Alot christian women and women of other faiths. See a woman walk down the street,
dressed in hijaab and abeyaah and instantly think to themselves look at that poor woman,
oppressed it to wearing those horrible clothes, her hair is covered .
Then thinking we are programmed in to wearing such clothing , and to cover our hair,
without even stopping to think maybe we like wearing this mode of dress,
That its just normal attire for us to wear.
Little do they realize they are the ones actually being programmed and brainwashed,
by the media and magazines and fashion houses they are actually being told what to wear and how they should look,.
During talking to my own family on this subject and my own experiances,
with also my family being christians and me being the only muslim in the household.
They have found it very strange that a person they loved and knew who ran after the latest fashion,
and modern haircuts to keep up with the fashionable trends and going out most of the time having a good time.
Had now changed and had turned a new corner in thier life embrassed Islam was covered up no longer wearing the fashionable clothes gone were the modern haircuts aslo, and was dressed in hijaab and abeyah, i must tell you they had a very serious shock.
When i was asked by them why was i doing this to myself and torturing myself with this attire i now wore they said be free wear what you want be the same as you were before little miss fashion.
My reply to them was look don't you know your the ones being programmed told what to wear even how you hair should be cut even to how thin or fat you should be is that freedom,they gave no reply just a look.(probably thinking i had gone mad)
I also said to them actually i feel more freer now i am covered because my life is not being dictated to by media in how to dress and ho, now i dress for Allah and according to islamic law .
My sister then asked me then how are you free ,i said look i am still me i have'nt changed .
Just i have faith in God and i am trying to obey his laws that he has commited me to do,
i am no longer running after fashion the most fashionable of hair cuts i know longer waste my time with going out and partying in clubs and bars and the more i learn about islam the more in love with it i fall i said to her before i was mis-guided now i am guided alhamduilah that i don't want that life any more that has no meaning having an empty heart and now its full with hope and love for God and because God loves me she thought i was crazy and still does.
My mother was not to happy and could not come to terms with this that her daughter could give up her life of modernization,
and was now sitting in her lounge dressed as she called it like a black bat,
because i was wearing black hijaab and abeyaah she asked me who had brainwashed me i laughed and said no one i just love Allah, she replied oh well this is just a passing phase your going through you will soon be back to your old self partying and the daughter i had before dressing as you did before.
Alhamdulilah i have neither changed i am still a muslimah my faith is alhamdulilah stronger than it ever has been Almighty Allah is keeping me on the straight path ameen.
So my saying is for those who think we are oppressed a little bit of poetry for you.
We are muslim women our hijaab(scarf) and our attire is what We require,
we are neither subjected to wear by force we are not oppressed,
may i stress we are muslim women we wear our attire because it's our desire,
and its what we require its the pride we wear for Allah .
We don't wear it for men.
we are not forced or subjected to wear its our choice and our attire,
so next time you see a woman of this dress just use your mind that we are not subjected and oppressed.
But take a long look at your own attire,
your skirts are short necklines too just take a long think how the media and magazines and fancy films glitter and balbels u try to keep up with and u say its us that are programmed and not you?.
are you sure about this???
For muslim women have not this desire just to cover and not be mans desire
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May I ask why you think it isn't the mans responsibility to deal with his lust, opposed to making the woman deal with it for him?
In Islam it goes for both. Men have to lower their gazes and women cover up. The resposibility lies with both. Naturally the female form is attractive to men. The pious men will lower their gazes in front of covered or non-covered women. But the immorals ones will sexually harrass non-covered women not the covered ones. If you cross a busy motorway and get hit by a car, who's fault it is? Your's for exposing yourself to that danger. So women exposing themselves infront of men and not expecting to be viewed as sexual objects are out of touch with reality. Like you said, "
I don't believe that humans can control their sexuality." So why expect men to control their urges if you're giving them an eyeful of what is naturally attractive to them.
I've yet to meet a muslim man (or any man) who lowed his gaze at any woman. Perhaps this is because I live in the USA. It may be true that the immoral muslim men may sexually harass the non-covered woman. If this is the case, I say bring it on big boy. You're in my country and you'll play by my rules.
By choosing not to cover myself I am not inviting danger. A man who is unable to control his primal urges is the danger. We are not animals, we are human beings with the capicity to reason and act accordingly.
I may be giving them an eyeful of what is naturally attractive to them. However, they are giving me an eyeful as well. They may be dressed casual, or in a suit...it doesn't really matter. If they are handsome and/or conduct themselves in a charming and confident manner, I will be attracted to them. Also, if they drive a luxury vehicle, which many muslims do in my area (lol), that may even attract me more. They know this.
You call men finding you attractive a postive response? How is that? They are not looking at you and seeing the nice person you are inside, or how intelligent or great you are.
Yes. An attractive person (male or female) will generally have greater chance of succeeding in the workforce, in an organization, and in life in general. I want a person to view me and look at the nice person I am inside, my intelligence, and my beauty. However, this is usually only necessary on the personal level. Also, there may be a few exceptions, but people, and men specifically, value the physical aspect of people. Men are more visual creatures than women. Read over the threads relating to "would you marry a handicapped person", etc..., most responses show the true nature of the men and women on this forum.
They are looking at you as an object of desire. They probably dont even want to know ur name but have sex with you anyway. A potential means of satisfying their own desires. Then they see the next woman and think the same about her and the next and God knows how many others in a day. So you are not unique like the woman in hijaab.
To them you're just another sexual thing as same as the next one.
Is that really how you want to be viewed? In the same catagory as those seen as nothing but sexual objects?
Well, you seem a bit insulting, but that's okay. I don't care if a man wants to view me as a sexual object. If they are ignorant enough to think that I will allow them to treat me like a -----, well, they are mistaken. I must admit that it is fun to toy with these disrespectful idiots (christian and muslim). I like to reject them and make them feel like the pond scum.
I also want to point out that I've been single the majority of my adult life. I can honestly say that whether I come in contact with a man online, in a work setting, at a church function, via relative/friends, or anywhere in public, the most sexually aggressive and disrespectful men are those who are active in their church/mosque. They complain that their wife is too conservative, doesn't take pride in her appearance, etc... This of course is insulting to their wife, and me of course. I of course do not date these men, but they are out there in great abundance. Unfortunately, I don't feel that the MAJORITY of men respect the pious woman, or any woman for that matter (when it comes to obtaining sex).
I feel so sorry for you guys, I went to a public Christmas carols on the beach just before Christmas. There were a few hundred people there. Everyone was smiling and happy. Kids were playing and lighting candles, we were all playin volley ball together, most of us still had our swimmers on, abd there was a lot of happiness and smiling. No-one felt intimidated, noone was "gawking" noone got attacked or raped. Everyone was just natural and having fun. You guys will never experience that- you are so shackled by your jealous rules. I just cannot immagine a God preferring to see people all serious and full of hatred, compared to this happy scene. I believe God made us to have fun, he made the smile an inegral part of our way of expressing our mood, and its so unnatural to hide it all away. I really do feel sorry for you, you miss out on so much in life, and its silly, because its so unlikely that God would have wanted it that way.
I feel so sorry for you guys, I went to a public Christmas carols on the beach just before Christmas. There were a few hundred people there. Everyone was smiling and happy. Kids were playing and lighting candles, we were all playin volley ball together, most of us still had our swimmers on, abd there was a lot of happiness and smiling. No-one felt intimidated, noone was "gawking" noone got attacked or raped. Everyone was just natural and having fun. You guys will never experience that- you are so shackled by your jealous rules. I just cannot immagine a God preferring to see people all serious and full of hatred, compared to this happy scene. I believe God made us to have fun, he made the smile an inegral part of our way of expressing our mood, and its so unnatural to hide it all away. I really do feel sorry for you, you miss out on so much in life, and its silly, because its so unlikely that God would have wanted it that way.
Salaam
Don't worry about us muslim we'll get what we deserve and so will you.
Thats the irony, I believe that I will get what I deserve and so will you as well. Only, I believe God intended us to have fun while we are in this life as well, I think he does have a sense of humour, why else would he make us have the instinct to laugh and have fun. Now, that is not consistent with a God who wants to ban everything that is fun.
Thats the irony, I believe that I will get what I deserve and so will you as well. Only, I believe God intended us to have fun while we are in this life as well, I think he does have a sense of humour, why else would he make us have the instinct to laugh and have fun. Now, that is not consistent with a God who wants to ban everything that is fun.
Yeah, you can ban that too, not a bad idea.
But seriously- how is it dangerous to smile? to listen to music, to dance, to laugh, How was it dangerous what we did on the christmas carols on the beach?
Yeah, you can ban that too, not a bad idea.
But seriously- how is it dangerous to smile? to listen to music, to dance, to laugh, How was it dangerous what we did on the christmas carols on the beach?
Yeah, you can ban that too, not a bad idea.
But seriously- how is it dangerous to smile?
It isnt. nor is it haram.
to listen to music,
Not dangerous as such, just not recommended (from what i've been told)
to dance
See above answer
to laugh,
Noone ever said that. Excessive laughter may be frowned upon - like hysterically.
How was it dangerous what we did on the christmas carols on the beach?
I don't believe it was...
In anycase, this is getting off topic. If you would like to discuss these issues i'd suggest creating a new topic - i'd be more than happy to attempt answers to them.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Well, we have to agree to disagree on that, I don't think Allah does or would command all the rules Islam says he does. But, you go ahead, its your life. But I do feel sorry for you.
well a muslim woman does have to cover her body so its not reaveling but the messanger pointed at two things which maybe left uncovered the face and the hands a man may not force his wife to wear it and also its not just in western countries that women are uncovering either but in the east also alot of western reverts cover fully i know i am one of those women but it seems the norm now for many sisters not even to wear hijaab even and man like a woman should keep his eyes down :rant: but some don't??
Well, we have to agree to disagree on that, I don't think Allah does or would command all the rules Islam says he does. But, you go ahead, its your life. But I do feel sorry for you.
is it not in the bible that women should be covered also ??????????
I feel so sorry for you guys, I went to a public Christmas carols on the beach just before Christmas. There were a few hundred people there. Everyone was smiling and happy. Kids were playing and lighting candles, we were all playin volley ball together, most of us still had our swimmers on, abd there was a lot of happiness and smiling. No-one felt intimidated, noone was "gawking" noone got attacked or raped. Everyone was just natural and having fun. You guys will never experience that- you are so shackled by your jealous rules. I just cannot immagine a God preferring to see people all serious and full of hatred, compared to this happy scene. I believe God made us to have fun, he made the smile an inegral part of our way of expressing our mood, and its so unnatural to hide it all away. I really do feel sorry for you, you miss out on so much in life, and its silly, because its so unlikely that God would have wanted it that way.
If you feel so sorry for us, why do you continue on refuting and disagreeing on everything we say. After all this is an ISLAMIC forum. Non-believers will never understand unless Allah puts guidance into thier hearts. These are our beliefs, like it or not. We are not about to change them just because you and some other people do not agree. Telling us you feel sorry for us is your opinion. But just remember this is an islamic forum and the majority of us feel sorry for you.
I dont believe its relevant, its best to be careful and never find yourself in a lonely dark alley or with the wrong relative on your own. Rapists go for opportunity, not how much skin is showing
now ur talking off the topic but i will answer u up untill the turn of the centuary christians themselves were marrying chikdren at 10 also in the jewish religion a child could be married at 3 years old and even today in some countrys in africa are gettng married at 10 years old also so with alot of western people going to tailand for sex with chikdren and u go back and talk about a beloved prophet .and his wife and no one knows the ages of alot of the other prophets wives
(Corinthians 11:5)
"But any woman who prays and prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head - it is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will not veil herself then she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil."
Women are never allowed to teach men:
(Timothy 2:12)
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."
Women are second class humans compared to men:
(Corinthians 11:3)
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
(Corinthians 11:7)
"For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man, for man was not made for woman, but woman from man, neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."
Women can't pray at Church:
(Corinthians 14:34)
The woman should keep silence in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is any thing they desire to know let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
quote from the bible or is it not the book of GOD with his orders inside it
. My point is, if that custom and rule can change, why not oher rules like dress etc?
we try to our ability follow the laws which Allah (god has sent down for u) and if u love God so much would u not try to follow those rukes and laws or r they to be broken??????
is it up to the creation to chose what to obey and what not to? when the rules are clearly stated from the creator? (in your case...)
hmmmm.. so basically you make your own rules?
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