I wonder if there is an answer to this question...
When you say (as John Chapter 1 says according to some Christians) that God became a man... what do you mean?
Do you mean that God was God, but then He became a man and now He's not God anymore...
Or do you mean God became a man, but He was still God?
If the second explanation is true, then what does that mean? The reason I ask is because God and man are two seperate things... For example God is immortal. No one can kill God. But man is immortal. Thats why he's a man. So if God became man, which was He? Mortal or immortal?
Really I am not trying to be tongue in cheek. Im just trying to discover what you mean when you say God became a man. Does that mean that God became man so He wasn't God anymore, or does that mean that god became a man and was still God and so when He cut off His fingernails He was cutting off little pieces of God? Because neither option makes sense or even seems to be possible... so is there a third option I'm not thinking about?
It has been answered. The Bible states that God is Spirit. He is Holy; therefore, He is the Holy Spirit. The Quran never mentions the Holy Spirit as the third person in the trinity but alludes to the trinity consisting of the father, mother and son, because of Allah's question to Jesus something to the effect "did you say take you and your mother as two gods besides myself?" (there's what appears to be Allah's understanding of the trinity) Allah did say, "say not three." All three were mentioned just in that one question to Isa.
So don't feel bad about not understanding the trinity; there is no indiction it was understood in the Quran. Christains believe there is one God. We believe Jesus is God's word made flesh. That is why Christians refer to Jesus as God incarnated. "God exaltes His word above all His name" as written in Scripture. After all, God cannot be greater than His word.
If any wants to know more than this, I prefer it continue to be a mystery like it has always been, but your question has been answered; you haven't accepted it. We believe God is one just like Jesus, Abraham & Moses did , but Jesus gave us a peek into how deep God actually is. His love and essence passes our understanding. We are not commanded to explain God's nature. How can infinite beings explain an infinite God? That is why all questions and comments in response to such a topic appear convoluted.
Last edited by Burninglight; 02-10-2012 at 11:54 PM.
So after going on a few chirstain forums and speaking about life after death and what happens etc, the general notion seems to be that NO chirstain is AT ALL concerned about what will happen- they are 100% sure they are going to achieve paradise- NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO ON THIS EARTH
WHAT A JOKE!
Seriously, how naive can they be? they know that in this life there is no such thing as a free lunch yet they expect a free lunch in the hereafter ? Come on!
they say that no matter how good we do it does not matter since Jesus died for our sins and we are good to go...
so I ask them, if Jesus has already shed his blood for you, what is your motive to do good deeds and forbid evil? EXACTLY, there is NONE what so ever.. why would you be laboring away doing good deeds when you have already been guaranteed paradise?
You might as well go about fornicating, fullfilling lustful desires, jerking of to images of lecherous woman, indulged in the aromas of alcholals and have swollen tummies full of swine while murdering a infant children with a dagger?
What is stopping you I ask? NOTHING, absolutely nothing... no amount of sin can forbid you from paradise since Jesus died for them already....
what a joke. seriously..do you not think or reflect about this at all?
Another false statement about Islam.
You keep on LYING.
You claim that you are "true biblical christian"
Does bible command you to keep lying?
Listen you are not the only Muslim that I correspond with. I am not a liar. Many Muslims tell me that they believe Jesus is he word of God, but they don't believe he is the word made flesh. They believe he was the word of God for his time as Moses was for his and so on. Calling someone a liar is rude to say the least. You are not being civil.
It is strange that you are a moderator
BTW, show me were I claimed to be a "true Biblical Christian." I never claimed that with my own lips. It is something you precieved on your own, and I simply accept that discription of yours in sounds prophetic! It is like you police everything I say to get me into an "I got situation" that doesn't make for good dialogue especially for one who is a moderator on the forum. If you PM about it, I would PM this to you but you publically called me a liar. I might be mistaken but I would never intentionally liar about Islam because I happen to have a profound respect for that religion and Muhammad its prophet in spite of what you say!
Last edited by Burninglight; 02-12-2012 at 02:14 AM.
Many Muslims tell me that they believe Jesus is he word of God, but they don't believe he is the word made flesh. They believe he was the word of God for his time as Moses was for his and so on.
You allege that Catholics have deviated and have infiltrated paganism into their faith but is this not what your denomination have also done? The paganistic concept of the trinity (which is NOT mentioned ANYWHERE in the Bible) and the worship of a man God were the practise of Pagans for thousands of years. On top of that Paul himself was a pagan who infiltrated paganistic concepts into Christianity thus going against the very teachings of Christ and the Bible which is to worship ONE God.
Last edited by Hamza Asadullah; 02-11-2012 at 11:48 PM.
You allege that Catholics have deviated and have infiltrated paganism into their faith but is this not what your denomination have also done? The paganistic concept of the trinity (which is NOT mentioned ANYWHERE in the Bible) and the worship of a man God were the practise of Pagans for thousands of years. On top of that Paul himself was a pagan who infiltrated paganistic concepts into Christianity thus going against the very teachings of Christ and the Bible which is to worship ONE God.
I have never promoted the term "trinity" and you are not using the term "infiltrate" correctly in your sentence
I have never promoted the term "trinity" and you are not using the term "infiltrate" correctly in your sentence
You never seem to actually respond directly to any questions posed to you. You just seem to pick out a sentence and make a pointless comment about it. What is the use of having a discussion with you if you are going to keep doing that?
You never seem to actually respond directly to any questions posed to you. You just seem to pick out a sentence and make a pointless comment about it. What is the use of having a discussion with you if you are going to keep doing that?
My comment was not pointless and why should I share my heart when many critcize me for it. I am playing it safe for now. I don't feel the Lord is leading to say any more. Just ignore me if my comments are pointless to you and I'll stop responding. I don't know what else to say. Everyone can blast me and what I believe, but I can't say anything without being called a liar and without sincerity; do you look at what one moderator says about me?
My comment was not pointless and why should I share my heart when many critcize me for it. I am playing it safe for now. I don't feel the Lord is leading to say any more. Just ignore me if my comments are pointless to you and I'll stop responding. I don't know what else to say. Everyone can blast me and what I believe, but I can't say anything without being called a liar and without sincerity; do you look at what one moderator says about me?
Only God knows what is in ones heart but what i am commenting on is your actions. When a person responds to you and puts the effort in to make a thorough post then you do not seem to respond to the whole post, but in a subtle way you disregard the majority of it and pick out a sentence from the whole post and make a pointless statement about it.
It is fine if a person does this here and there but you seem to keep doing it. That is what i have been observing from you. I dont mean to offend you but i do find it quite insincere.
Only God knows what is in ones heart but what i am commenting on is your actions. When a person responds to you and puts the effort in to make a thorough post then you do not seem to respond to the whole post, but in a subtle way you disregard the majority of it and pick out a sentence from the whole post and make a pointless statement about it.
It is fine if a person does this here and there but you seem to keep doing it. That is what i have been observing from you. I dont mean to offend you but i do find it quite insincere.
Not all Muslims seem to believe that God knows what is in ones heart, by what I am accused of; so apparently some are taking on the job of Allah when judging my comments. You should have been able to just subsitute opinion or comment for heart to understand the point I was trying to make in response to you. Instead of addressing the reason I gave for posting the way I do, you bring up an irrevelant comment about how God only knows what is in the heart. We all know that and it goes without saying. WADR, you are doing what you accurse me of. I have 254 posts on the forum. Find a few post that show me being insincere or evasive for the purpose of deception so I can see an example of what you're referring to.
Last edited by Burninglight; 02-12-2012 at 09:21 PM.
Not all Muslims seem to believe that God knows what is in ones heart, by what I am accused of; so apparently some a taking on the job of Allah when judging my comments. You should have been able to just subsitute opinion or comment for heart to understand the point I was trying to make in response to you. Instead of addressing the reason I gave for posting the way I do, you bring up an irrevelant comment about how God only knows what is in the heart. We all know that and it goes without saying. WADR, you are doing what you accurse me of. I have 254 posts on the forum. Find a few post that show me being insincere or evasive for the purpose of deception so I can see an example of what you're referring to.
What i meant by insincere is that when you are debating and discussing with a person then surely you should answer all of their points rather than just pick up a statement and make an irrelevant comment about it. My point is that it is fine if a person did that once or twice but you seem to keep doing it and that is why i decided to take it up with you directly. If you want a proper discussion with people then at least acknowledge what they have written "wholly" rather than just selectively. Thank you for understanding and i apologise to you if i caused you any offence.
What i meant by insincere is that when you are debating and discussing with a person then surely you should answer all of their points rather than just pick up a statement and make an irrelevant comment about it. My point is that it is fine if a person did that once or twice but you seem to keep doing it and that is why i decided to take it up with you directly. If you want a proper discussion with people then at least acknowledge what they have written "wholly" rather than just selectively. Thank you for understanding and i apologise to you if i caused you any offence.
Actually, I consider you to be civil. You have to realize that I am being addressed sometimes by several people at one time. I simply cannot keep up with the dialogue as much as I want. Another thing is people are sensitive, and I have to be careful what I say, because I don't want to offend anyone myself. I feel that I have already, and I am always on the edge here. I realize this is a Muslim forum, and I am the odd ball on it!
Now, with that being said, tell me what particular question wasn't answered by me, and I'll go through the pains to do that for you in deference to your wishes. Maybe I should change my name to "The Offensive One"
Peace
Last edited by Burninglight; 02-12-2012 at 09:21 PM.
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