Jesus Perfect God and Perfect Man?

**Idris** · 07-31-2006

The orthodox doctrine is logically impossible. As Huston Smith, scholar of comparative religion, points out, it would not have been logically impossible if the creed said that Jesus was somewhat divine and somewhat human. But this is expressly what the creed denies. For orthodox Christians, Jesus cannot possess only some human qualities; he must possess all. He must be fully human. At the same time, he cannot possess only some divine qualities; he must have all. He must be fully divine. This is impossible because to be fully divine means one has to be free of human limitations. If he has only one human limitation then he is not God. But according to creed he has every human limitation. How, then, can he be God? Huston Smith calls this a blatant contradiction. In his book The World’s Religions, he writes:

We may begin with the doctrine of the Incarnation, which took several centuries to fix into place. Holding as it does that in Christ God assumed a human body, it affirms that Christ was God-Man; simultaneously both fully God and fully man. To say that such a contention is paradoxical seems a charitable way to put the matter — it looks more like a blatant contradiction. If the doctrine held that Christ was half human and half divine, or that he was divine in certain respects, while being human in others, our minds would not balk. (The World’s Religions, p. 340).

Can Jesus be man and God?

No

God has his limits in doing Godly thing too.

**evangel** · 08-20-2006

Originally Posted by i_m_tipu

Why Jesus did never told anyone to Worship him.

Matthew 3:16-17
And when Jesus was baptized, he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on him;
and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."

Pronounced as the Son of God

Matthew 9:2
And behold, they brought to him a paralytic, lying on his bed; and when Jesus saw their faith he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven."

Who but God can forgive sins?

Matthew 9:28
When he entered the house, the blind men came to him; and Jesus said to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?" They said to him, "Yes, Lord."

Many times refered to as Lord

Matthew 10:18
and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear testimony before them and the Gentiles.

For His sake or in His name

Matthew 10:38-39
and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it

To be worthy as in worthy of the Lord

Matthew 11:27
All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

He alone came from heaven and upon His final return He will bring His flock

Matthew 12:7-8
And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.
For the Son of man is lord of the sabbath."

Quite the claim for just a man

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

His disciples recognize who He is. Eleven of the twelve apostles died as martyrs. Men do not die so readily for a fallicy.

Matthew 15:27-28
She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table."
[28]: Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly

Great was her faith in the master (God)

Matthew 16:15-16
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Again His disciples recognize who He is

Matthew 16:18-19
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

His church and who but God can give the keys of the kingdom of heaven

Matthew 16:27-28
For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.
Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

His angels, His kingdom

Matthew 17:5
He was still speaking, when lo, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him."

Stated for a second time

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

In the name of Jesus, in the name of God

Matthew 20:21
And he said to her, "What do you want?" She said to him, "Command that these two sons of mine may sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom."

His kingdom

Matthew 20:28
even as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

The big "Why?"

Matthew 21:13
He said to them, "It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you make it a den of robbers."

The house of worship was His house

Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory;
and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

His return with His angels. Do you have any angels? Me either.

Matthew 27:50-54
And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split;
the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe, and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"

Even a Roman sees Him for who He is

**evangel** · 08-20-2006

i_m_tipu
P.S. Sorry for the delay, I've been moving and had to photograph a wedding.

**evangel** · 08-21-2006

Originally Posted by Danish

God and Man have opposite properties

In the Bible it says we were created in His image. As a Christian I believe that God is a trinity of three parts that together form the one God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is the image Christians believe we are made in. We are Created as a trinity; soul, flesh and spirit. Our soul is the emotional and intellectual part of us, our flesh is our physical presence and our spirit is that part of us which is not of this world and is in communion with the Holy Spirit. In God no one part is better than another but the Father leads, the Son is our mediator and savior and the Holy Spirit is our guide and teacher. I strive to have my spirit lead because the other two parts have been tainted by this world.

Originally Posted by Danish

and therefore one cannot be 100% of both simultaneously.

You're right, He is 100% of all three at the same time. I am 100% of each; soul and flesh and spirit 100% of the time. It's which one leads that makes a difference.

**i_m_tipu** · 08-21-2006

Thanks for ur reply

You answering the post# 69
Read the entire post. There are some logics with questions. It can’t not be called good explanation if you just give the answer with a single thought.

This thread makes me interested.