Alot christian women and women of other faiths. See a woman walk down the street,
dressed in hijaab and abeyaah and instantly think to themselves look at that poor woman,
oppressed it to wearing those horrible clothes, her hair is covered .
Then thinking we are programmed in to wearing such clothing , and to cover our hair,
without even stopping to think maybe we like wearing this mode of dress,
That its just normal attire for us to wear.
Little do they realize they are the ones actually being programmed and brainwashed,
by the media and magazines and fashion houses they are actually being told what to wear and how they should look,.
During talking to my own family on this subject and my own experiances,
with also my family being christians and me being the only muslim in the household.
They have found it very strange that a person they loved and knew who ran after the latest fashion,
and modern haircuts to keep up with the fashionable trends and going out most of the time having a good time.
Had now changed and had turned a new corner in thier life embrassed Islam was covered up no longer wearing the fashionable clothes gone were the modern haircuts aslo, and was dressed in hijaab and abeyah, i must tell you they had a very serious shock.
When i was asked by them why was i doing this to myself and torturing myself with this attire i now wore they said be free wear what you want be the same as you were before little miss fashion.
My reply to them was look don't you know your the ones being programmed told what to wear even how you hair should be cut even to how thin or fat you should be is that freedom,they gave no reply just a look.(probably thinking i had gone mad)
I also said to them actually i feel more freer now i am covered because my life is not being dictated to by media in how to dress and ho, now i dress for Allah and according to islamic law .
My sister then asked me then how are you free ,i said look i am still me i have'nt changed .
Just i have faith in God and i am trying to obey his laws that he has commited me to do,
i am no longer running after fashion the most fashionable of hair cuts i know longer waste my time with going out and partying in clubs and bars and the more i learn about islam the more in love with it i fall i said to her before i was mis-guided now i am guided alhamduilah that i don't want that life any more that has no meaning having an empty heart and now its full with hope and love for God and because God loves me she thought i was crazy and still does.
My mother was not to happy and could not come to terms with this that her daughter could give up her life of modernization,
and was now sitting in her lounge dressed as she called it like a black bat,
because i was wearing black hijaab and abeyaah she asked me who had brainwashed me i laughed and said no one i just love Allah, she replied oh well this is just a passing phase your going through you will soon be back to your old self partying and the daughter i had before dressing as you did before.
Alhamdulilah i have neither changed i am still a muslimah my faith is alhamdulilah stronger than it ever has been Almighty Allah is keeping me on the straight path ameen.
So my saying is for those who think we are oppressed a little bit of poetry for you.
We are muslim women our hijaab(scarf) and our attire is what We require,
we are neither subjected to wear by force we are not oppressed,
may i stress we are muslim women we wear our attire because it's our desire,
and its what we require its the pride we wear for Allah .
We don't wear it for men.
we are not forced or subjected to wear its our choice and our attire,
so next time you see a woman of this dress just use your mind that we are not subjected and oppressed.
But take a long look at your own attire,
your skirts are short necklines too just take a long think how the media and magazines and fancy films glitter and balbels u try to keep up with and u say its us that are programmed and not you?.
are you sure about this???
For muslim women have not this desire just to cover and not be mans desire
A list would be too long, but the decisive criteria to determine whether a practice is cultural or religious is to see if it has its basis in the Qur'an or the Sunnah (teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh). If it does its religious.
Would information found in the hadiths be considered cultural or religious?
Would information found in the hadiths be considered cultural or religious?
Believing in the Hadeeth is part of Muslim's Eemaan and Aqeedah(basic creed).
So it is definitely religious.
The people who cry about freedom are slaves to their own desires. I am a slave of my Exalted and Merciful Rabb, Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Alhamdulillah
Well I for one will continue to doubt his words until they make sense and are presented in a manner consistent with truth, and free from hostility.
As for 'making sense' and 'consistent with the truth' you are entitled to your opinion. And I am not sure what gave you the impression of hostility.
For example, if you look at the link he attached to show where I made the statement, "And how do you think such women are looked upon by society", you will find that I did not say this statement on this post. This lead to much confusion for me. Therefore, the issue is not that I doubt "his" words; instead, his answers have caused further confusion, and questions.
I understand that you were confused because I took it from one of your earlier posts, but I was simply reminding you of what you said, since you seemed to have forgotten.
In addition, when I've asked for clarity, or deeper explanation; instead of an effort being made to offer up a different explanation, he issued insulting remarks and generalizations.
Really? Where did I issue these insulting remarks and generalizations? Please show me. Actually when I gave you an explanation you replied, "this sounds like a cop out to me" [*]
However, dialogue in this manner is counterproductive, and only makes one want to avoid the religion.
Of course productive dialogue must be done with mutual respect. I have no problem explaining the Islamic perspective on morality for those who wish to understand it. But when someone is trying to explain something to you and you call it a cop-out, don't expect the discussion to be very productive.
Would information found in the hadiths be considered cultural or religious?
As mentioned by cool_jannah, it is religious.
From this post, I take it that you have decided to refrain from answering my post?
Peace.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
I understand that you were confused because I took it from one of your earlier posts, but I was simply reminding you of what you said, since you seemed to have forgotten.
Ansar, please go back and look at the attachment you posted, which was your attempt at reminding me of what I "said". It is not there. In addition, I feel that our dialogue is futile.
The comment about your explanation being "a cop out" was a bit harsh and I apologize. I've read the thread from the beginning and feel that your explanations would be better suited for someone already immersed in the religion of Islam. I'm sorry if I sounded rude in some of my comments, that was not my intention. In order for me to accept and adhere to a belief I need to examine all aspects of that belief. By asking further questions it is my intention to gain knowledge, or clarify what was already presented. Further questioning is not my way of opposing or mocking specific beliefs.
do men have to see the outhside beuaty before the inside are we that vain ....( alhmdulilah my husband married me be cause i am beutiful on the inside ( but i am not ugly either so i am told) but see beuty of the face fades beauty of the heart stays) and the beauty of the heart shines out (noor)[PIE][/PIE]
no one ever heard what is covered and hidden is more beautiful than having all things on show so there is nothing to the imagination imagination is powerfull
Wow..... phew... took a bit of time to catch up on this thread...
From what I have learned so far, (correct me if I am wrong) the prophet Mohammed originally suggested the coveriung up of women not out of disrespect for women, but out of respect for them.
As I have heard, men do, whether we admit it or not, often have a deep desire to lust period.
I had understood it that in the old days of the time when Mohammed was around, most men would stare and gorp and women who were not covered.
Pretty mch the same as it is today for most men from all countries.
I found that this covering was originally more about protecting a woman from unwarranted sexual attention from lustign men who were out of control rather than it ever was about women being whores or dressing to incite sexual tension.
This is one thing about the Islamic faith that I think, (If I am right that is) most westerners do not really want to listen to but prefer to keep the misconception that Islam is a repressvie faith.
Personally I do not see Islam as that at all.
I think I can sort of understand why asian people could look at western women from an asian POV and see them as dressing like this to tease men, which is true a lot of the time, but to asssume that just because a woman has not covered herself means that she is deliberately trying to provoke a sexual response from a man is somewhat misguided in my opinion.
Many women just do not see it this deeply, whatever their faith.
Of course, most westerners probably think that the asian man has forced his wife to weare the full kit, but to be honest I think that this comes from a lack of understanding of the Islamic faith and a stupid media fed preconception that Islam is a faith to be feared, rather than a real mindset.
If asian Muslims were to be aware that we just dont do things the same way in the west, and that our culture is going through many changes all the time, maybe we could all learn to be more accepting of the other side.
For example, I think that the Koran lays out quite well that women are to be respected and looked after by men, not controlled and repressed.
The Bible says the same thing virtually in the same way.
Many asian Muslim women that I have spoke to feel that they like to cover, partly because they do not have men gorping and making them feel uncomfortable.
I think, regardless of our faith, we could all be walking into dangerous territory if either side assumes that a woman who is covered is controlled, or if we assume that all uncovered women are trying to provoke a sexual response from men.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but should we not all be looking at ways to live in better understanding and unity with each other, then maybe all of us would be coming closer to the true will of Allah?
Peace is good.
Chrsitians have very specific approaches to adornment aso, and have very specifc instructions about adultery.
For us, God advises against women dressing or adorning themselves in provocative manner because it can provoke a sexual response from a man, adultery can be commited by married Christians by just looking at another person lustfully, this is adultery of the heart and is not a good thing full stop, regardless of ones faith choice.
My view is that God makes it quite clear for both Muslims and Christians that havign these feelings for any9one other than your own wife / husband is a dangerous path to walk.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but should we not all be looking at ways to live in better understanding and unity with each other, then maybe all of us would be coming closer to the true will of Allah?
Peace is good.
Absolutely. Thank you for your post, Shocked. It was a pleasure to read and nice to see your open-minded perspective.
Regards
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
The Qur'an says women should dress in modest attire. It does not say women must be completely veiled as the women of Saudi Arabia veil.
This is what I thought all along, I do not think that the black, drab all over coverings we see in saudi are what the prophet was talking about. I just think he meant modest clothing because it was pretty laweless out there back then, and best not to draw attention out in the desert, my opinion is that things have changed now and modesty is still important in certain situations- like if you are outside late at night on your own, or if you are going to someones house, or church or mosque where you will offend people by not dressing modestly
I have a Muslim friend who wears a bandana over her cropped hair as form of hijab. She was told she's "going to hell" by a woman who only wore niqaab outside the house.
Oh mutual respect, where hast thou gone?!
"We are arrows, loosed into eternity." - Aleksandr Men'.
"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out..." - Paul McCartney.
shame on women who like to show their beauty to non-Mahram men.
Oh I am so ashamed.
Once again, mutual respect is tough to come by these days, as I see. It's all right for you lot to slander people all day long, as this thread has clearly demonstrated.
Shame on you right back, buster.
Last edited by Lush; 04-12-2006 at 01:51 AM.
"We are arrows, loosed into eternity." - Aleksandr Men'.
"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out..." - Paul McCartney.
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