what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

Dun have the bible infront of me...so i aint going to attempt to write verses from memory ...

but original sin is the sin that Adam (pbuh) committed....right?

And basically some people say that, this is why we have evil and suffering and that...ya know...


And yeah don't listen to me...I wouldn't know.

Original Sin

This is a term used to describe the effect of Adam's sin on his descendants (Rom. 5:12-23). Specifically, it is our inheritance of a sinful nature from Adam. The sinful nature originated with Adam and is passed down from parent to child. We are by nature children of wrath

format_quote Originally Posted by Ayesha Rana

Not so harsh bro. I'm not a child of wrath.ffended:

This is what original sin is, it's not me saying it i was just providing the information!

We are all in charge of our own sins, nobody will answer for anybody elses! And God would not have said this either!

Let me try and explain - as best I can - how I understand original sin.

When God created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, they were perfect in a perfect world. They were free from sin. Also there was no pain, illness, disasters, fights ... a perfect world ... you get the picture.
There was only one law: Not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

When Adam and Eve chose to go gainst God and eat the forbidden fruit, what they were actually doing was wanting to be like God: able to know good from evil. Rather than accepting God's authority and greatness, they challenged it.

As a consequence, they had to leave the garden of Eden, and live in the world as we know it: where life is not perfect, where there is struggle and toil, pain and hurt, wars and famine ...
In my mind it was like God was saying 'If you think you can do this without me, here's your chance!'

Adam's and Eve's original sin means that all of us have inherited a certain 'sin nature'. By that I mean the inability to fully obey God's laws. Try as we might, we cannot help breaking his laws.
Do you know anybody who is without sin/fault/failings? No matter how virtuous/religious/saintly anybody is - nobody can ever claim to be perfect in God's eyes.

The only person (Christians believe) to ever have lived without sinning, is Jesus.

Hope this makes some sense.

Peace.

thanks sis glo...makes it much easier to understand!

can u explain the second question plz? the diff between men and women in christianity? seen equally?

format_quote Originally Posted by helena

thanks sis glo...makes it much easier to understand!

can u explain the second question plz? the diff between men and women in christianity? seen equally?

Do you mean specifically in relation to Adam and Eve - i.e. Eve being blamed for leading Adam astray?

I will see what I can find, Helena. It may take a while though ...

Peace.

Sorry if I have kinda replied late, beter late than never. I guess.

format_quote Originally Posted by helena

Peace be upon u all....

peace be upon ya.

format_quote Originally Posted by helena

Can someone explain wot is meant by original sin? as i've studied in childhood that some believers believe that children are born with sins and when they enter this world they eventually become pure,as examples were given such as james bulger case...as some think does original sin exist?
but others believe including myself, we are born with pureness when we enter this world people start commiting sins.

This concept of 'original sin' can vary depending on the person you speak to, some hold it to be that all are born in a state of sin whilst others just say that we are more inclined to sin because of it.

I don't get what James Bulger, may Allah grant him paradise, as to do with it.

But the two kinda views that I see alot is either:

1. We are born sinners.
2. We are not born sinners but because of Adam and Eve's, may peace be upon them both and may they be immune from any lies attributed to them, sin we have 'inherited' this sinful nature, which means we are likely to all sin, except Jesus peace be upon him.

I like to agree with the second view, I mean from a Christian point, the Bible in some ways seems to state that, we are not straight up sinners but we suffer the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin, peace be upon them both.

Although I prefer it, this view seems to contradict some passages, from my understanding.

Anyhow I hope this might help:

Romans 5:

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned

Then

15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!

format_quote Originally Posted by helena

Also my second question is about Adam and Eve as i've studied in religious studies, did original sin start from there? because the fall of the eden...
therefore was eve blamed to tempted adam to have the apple? as i have studied in RE that because of eve tempted to have an apple, women are cursed by God thru child bearing, menstrul cycle, women are seen as a object in the society then equal amongst men....

and how are men and women are seen in christianity, equally? or are women subordiante to men?

Lol there are like 5 questions in one, aite, 'The Fall' as it is known did start there yes, that is where Adam and Eve, according to the Bible, were then Cursed and cast out of paradise.

Read this, it is what the Bible says G-d said to them individually:

To the snake:

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [a] and hers;
he will crush [b] your head,
and you will strike his heel."

This is also used as a 'prophecy' by some Christian with regards to Jesus coming to kill the devil or something.

To the Mother of Mankind peace be upon her, He said:

16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."

And to the Father of Mankind, peace be upon him, He said:

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."

'This account of 'The Fall' can be found in Genesis 3'

So we see that Biblically, alot of changes happened, from the easy life of paradise, Man and Woman were brought to another place of hardship and sorrow.

Also, just to be fair, yes Woman was cursed by G-d but so was Man and the Snake.

As for if women are seen equally?

As we have seen it was said to the Woman

Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."'

Also, in later parts of the Bible we see certain differences:

1 Corinthians 14:33

33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

This is a personal type of thing I have I told my church bout this yet they just their view from it, (wish they would turn the other cheek like that).

1 Timothy 2:

11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

I think maybe this is where some people went so crazy about blaming Women about 'The Fall' this kinda sounds harsh on the Woman.

1 Corinthians 11:

7A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

Ephesians 5:

22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

1 Peter 3:

5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers

I think it is kinda clear what the view point is:

Men are the 'head' of the family, and that the Women should be in submission to them. But at the same time, although some may claim that this means the man can do what he wants, the Bible also gives advice to the Men, to treat their wives with respect as the weaker partner and that they should be considerate towards them.

May The G-d of Adam and Abraham, keep His righteous servants immune from lies spread about them and bless them, their families and their followers.

Any mistakes are mine, and any good then Alhamdulilah.

Bible quotes taken from either NIV or KJV.

And this is my personal view, not that of any organisation or church, I would encourage you to look at other views aswell, provided that they are documented with evidences.

Salam Aleykum

What I never understood was about origenal sin:

Isn't it contradicting with free will? And isn't the absence of free will in it's turn contradicting with punishment and reward?
If God created man sinful, then how can he hold man responsible for his sins?

judaism does not have this belief. how could a baby be a sinner?
in judaism, at birth a person is all good (called "the good impulse". at the age of 13 of course he still has the good impulse but now he also gets a "bad impulse".
another thing i think is interesting is that jews don't regard "the bad impulse" as 100% bad. it is said that if not for the evil impulse no one would get married or build a house, etc.
lavikor, if i've made a mistake, please set me straight.
by the way, i like the fact that eve is not to blame in the qur'an. that's pretty cool.

very cool indeed Snakelegs

i thought christians believed that the original sin means that we all hav to pay 4 our predecossors sin IE Adam AS.... ???

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