Response to a stubborn disbeliever

**- Qatada -** · 08-19-2006

Question:

Did you know your religion was founded and developed by Catholics? I know Muhammad was your Christ, but let me tell you friend the God you know is not the God of Gods but the Devil of Devils.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

We do not wish to respond to slander in kind, but we will answer you, you disbeliever, with quotes from the Word of God (the Qur’aan), if you even believe in the existence of God.

O disbeliever, we debate with you in the words addressed by Allaah (the Arabic name of the One True God) to the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and the disbelievers. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary) was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word (‘Be!’ – and he was), which He bestowed on Maryam, and a spirit created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Three (trinity)!’ Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allaah is (the only) One (God). Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of Affairs.”

[al-Nisa’ 4:171]

“Say: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allaah, and in (the revelation) which has been sent down before (us), and that most of you are faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient [to Allaah])?”

[al-Maa’idah 5:59]

“How can you disbelieve in Allaah? Seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will give you death, then again will bring you to life (on the Day of Resurrection) and then unto Him you will return.”

[al-Baqarah 2:28]

“… whosoever disbelieves in Allaah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away…

Verily, those who disbelieve in Allaah and His messengers and wish to make a distinction between Allaah and His Messengers (by believing in Allaah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, ‘We believe in some but not in others,’ and wish to adopt a way in between,

They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment.”

[al-Nisa’ 4:136, 150-151]

O disbeliever, do you think that you can do any harm to Allaah by your disbelief? Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… But if you disbelieve, then unto Allaah belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, and Allaah is Ever Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all praise.”

[al-Nisa’ 4:131]

You will only increase in hatefulness and loss in the sight of Allaah, you disbeliever, for you are one of the worst of living creatures, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, the worst of moving (living) creatures before Allaah are those who disbelieve, - so they shall not believe.”

[al-Anfaal 8:55]

O disbeliever, are you not going to die? Or do you doubt that as well? Do you know what your position will be when you die, if you die in a state of disbelief? Listen:

“And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelief (at death), they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): ‘Taste the punishment of the blazing Fire.’”

[al-Anfaal 8:50]

O disbeliever, woe to you from what will happen to you on the Day of Resurrection! Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… so woe to the disbelievers from the meeting of a great Day (i.e., the Day of Resurrection, when they will be thrown in the blazing Fire).”

[Maryam 19:37]

We have an appointment with you after death, on the Day of Reckoning:

“On that day those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger [Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] will wish that they were buried in the earth, but they will never be able to hide a single fact from Allaah.”

[al-Nisa’ 4:42]

O disbeliever, do you know what Allaah has prepared for you if you die in a state of disbelief? Read:

“And whosoever does not believe in Allaah and His Messenger [Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)], then verily, We have prepared for the disbelievers a blazing Fire.”

[al-Fath 48:13]

“Verily, those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers, it is they on whom is the Curse of Allaah and of the angels and mankind, combined.”

[al-Baqarah 2:161]

“Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from any one of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers.”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:91]

“Surely, those who reject Faith, neither their properties, nor their offspring will avail them aught against Allaah. They are the dwellers of the Fire, therein they will abide.”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:116]

Do you know what you will have to drink in Hell if you die as a disbeliever? Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… But those who disbelieved will have a drink of boiling fluids and painful torment because they used to disbelieve.”

[Yoonus 10:5]

Do you know what you will have to wear on that Day? Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… Then as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads.”

[al-Hajj 22:19]

Do you know what kind of punishment you will endure?

“Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Signs, We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allaah is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise.”

[al-Nisa’ 4:56]

“If only those who disbelieved knew (the time) when they will not be able to ward off the Fire from their faces, nor from their backs; and they will not be helped.”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:39]

O reviler, maybe on the Day of Judgement you will wish that you had been a Muslim in this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Perhaps (often) will those who disbelieve wish that they were Muslims.”

[al-Hijr 15:2]

O disbeliever, you are among those who have disbelieved and done wrong. Allaah says concerning you and your like (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily those who disbelieve and do wrong, Allaah will not forgive them, nor will He guide them to any way”

[al-Nisa’ 4:168]

“Those who disbelieve and deny our signs are those who will be the dwellers of the Hell-fire.”

[al-Maa’idah 5:10]

There you will have no life, but neither will you be able to find any respite in death. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“But those who disbelieve, for them will be the Fire of Hell. Neither will it have a complete killing effect on them so that they die, nor shall its torment be lightened for them. Thus do We requite every disbeliever!”

[Faatir 35:36]

O disbeliever, have the glad tidings of a punishment from which you will not be able to ransom yourself:

“Verily, those who disbelieve, if they had all that is in the earth, and as much again therewith to ransom themselves thereby from the torment on the Day of Resurrection, it would never be accepted of them, and theirs would be a painful torment.”

[al-Maa’idah 5:36]

O disbeliever, if you want to mock Islam and its followers, this is nothing new:

“Beautified is the life of this world for those who disbelieve, and they mock at those who believe. But those who obey Allaah’s Orders and keep away from what He has forbidden, will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allaah gives (of His bounty on the Day of Resurrection) to whom He wills without limit.”

[al-Baqarah 2:212]

O disbeliever, if you think that the light of Islam will be extinguished, then you are living in a world of illusions. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They (the disbelievers) want to extinguish Allaah’s Light with their mouths, but Allaah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate (it).”

[al-Tawbah 9:32]

O disbeliever, do you know that you are cursed if you do not submit to Allaah, so save yourself from this curse:

“Verily, Allaah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming Fire (Hell).”

[al-Ahzaab 33:64]

There is still time for you to repent from sin and transgression, so long as you are still alive. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).”

[al-Anfaal 8:38]

Whoever is guided, then it is for his own benefit, and whoever disbelieves, then Allaah has no need of His creation. The curse of Allaah be upon the disbelievers.

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**Muezzin** · 06-17-2007

Originally Posted by barney

Just to clear up the deleted thing. Ive been PM'd by a mod to say that my post on Wabbitism was deleted as it was a response to another post which was deleted for using insulting language.

That was a simple mistake on my part, mate. Don't go reading meanings into it that aren't there to begin with. It makes you sound like a religious person.

**barney** · 06-17-2007

Originally Posted by Muezzin

That was a simple mistake on my part, mate. Don't go reading meanings into it that aren't there to begin with. It makes you sound like a religious person.

LOL! Gotta love ya Muezzy!

peace.

**Balthasar21** · 06-17-2007

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

If you actually searched you'd find most of the hadith have been already discused on the forum. Such as the one brought up by barney I think it was in another thread, it was answered straight away.

Don't even try it first I never assum any thing he only remove the post because of What your Hadith's writers written

Your saying you never assum anything, but then you make a statement as to why he deleted it. He said clearly why he deleted it. Maybe you should read more.

Me and you shall still discuss it, don't you worry, you've put your post and I will reply and then you can reply and then we'll go like that until we come to an agreement. You'll have a whole thraed to teach me!

But you have to keep your typing clean, no 'pissy' and such words. If you want to discuss it we will do it nicely.

Balthasar21 < Says > First let me say this Your not a man of your Word Ok , But it cool .

Al Habeshi < Says > If you actually searched you'd find most of the hadith have been already discused on the forum. Such as the one brought up by barney I think it was in another thread, it was answered straight away.

Balthasar21 < Says > First I'm not '' Barney '' And I doubt the hadith's I wrote have ever been posted ,

Al Habeshi < Says > Your saying you never assum anything, but then you make a statement as to why he deleted it. He said clearly why he deleted it. Maybe you should read more.

Balthasar 21 < Says > As I said I never assum anything You and few mods and I know the real reason my post was deleted / remove And it was because No Way could you or Any One Here Explain Why Hadiths like those could be the word of men who follow Muhammad . I have told you Beware of what you ask for . I knew when you read those Hadith's it blow your mind , Keyword here Hadith's and not what I said at the bottom of the post , What I said at the bottom about pisss is what the 'Hadith's were saying , And the mod took what I was saying and used it against me to deleted / Remove the post . All Mods Had To Do Was edited out what I said at the bottom . But no he deleted / remove it so no one would know those type of Hadith's Exist . I even told you before I written those Hadith's that some of them make Muhammad look bad didn't I . If you really want to discuss Hadith's , Being you're mod and you have the power to post why don't you post those Hadith's and Edited -Out what I said at the bottom and post and Answer it , Because I'm sure the people on this forum would like to see how you explain what those Hadith's Writer were thinking at the time they were writeing those things .

Al Habeshi < Says > Me and you shall still discuss it, don't you worry, you've put your post and I will reply and then you can reply and then we'll go like that until we come to an agreement. You'll have a whole thraed to teach me! But you have to keep your typing clean, no 'pissy' and such words. If you want to discuss it we will do it nicely.

Balthasar 21 < Says > Read the above . No Way Could Me Or Anyone For That Matter Would Agree To Those Hadith's Unless Something Wrong With Them , And Thats For Real . As far as you and I Agreeing that can never happen because your ( Belief's / Faith Etc ) Wont Allow You To See Things As They Really Are , Meaning They're Nothing But ( Belief's / Faith Etc ) No More No Less . You keep telling me about my mouth / writeing , Why is purestambrosia Allow to say anything out of her nasty mouth and post it and it never edited out / Delete / remove , And she does these to everyone who doesn't agree with her But Yet you'll tell me about my mouth / writeing . One can tell she has no respect for herself or Islam , She say in one of her post that this was her father forum . You would think she would have more respect for father because this is his site and she REPRESENT Islam The Woman Of Islam Away . But Hey ....

**Pygoscelis** · 06-17-2007

Originally Posted by evangel

I don't think He hates figs, He just cursed the tree that bore no fruit.

... when it was out of season (the bible actually says this).

**- Qatada -** · 06-17-2007

Allaah praises Figs in the Qur'an, because if He swears by something - it is showing it's great status in His sight.

Allaah says in the Qur'an:

By the Fig and the Olive,

[Qur'an At-Teen (the Fig) 95:1]

And that mean's there must be some good in the Fig, so here's some good links in regard to the benefits of Figs:

http://www.fruitarian.com/ao/FruitOnly.htm#FIGS
http://ezinearticles.com/?Nutritiona...Figs&id=120043
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...ll/ai_93532772

Peace.

**barney** · 06-17-2007

Olive oil rocks too. Good for the cholesterol.

(unless your frying a battered mars bar with it.)

**Pygoscelis** · 06-17-2007

I think we have found our most divisive issue between Christians and Muslims!

The Christian God curses figs. The Muslim God is a fig supporter. They clearly can not co-exist peacefully! Woe is me!

**- Qatada -** · 06-17-2007

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis

I think we have found our most divisive issue between Christians and Muslims!

The Christian God curses figs. The Muslim God is a fig supporter. They clearly can not co-exist peacefully! Woe is me!

I think we got bigger things to debate about than figs.

Regards.

**barney** · 06-17-2007

Meh, I dont think so. The original wording of "Fig" could be taken as "a form of date", there are some dates that are clearly hated, such as Monday Mornings, and some that are excellent, such as saturday night.

Its all Fig-urative.

**Muslim Woman** · 06-18-2007

Salaam/ peace ;

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis

.....The Christian God curses figs. The Muslim God is a fig supporter. They clearly can not co-exist peacefully! Woe is me!

LOL , God is only One ....there are no different Gods like Muslim God or Chrisitian God.....why it's so hard to understand this simple matter ? It's not a mystery at all.

**Pygoscelis** · 06-18-2007

Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

Salaam/ peace ;

LOL , God is only One ....there are no different Gods like Muslim God or Chrisitian God.....why it's so hard to understand this simple matter ? It's not a mystery at all.

Because it isn't true.

**جوري** · 06-18-2007

Originally Posted by - Qatada -

I think we got bigger things to debate about than figs.

Regards.

That is actually what happens when you have anthropomorphism-- a great deal of confusion and massive disrespect unbefitting the magistrate of G-D-- I have read some pretty bizarre things in the bible, encompassing G-D ****ing the world for not knowing if the tree up ahead bears fruit, in the supposed world he created, to being completely misogynistic, to wrestling with Jacob and losing, to feeling remorse over what he has done to bani Israel...
I think if there was no Islam I'd probably end up as a theist too, but would have no relationship with G-D whatsoever, given this enfeebling human traits he possesses... I have no interest in worshipping someone who is no better than me, not knowing what fruit lies up ahead or losing a fight with a creature he created. The mind can't conceive what G-D is, adding petty human traits to him, doesn't make him more approachable, makes it all seem mythological.
The truth is very clear from error, for those who choose to seek it!

**Muslim Woman** · 06-18-2007

Salaam/ peace ;

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis

Because it isn't true.

And the Truth is ....... ?????

Verse of the Day / night

Say: Surely I have manifest proof from my Lord and you call it a lie;

I have not with me that which you would hasten; the judgment is only God's; He relates the truth and He is the best of deciders.

[6.57]

**Pygoscelis** · 06-18-2007

Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

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Salaam/ peace ;

And the Truth is ....... ?????

I have no burning desire to invent a "Truth".

You believe a certain thing and that is fine. I just happen to think you are wrong. You stated your belief as if it was fact, so I did too.

**Ummu Sufyaan** · 06-18-2007

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis

Because it isn't true.

hi. yes it is true. how can we function with more than one brain??

**skhalid** · 06-18-2007

translations of the Quran is a big problem...and causes many disagreements between scholars and imams etc.......

**Balthasar21** · 06-18-2007

Originally Posted by skhalid

translations of the Quran is a big problem...and causes many disagreements between scholars and imams etc.......

Very good point , It's like everyone has a disffrent story to tell .

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