles and Facts about the QuranIt is stressed in the Qur'an that the Sun and Moon follow specific trajectories:
    It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)
    The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word "sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the Sun in space. The word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that it rotates around its axis and follows a course as it does so. The fact that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific trajectory is also stated in another verse:
    And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)
    These facts set out in the Qur'an were only discovered by means of astronomical advances in our own time. According to astronomers' calculations, the Sun moves along a path known as the Solar Apex in the path of the star Vega at an incredible speed of 720,000 kmph. In rough terms, this shows that the Sun traverses some 17.28 million km a day. As well as the Sun itself, all the planets and satellites within its gravitational field also travel the same distance.

    4)

    THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER
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    A satellite photograph of the Strait of Gibraltar.

    One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:
    He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through. (Qur'an, 55:19-20)
    This property of the seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force called "surface tension," the waters of neighbouring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.60
    It is interesting that, during a period when there was little knowledge of physics, and of surface tension, or oceanography, this truth was revealed in the Qur'an.
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    There are large waves, strong currents, and tides in the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. Mediterranean Sea water enters the Atlantic by Gibraltar. But their temperature, salinity, and densities do not change, because of the barrier that separates them.



    5)

    DARKNESS IN THE SEAS AND INTERNAL WAVES
    Or [the unbelievers' state] are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those Allah gives no light to, they have no light. (Qur'an, 24:40)
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    Measurements made with today's technology have revealed that between 3 and 30 percent of the sunlight is reflected at the surface of the sea. Then, almost all of the seven colours of the light spectrum are absorbed, one after another, in the first 200 metres, except for blue light (picture at left). Below a depth of 1,000 metres, there is no light at all (above picture). This scientific fact was pointed out in Sura Nur 40 in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.
    In deep seas and oceans, the darkness is found at a depth of 200 meters and deeper. At this depth, there is almost no light, and below a depth of 1,000 meters there is no light at all.61
    Today, we know about the general formation of the sea, the characteristics of the living things in it, its salinity, as well as the amount of water it contains, and its surface area and depth. Submarines and special equipment, developed with modern technology, have enabled scientists to obtain such information.
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    The picture to the left represents internal waves at interface between two layers of water of different densities. The lower layer is denser than the upper one. This scientific fact, declared in Sura Nur 40 of the Qur'an 14 centuries ago, has been discovered by today's scientists only very recently.

    Human beings are not able to dive to a depth of more than 70 meters without the aid of special equipment. They cannot survive unaided in the dark depths of the oceans, such as at a depth of 200 meters. For these reasons, scientists have only recently been able to discover detailed information about the seas. However, that the depth of the sea is dark was revealed in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago. It is certainly one of the miracles of the Qur'an that such information was given at a time where no equipment to enable man to dive into the depths of the oceans was available.
    In addition, the statement in Surat an-Nur 40 "…like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds…" draws our attention to another miracle of the Qur'an.
    Scientists have only recently discovered that there are sub-surface waves, which "occur on density interfaces between layers of different densities." These internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because deep water has a higher density than the water above it. Internal waves act like surface waves. They can break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be discerned by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given location.62
    The statements in the Qur'an run parallel precisely the above explanation. Certainly, this fact, which scientists has discovered very recently, shows once again that the Qur'an is the word of Allah.


    SubhanAllah these are just a few verses from the Qur'an. There are many more http://www.-----------------------/scientific_index.html
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    Excellent post subhana Allah! All we need to do is look at the whole world itself to know that Allah s.w.a exists! The most merciful, the most great & the most just!

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    format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah View Post
    Since the kuffar(specially the athiests) like to talk about rationale and concrete proofs of the existence of a divine being and the Tauheed (Oneness of Allah), I have a very good proposition for them, and that is - Why don't you try reading the Qur'an(with an open heart) for a change?
    Well I have done my best, but I do not buy the scientific miracle argument.

    I mean...there a certain limit to absurdity, which unfortunately the kuffar have crossed way beyond by not accepting Islam. I am not asking the kuffar or the athiest to believe in Islam blindly.
    I suspect that is exactly what you are asking, but why do you think it is absurd? Muslims have been ruling over non-Muslims too long. You have not had to think what it is like to be a non-Muslim or how to convince people Islam is true because you all have been able to compell. Calling me stupid is not a good way to start convincing me of the benefits of Islam.

    A man who was an Ummmi (pbuh) or a person who had no knowledge of reading or writing spoke words that made so much sense that people in the 20th century are confirming through their 'science' or their 'logic'. He(pbuh) spoke words as is some divine power was putting words in his mouth.
    You assume that "Ummi" means "illiterate". I would think it was a man who was sent to an "Ummah" myself. Why do you think it means illterate and do you have any examples of that usage before Muhammed's time?

    Allah shows his signs through these miraculous verses of Al-Qur'an

    THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
    The Qur'an draws attention to a very important geological function of mountains:
    We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them… (Qur'an, 21:31)

    The verse states that mountains perform the function of preventing shocks in the Earth. This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Qur'an was revealed. It was, in fact, brought to light only recently, as a result of the findings of modern geological research.
    Actually it is still not known to modern science. If you look at the regions of the world with lots of mountains, you will also find lots of earthquakes. This is not a surprise as mountains are caused by tectonic plates colliding together and raising the Earth - thus the Earthquakes. So, the Himalayas - lots of Earthquakes. The Andes? Japan? Wherever you find mountains you find a part of the Earth that is full of shocks - why are those mountains doing such a poor job? Notice that the Quran gets it not only wrong but back to front. Mountains not only do not prevent quakes, they are caused by them.

    Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists realised that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height. With these features, mountains play a similar role to a nail or peg firmly holding down a tent. For example, Mount Everest, the summit of which stands approximately 9 km above the surface of the Earth, has a root deeper than 125 km.24
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    Mountains have roots deep under the surface of the ground. (Press and Siever, Earth, 413.)part1 10 02 1 - Miracles and Facts about the QuranSchematic section. Mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Andre Cailleux and J. Moody Stuart, Anatomy of the Earth (McGraw-Hill Companies: 1968), 220.)part1 10 03 1 - Miracles and Facts about the Quran
    Another illustration shows how mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots. (Edward J. Tarbuck and Frederick K. Lutgens, Earth Science (USA: Macmillan USA: 1993), 158.)
    Actually as anyone can see from those pictures, mountains are not like pegs at all. Pegs are long and thin. They are like cow pats - they are much broader across than they are high or deep. So it is true that you can trace the structure of mountains deep into the earth - not a surprise as they are pushing up from below (and not being pushed down from above like a peg), but they are still not shaped like pegs at all.

    Mountains emerge as a result of the movements and collisions of massive plates forming the Earth's crust. When two plates collide, the stronger one slides under the other, the one on the top bends and forms heights and mountains. The layer beneath proceeds under the ground and makes a deep extension downward. Consequently, as stated earlier, mountains have a portion stretching downwards, as large as their visible parts on the Earth.
    Notice that this proves that Mountains do not stabilise the Earth but are caused by movements within.

    In a scientific text, the structure of mountains is described as follows:
    Where continents are thicker, as in mountain ranges, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle.25
    Professor Siaveda, a world-renowned underwater geologist, made the following comment in reference to the way that mountains have root-like stalks attaching them to the surface:
    The fundamental difference between continental mountains and the oceanic mountains lies in its material... But the common denominator on both mountains are that they have roots to support the mountains. In the case of continental mountains, light-low density material from the mountain is extended down into the earth as a root. In the case of oceanic mountains, there is also light material supporting the mountain as a root... Therefore, the function of the roots are to support the mountains according to the law of Archimedes.26
    Neat. But notice he does not use the word "peg". Because again as you can clearly see they are not like tent pegs at all.

    In another verse it is revealed that Allah "made the mountains firm." (Qur'an, 79:32) The word "arsaha" in this verse means "was made rooted, was fixed, was nailed to the earth." Similarly, mountains extend to the surface layer joining lines on and below the surface, and nail these together. By fixing the Earth's crust they prevent any sliding over the magma layer or amongst the layers themselves.
    Actually this claim is simply untrue. It is, as your quote above shows, the reverse of the truth and is a simple bare-faced, well, I won't use that word.

    G.B Airy in 1855 suggested that the crust of the earth could be likened to rafts of timber floating on water. Thick pieces of timber float higher above the water surface than thin pieces and similarly thick sections of the earth's crust will float on a liquid or plastic substratum of greater density. Airy was suggesting that mountains have a deep root of lower density rock which the plains lack. 28
    So not "arsaha" ("was made rooted, was fixed, was nailed to the earth") at all.

    Today, we know that the rocky external layer of the Earth's surface is riven by deep faults and split into plates swimming above the molten lava. Since the Earth revolves very quickly around its own axis, were it not for the fixing effect of the mountains, these plaques would shift. In such an event, soil would not collect on the Earth's surface, water would not accumulate in the soil, no plants could grow, and no roads or houses could be built. In short, life on Earth would be impossible. Through the mercy of Allah, however, mountains act like nails, and to a large extent, prevent movement in the Earth's surface.
    This is simply nonsense.

    This vital role of mountains, which has been discovered by modern geological and seismic research, was revealed in the Qur'an centuries ago as an example of the supreme wisdom in Allah's creation.
    … [He] cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so that it would not move under you… (Qur'an, 31:10)
    We have established that 1. the mountains are not firmly embedded and 2. they do not prevent the Earth from moving, but are in fact caused by it moving. You need a better sort of geologist to go over these texts.

    THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
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    Everyone, including identical twins, has a unique fingerprint. In other words, people's identities are coded at their fingertips. This coding system may also be compared to the barcode system that is used today.

    While it is stated in the Qur'an that it is easy for Allah to bring man back to life after death, peoples' fingerprints are particularly emphasized:
    Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4)
    The emphasis on fingerprints has a very special meaning.
    What emphasis on fingerprints? That passage above does not mention in any way shape or form fingerprints. Which were known to the Han Chinese by the way so even if it did it would not be guaranteed to be a miracle.

    However, what is important is that this feature of fingerprints was only discovered in the late 19th century. Before then, people regarded fingerprints as ordinary curves without any specific importance or meaning.
    In the 1880s in British India to be exact, but the Chinese knew about it a long time before then and it was a standard way of classifying convicts for instance.

    However in the Qur'an, Allah points to the fingertips, which did not attract anyone's attention at that time, and calls our attention to their importance.
    Points to but does not mention.

    SubhanAllah these are just a few verses from the Qur'an. There are many more http://www.-----------------------/scientific_index.html
    for those who base their belief merely on 'their' logic and 'their' reasoning.
    And they remain as utterly unconvincing as they always have been. Whatever reasons exist for becoming a Muslim, and I accept that there are some, these are not good ones.
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    Hello HeiGou,

    You assume that "Ummi" means "illiterate". I would think it was a man who was sent to an "Ummah" myself. Why do you think it means illterate and do you have any examples of that usage before Muhammed's time?
    It is quite clear from the Biography of the Prophet (peace be upon him) that he was illiterate, as can be understood from the Qur'an itself:

    [29.48] And you did not recite before it any book, nor did you transcribe one with your right hand, for then could those who say untrue things have doubted.

    The word 'Ummi' is used by Allaah Himself in the Qur'an. Not only this, but it was a sign by which the People of the Book would recognise Muhammad (peace be upon him), as the following ayah explains:

    [7.157] Those who follow the Apostle-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.

    Actually it is still not known to modern science. If you look at the regions of the world with lots of mountains, you will also find lots of earthquakes. This is not a surprise as mountains are caused by tectonic plates colliding together and raising the Earth - thus the Earthquakes. So, the Himalayas - lots of Earthquakes. The Andes? Japan? Wherever you find mountains you find a part of the Earth that is full of shocks - why are those mountains doing such a poor job? Notice that the Quran gets it not only wrong but back to front. Mountains not only do not prevent quakes, they are caused by them.
    Regarding the issue of mountains, this has been discussed in the following article, written by Dr. Zaghlool El-Naggar, who is a Fellow of the Islamic Academy of Sciences. Member of the Geological Society of London, the Geological Society of Egypt and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Fellow of the Institute of Petroleum, London. Prof. Naggar is the author/co-author of many books and more than 40 research papers in the field of Islamic Thought, Geology, General Science and Education. He was awarded by the Ministry of Education in Egypt the top “Secondary Education Award” as well as the seventh Arab Petroleum Congress Best Papers Award in 1970. Elected a member of the IAS Council (1994 and 1999), Prof. Naggar is currently working at the Arab Development Institute.

    http://www.islam-online.net/English/...rticle13.shtml

    I quote from the article:

    Lithospheric plates move about along the surface of the Earth in response to the way in which heat flows arrive at the base of the lithosphere (text-fig. 11), aided by both the rotation and the wobbling of the Earth around its own axis. There is enough geologic evidence to support the fact that both processes have been much more active in the distant geologic past, slowing gradually with time. Consequently, it is believed that plate movements operated much more rapidly in the early stages of the creation of the Earth and have been steadily slowing down with the steady building-up of mountains and the accretion of continents.

    ...

    The stabilization of lithospheric plates by mountains is effected by their sinking deeply into the zone of weakness of the Earth (the asthenosphere) as wooden pegs sink into the ground to stabilize the corners of a tent. Such a process of stabilization cannot take place without the presence of a viscous, plastic material under the outer rocky cover of the Earth, into which the mountains "roots" can float. In as much as the ship casts its anchor into the anchorage of a port to avoid the dangers of rolling and swaying by winds and waves, the Glorious Quran uses the term "Rawasi" (=moorings or firm anchors) to describe mountains. Such firm anchors do not only stabilize the lithospheric plates, but also the whole planet in its spinning around its own axis (nutation, recession, etc.).

    Actually as anyone can see from those pictures, mountains are not like pegs at all. Pegs are long and thin. They are like cow pats - they are much broader across than they are high or deep. So it is true that you can trace the structure of mountains deep into the earth - not a surprise as they are pushing up from below (and not being pushed down from above like a peg), but they are still not shaped like pegs at all.


    I'm not sure why you think a peg looks like "cow pat", though dictionary.com has quite a different definition:
    1. A small cylindrical or tapered pin, as of wood, used to fasten things or plug a hole.
    2. A similar pin forming a projection that may be used as a support or boundary marker.
    More about mountain stability, the following is taken from: http://www.quranicstudies.com/article49.html

    We asked Professor Sievada whether the mountains have a function in establishing the crust of the earth. He said that this has not yet been discovered and established by scientists. In view of the reply we researched and inquired about this and we found out that many geologists gave the same reply, except for a few. Among those few are the authors of this book, entitled “The Earth”. This book is considered as a basic reference text in many universities throughout the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press. He is currently the President of the Academy of Sciences in USA. Previously, he was science advisor to former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. What does he say in his book? He illustrates the mountains in a wedge-like shape where the mountain itself is but a small part of the whole whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground. Dr. Press writes on the functions of the mountains and states that they play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth. This is exactly how the Qur'an described mountains 14 centuries ago.


    Actually this claim is simply untrue. It is, as your quote above shows, the reverse of the truth and is a simple bare-faced, well, I won't use that word.
    So you think mountains are not fixed? Well last time I checked, they looked pretty still to me.


    format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah
    Airy was suggesting that mountains have a deep root of lower density rock which the plains lack.

    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
    So not "arsaha" ("was made rooted, was fixed, was nailed to the earth") at all.
    I don't follow that claim at all .

    This is simply nonsense.
    I would rather take the view of acclaimed scientists:

    The above-mentioned discussion clearly indicates that one of the basic functions of the mountains on land is its role in stabilizing continental masses lest these would shake and jerk, making life virtually impossible on the surface of our planet.

    http://www.islam-online.net/English/Science/2002/09/article13-b.shtml#33


    What emphasis on fingerprints? That passage above does not mention in any way shape or form fingerprints.
    Does not the tip of a finger hold a person's fingerprint?


    Which were known to the Han Chinese by the way so even if it did it would not be guaranteed to be a miracle.
    And how do you propose such knowledge reached an illiterate man living thousands of miles away, bearing in mind that the British only discovered fingerprinting from india in around 1858?


    And they remain as utterly unconvincing as they always have been. Whatever reasons exist for becoming a Muslim, and I accept that there are some, these are not good ones.
    While the Qur'an is not a science textbook, I believe it does have amazing connections with this field which some people only bend over backwards in attempts to deny.


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    Does not the tip of a finger hold a person's fingerprint?
    That all depends on where the tip is. I could say that at the tip of ones finger is a nail not a finger print.
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