× Register Login What's New! Contact us
Page 2 of 2 First 1 2
Results 21 to 27 of 27 visibility 5473

The Sword of Christ

  1. #1
    brightness_1
    Jewel of LI
    Array Ansar Al-'Adl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    4,681
    Threads
    189
    Reputation
    16666
    Rep Power
    130
    Rep Ratio
    36
    Likes Ratio
    2

    The Sword of Christ (OP)


    The Sword Of Christ
    By Ali Ataie
    [Note from the Author: When reading this article, please keep in mind that as Muslims, we do NOT hold the following Bible verses regarding the beloved Prophet Jesus (Isa--peace be upong him) to be true. The points made, therefore, are only intended to expose the hypocrisy of the modern-day Christian Evangelical's claim that the Musim scripture advocates violence.]

    It is quite common to hear in the West the notion that Islam "was spread by the sword." Did you know that the word "sword" does not even appear in the Qur'an? It does however, appear in the Bible, 434 times!

    In fact the word sword appears in the Christian Holy Writ 114 times more than the word “peace.” The Old Testament, in particular, is riddled with stories of massacre and death. It certainly would not be out of line to characterize the Bible as an anthology of sex and violence. But what about the "meek and lowly" Jesus? Presented below are three passages in which the "Prince of Peace" calls for the sword!

    It's amazing how easily we are all conditioned to think in certain ways during our lives. To date, there has not been a single "Jesus movie" in which all three or even two of these verses were in the script -- including “The Passion of the Christ.” Certainly John 3:16 sounds much more inviting. But if this is what the Gospels present as the true Jesus, then why are the Christians so ashamed to provide us with accurate information?

    The answer is because as long as they are "catching fish," anything goes. A conversion to the worship of Christ is more valuable in Christian eyes than selling themselves out to lies and deceit. It is not uncommon to find Christian missionaries in the Middle East wearing Muslim garb, speaking Arabic, and sporting long Sunnah (prophetic) beards, all the while handing out Bibles in Arabic to children and claiming that it is the Qur’an.

    Passage One: “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a SWORD. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me” (Matthew 10:34-37).

    I will guarantee that if you were to examine all of the authentic sayings (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad, which number in the several thousands, you will never come across anything remotely as blatant as "I came not to send peace, but a sword!" Never mind the fact that Jesus also advocates the killing of rebellious children (Mark 7:9-10) and supports the amputation of limbs that offend God (Matthew 5:29-30).

    Passage Two: “For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY them before me. And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem” (Luke 19:26-28).

    Passage Three: “But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment, and buy one” (Luke 22:36).

    Obviously, the reaction of the Jews in Jerusalem was not what Jesus had expected. Although he longed to rule over his people, God's plan was different and Jesus never ascended into a position of power. The Christian contends that Jesus is here referring to a "spiritual sword!" Well, I suppose the garments in which we must sell are also spiritual. If the disciples sold their spiritual garments for spiritual swords then that would make them spiritually naked!

    Was it with a spiritual sword that Peter struck the servant of the High Priest’s ear off? When Jesus sees Peter do this, that is, when he sees Peter strike the servant with a sword that he (Jesus) told Peter to purchase in the first place, Jesus rebukes him (in Matthew).

    Why now? Because, the strategy has changed. Jesus did not expect to face trained Roman legionaries -- The Gospel of John is unique in identifying the band of men who accompanied the Jewish officers who arrested Jesus as a “speira;” a word that has a Latin origin and means “military cohort” or “detachment of soldiers”). It would have been total suicide for him to follow through with his Jihad (struggle).

    These events reportedly occurred on the Mount of Olives in the Garden of Gethsemane, after the Last Supper. Why did Jesus decide to go there, and not to the Temple of Solomon if he was just planning on "praying?" After all, the Temple was only a "stone's throw" from the Upper Room where they had just finished eating and singing hymns.

    Jesus goes to prepare for battle! He places eight disciples at the entrance of the Garden and then takes his three champion disciples, Peter the Rock, John, and James the "sons of Thunder" deeper inside to create an inner circle of defense. Peter, James, and John were all Galileans, and Galileans were renowned for two things: fishing and zealotry.

    They were the fighting Irishmen of their day! In Mark, the earliest Gospel, we are told that after the disciples tuck-tail and run, leaving Jesus in the lurch, a certain young man who had been following Jesus is seized by the officers but manages to slip out of his linen garment and escape “naked.” I don’t remember seeing this in Mel Gibson’s rendition.

    The reason is because this would have produced an instant burst of laughter from the audience that might have dampened the emotional hypnotism of the movie.

    Why can't Hollywood make a movie that presents what the historical Jesus might have been like? Why? Because money talks! They get some guy of German or Swedish descent to play a Nazarene Jewish man of two thousand years ago and the public eats it up.

    Can you imagine a Jewish actor with very Jewish physical features portraying Jesus?! There are American children who up until the age of puberty actually believe that Jesus' real name was "Jesus," that he was a white man with blue eyes, and that he spoke Queen's English!
    The Sword of Christ

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
    "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]


    Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE.
    Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

  2. #21
    Grace Seeker's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldskool
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    USA
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Christianity
    Posts
    5,343
    Threads
    52
    Rep Power
    123
    Rep Ratio
    43
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: The Sword of Christ

    Report bad ads?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Idris View Post
    I am not sure where you get your "facts" from but maybe you should read this.
    http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=43087&ln=eng
    According to that site the answer would be YES, Islam was spread by the sword:
    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/14):

    Islam spread by means of proof and evidence to those who listened to the message and responded to it, and it spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.

    And Allaah knows best.
    (emphasis mine)
    It seems to say that in Islam's view, taking up the sword was justified. But this discussion has never question anyone's motives for using the sword, just whether or not it was part of any religions modus operandi. I would have said it was not any more a part of Islam than it is of Christianity till you pointed me to this source. This source seems to both acknowledge its intentional use and then justify it within Islam.

    Is that what you wanted me to get from it?
    chat Quote

  3. Report bad ads?
  4. #22
    Trumble's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldtimer
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Buddhist
    Posts
    3,275
    Threads
    21
    Rep Power
    119
    Rep Ratio
    33
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: The Sword of Christ

    format_quote Originally Posted by Idris View Post
    I am not sure where you get your "facts" from but maybe you should read this.
    http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=43087&ln=eng
    Maybe you should read THIS. There is a huge difference between interpretations of religious passages and a complete denial of history.
    chat Quote

  5. #23
    wilberhum's Avatar
    brightness_1
    Account Disabled
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Seattle, Wa. USA
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    4,348
    Threads
    41
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    16
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: The Sword of Christ

    Islam spread by means of proof and evidence to those who listened to the message and responded to it, and it spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.
    What a great refference. I have to keep this one.
    chat Quote

  6. #24
    Abdul-Raouf's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    cageprisoners.com
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    India
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,323
    Threads
    351
    Rep Power
    116
    Rep Ratio
    50
    Likes Ratio
    8

    Re: The Sword of Christ

    Interestin article ...

    Jazakallah khair
    chat Quote

  7. Report bad ads?
  8. #25
    Malaikah's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldskool
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Swimming with thermus aquaticus in Yellowstone National Park
    Gender
    Female
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    6,351
    Threads
    101
    Rep Power
    134
    Rep Ratio
    44
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: The Sword of Christ

    format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker View Post
    It seems to say that in Islam's view, taking up the sword was justified. But this discussion has never question anyone's motives for using the sword, just whether or not it was part of any religions modus operandi. I would have said it was not any more a part of Islam than it is of Christianity till you pointed me to this source. This source seems to both acknowledge its intentional use and then justify it within Islam.

    Is that what you wanted me to get from it?
    From what I understood, Islamic rule spread to many places by the sword (in other words, it was only through war that countries became part of the Islamic empire). But as for the people converting to Islam and actually becoming Muslims, that was not done by sword (expect perhaps for a few isolated incidences in history, but that is not permissible anyway).
    The Sword of Christ

    wwwislamicboardcom - The Sword of Christ
    chat Quote

  9. #26
    Abdul-Raouf's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    cageprisoners.com
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    India
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,323
    Threads
    351
    Rep Power
    116
    Rep Ratio
    50
    Likes Ratio
    8

    Re: The Sword of Christ

    If u want to know about the Sword of Muhammad Nabi (SAS)

    The MYTH of Muhammad's Sword - By a Jew named Uri Avnery
    chat Quote

  10. #27
    wilberhum's Avatar
    brightness_1
    Account Disabled
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Seattle, Wa. USA
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    4,348
    Threads
    41
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    16
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: The Sword of Christ

    I still like
    Islam spread by means of proof and evidence to those who listened to the message and responded to it, and it spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.
    It speeks well to intollorance mixed with facts.
    chat Quote


  11. Hide
Page 2 of 2 First 1 2
Hey there! The Sword of Christ Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. The Sword of Christ
Sign Up

Similar Threads

  1. *!*the Sword Of Islam *!*
    By Khayal in forum Miscellaneous
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-25-2007, 06:10 PM
  2. The Sword Of Allah At Yarmuk...
    By - Qatada - in forum Islamic History and Biographies
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-03-2007, 05:13 PM
  3. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-16-2007, 11:01 AM
  4. *!* The Sword Of Islam *!*
    By Khayal in forum Miscellaneous
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-13-2007, 07:04 PM
  5. Mother Of The Sword
    By * Umm Sayf * in forum Introduce Yourself
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 06-21-2005, 11:37 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
create