how christian women view muslim women

I respect the woman who covers herself, and applaud her for trying to increase her respectability as a woman, and increase favor in the eyes of God. However, do not feel that I could be one of these women. Nor do I feel that I am viewed less favorably by men and/or God. I am somewhat of a slave to fashion, and love the positive response I receive from men when I am looking my best. Perhaps men are viewing me in a sexual manner. I believe that it is their weakness which allows themselves to succumb to sexual immorality. If they cannot view me as a woman who is not only comfortable with her sexuality, but also comfortable with her beliefs, then I really have no place for them in my life. It's called taking responsibility for ones actions.

In regards to me being programmed by the media, perhaps I am to an extent. However, I love looking great, and being attractive.

format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah

If I really love my wife..which I will Inshallah(cos im not married yet)..i would'nt want a single strange man to even look at my wife's beautiful face(forget about anyone daring to look at her in a sexual way). that is very impolite and immoral according to our standards.
Her beauty is not on display for unknown men or strangers to be looking at.
this is called real love. and trust me women who know the beauty of Niqab....they love it. it is something full of wisdom. orders of sharia are so beautiful..really it touches our hearts..and Allah, Subhanahu wa' Ta'ala tells us in the Qur'an about the nature of human beings. the rules of sharia are completely compatible with the nature of humans. whoever denies this is simply denying the reality.

Wouldn't the fact that you don't want another man to admire the beauty of your wife be a sign of jealousy? Is jealousy a sin in Islam?

I doubt that Niqab controls the desires of men. In all honesty, we are all sexual creatures. Men that I've known that were in the middle east for a long period of time tell that they developed sexual desires for fully clothed women. I don't believe that humans can control their sexuality. I for one will continue to use mine to my advantage. I really consider it no different than the little "indiscreet" love games and flirtations carried out by fully clothed women. Such flirtations are sexually rooted, and cause desire. It seems more honest to be upfront, and open about your sexuality. Just my two cents.....

If it makes you feel good to cover from head to toe, thats your business and good lusk to you. Personally, I don't thnk its necessary, and I really feel sorry that you van never see the beautiful smile of your loved ones anywhere but at home. A smile is one of societies greatest gifts to each other, and you deprive yourselfs of this and us. One of the fears that non muslims have of Islam, is it seems like such a drab, sad religion, partly because we never see you smile. If you love your life s much, why not show it? ITs like cutting off a puppies tail, so it cannot be wagged to show you are happy- but then again, even puppies are haram in Islam aren't they?

I don't think that they are disrespecting themselves by refusing to cover up. Instead, I view it as annoying the men who selfishly desire them for their own sexual pleasure. The men need to work this out between themselves and Allah.

Men are weak in regard to controlling their sexuality. This is not something that they should ignore. Instead of expecting someone else to take care their weakness (i.e. expecting women to cover up), they need to work on their own issues. By being unable to take responsibility for their own weakness, they are being lazy.

format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah

How can it be jealousy? Think about what you wrote. Jealousy comes into play only when YOU desire something for YOURSELF -"envious of someone else’s achievements or advantages". It is jealosy i guess but in a different way...its more protecting the honour and respect of my wife. and if you consider other men looking at your wife as an act of not being jealous toward that person then we definitely have definition problems as to what exactly jealosy is.


niqab does lessen the feelings of sexual desires amongst men..unless she is wearing a tight niqab...which wud be again forbidden. if you don't know who and what that person is inside the niqab..how can you develop feelings for her? its impossible. i don't see how can a person figure out whether the person inside is a 15 year old or a 50 year old or a mother of 6 children? it could be anybody.
i would even want my wife to wear gloves..so that nobody wud be able to see her beautiful hands either ..although it is not required in Sharia

It would make it more difficult.

However, I sometimes look at modestly covered people in public and visualize them naked. It doesn't matter if a person is covered or not, we all have sexual desire.
kay:

May I ask why you think it isn't the mans responsibility to deal with his lust, opposed to making the woman deal with it for him?

I mean if you want to share your wife/husband with other people..it is your personal choice no one is forcing you. It is really unfortunate to know that you have such opinions about desiring other peoples wives/husbands. I mean you have problem with us even if we keep our wives to ourselves...you want us to become like you? switching wives/husbands every other night?

Do you honestly think that alot of people do this? Do you know anyone that does this? If so, you are associating with the wrong people. Seriously, the stuff you see on TV is not real, for most people.

format_quote Originally Posted by i_m_tipu

Poor ...



can i ask u a question

why woman (non-covered) make them stylist, caring their skin, warring tiny dress, doing everything (what make themself silly (not sexy {my opinion}) enough to make other weak or cursed) etc etc etc (u know better than me, i guess) in the street , in the office, in the desert, in the stadium(cheering woman), in the Atlanta, in the movie, in the school, in the college (oh!! I am tried I must say etc now) etc to make other (mostly man I guess again) only simile???

I don't understand your question.

format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah

Its called being chaste and modest. Something lacking seriously in the western socities. I mean if you want to share your wife/husband with other people..it is your personal choice no one is forcing you. It is really unfortunate to know that you have such opinions about desiring other peoples wives/husbands. I mean you have problem with us even if we keep our wives to ourselves...you want us to become like you? switching wives/husbands every other night? (not that im personally talking about you renak)...we would definitely not want to share our wives with others. thats one of the reasons pork is forbidden in Islam. The food that you eat has an affect on your soul and your thinking. Thats why pork is haram in Islam. Do you know what a pig does in the night time? It switches its mate and goes around having sex with every other female pig. No offense but we don't behave like pigs.

what do you know about the nature of men? if a man does not have feelings for a woman in his heart..than that man would definitely want to get a check up from a doctor. Allah says in The Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:30


Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do.

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

In this verse the men are ordered first to lower their gaze..before the women. So it is clear that both sides have to put an effort in this regard

I'm not expecting anyone to change their views to suit me. I'm merely asking why men should not control their lust, and deal with their own weakness. Men are supposed to be stronger than women. This is should not be a hard request.

I do eat pork in great abundance. Let's not argue swine. I've raised them, slaughtered them, showed them in competition, and definitely have the advantage over your knowlege concerning this creature. I respect your opposition to swine. However, I want to assure you that my ample consumption of bacon and ham have not caused me to lead a swinger lifestyle.

What do I know about the nature of men? Well, it's true that I'm not a man, so I don't have the personal advantage. I do have a father, brother, cousins, son, ex-husband, and male friends, and I've dated many men. I also studied sexuality in college, and continue to do so on a regular basis. I think that most men would agree that they do not have to have feelings in their heart to fantasize, or even have sex with a woman. In fact, men are blessed with the ability to separate their emotions from their sexuality. If if a man was unable to separate his emotions from his sexuality, I would still expect him to take on the personal responsibility of dealing with his own weakness.

format_quote Originally Posted by i_m_tipu

but it is understanding that u people depend on animal in state of child
Bcoz u(many of u) don't have good relation with ur partner

We don’t allow to live like a Monkey but Human (the greatest ever creation)
And I will do love and do sacrifice for my partner and my children up to my level best InsAllaah.

If I am understanding your broken english, I think you are assuming that all westerners have poor relationships (strange assumption), and want to live like a monkey. If this is really what you are saying, well, you are a little bit rude. If not, then I have no idea what you are trying to say.

format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah

i seriously don't know what to say to you. i would consider that as your personal opinion..and at least not of the Christians in general..

“Tell the believers to lower their gaze.” (24:30)

“As for the one who feared the status of his Lord and controlled the desires of his soul then Paradise will be his abode.” (79:40-41)

“Indeed the hearing, sight and the heart - all of these will be questioned.” (17:36)

Hadith - Sahih Muslim 5372, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
I asked Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) about the sudden glance (that is cast) on the face (of a non-Mahram). He commanded me that I should turn away my eyes.

Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood, #4007, Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man should not look at the private parts of another man, and a woman should not look at the private parts of another woman.


The Noble Qur'an Al-Balad 90:8

Have We not made for him a pair of eyes?

The Noble Qur'an Al-Mulk 67:23
Say it is He Who has created you, and endowed you with hearing (ears), seeing (eyes), and hearts. Little thanks you give.

The Noble Qur'an Ghaafir 40:19

Allâh knows the fraud of the eyes, and all that the breasts conceal.

I appreciate the sayings above. However, could I not produce equal verses from the Quran which dealt with responsibility for ones own actions?

Actually this is my own opinion. But I would argue with anyone, regardless of their religion that they have sexual desires and fantasies. Some may choose not to admit to them, but they have them.

I also want to state that if I was in an islamic country, I would cover myself out of respect.

I also want to state that most western people do not understand the covering of women, and when islamic people are in western countries, they need to respect the dress of the people. If they wish to cover themselves, then that is great, just don't assume that women who choose not to cover themselves are whores with little self respect.

In the West, women are expected to take responsibility for their sexuality, and men are expected to take responsibility for their sexuality. I must admit that men have difficulty (if they even try...lol) to take this responsibility. Nonetheless, as long as I live in such a society, I will continue to display my feminine attributes for my advantage. I don't consider it sleazy or degrading; instead, I consider it smart. If I had a daughter, I would encourage her to do the same.

If a man were to ever lower his gaze at me, I would lower my gaze at him.