allah tells us that there is no difference between a arab and a inidan a chinese and a black, a european and a berrber. but then to chooses arabic to deliver this message. isn't there a big contradiction here.
its like for example a room of ten kids, who all speak different langauges, then the teacher comes in and only speaks one language, while they all have a test the next day at the same time, i mean is this fair? why do the other kids have to learn that language inorder to pass the test.
the other thing is about prayer. why in a country inwhich no one speaks arabic are the prayers still being held in arabic. what is the point of that? if no one understand how they are comunicating with god then are they really communicating with him? i don't think so.
the arabs say that arabic is the language of the hereafter, this is clearly unacceptable, becuase this type of opinion undermines other nations on a racial basis. if the religion of islam is universal, then why does arabic which is known to come from the arabs play such a over riding role in understanding the teaching of god. in other word, for example maths is a universal concept regardless of who you are or how you write your numbers, everyone can understand its ideas. but when it comes to something as serious as your salvation in the next world why is arabic so nessacary if its a universal religion?
No, it means that the qur'an was revealed in arabic, without any mistakes - in it's original form.
Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness: (Qur'an 18:1)
Whereas every translation has mistakes in. This is why the Qur'an is recited in arabic, because that is it's original form - unlike the translations which will always have errors in.
So we recite it the way it was revealed because that is error-free insha'Allaah.
Allaah Almighty knows best.
Peace.
ok as i said before, why any need for translation!!
NOW THAT IS THE KIND OF strange talk im worried about!! your saying we have to follow arabic culture? are u ok bro? arabic culture? what on earth has that got to do with islam? so what if the prophet was an arab? we was a human first! and that is what we must learn from, not how arab he was!!!
no one said we have to follow him in exactly only what he has ordered us to do and is beneficial for the hereafter.
u havent answered my questions
do u want to recite the exact words revealed in the quran OR DO U WANT TO RECITE SOMEONE ELSE TRANSLATIONS when ur doing prayer. just answer that question
why was the gospel revealed in aramaic, why was the torah revealed hewbrew.
how can u achieve this "univeral message". why didnt allah create 1 type of people instead of different types of people and why not 1 type of language instead of different type of languages
if thats true, then how come the chinese have to pray in arabic for their salvation, surely making arabic the language of the quran makes it obvious that arabs are better then the rest of the human race!
I hate to say this, but are you assuming?
Look at what Allah says about the arabs:
The wandering Arabs are more hard in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be ignorant of the limits which Allah hath revealed unto His messenger... And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness--Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him... Take alms of their wealth, wherewith thou mayst purify them and mayst make them grow, and pray for them. Lo! thy prayer is an assuagement for them... And (there are) others who await Allah's decree, whether He will punish them or will forgive them... And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars. Never stand to pray there... Surah at Taubah ayahs 95-110
ok as i said before, why any need for translation!!
The reason we need translation is because the people who don't know the arabic language, they can try to get a basic idea of what the Qur'an is. Or for people who might not know arabic as beginners.
But when a person want's to go into gaining islamic knowledge - then they should know the arabic language so that they can understand the Qur'an properly - the way it was revealed (without any crookedness/mistakes etc.)
no one said we have to follow him in exactly only what he has ordered us to do and is beneficial for the hereafter.
u havent answered my questions
do u want to recite the exact words revealed in the quran OR DO U WANT TO RECITE SOMEONE ELSE TRANSLATIONS when ur doing prayer. just answer that question
why was the gospel revealed in aramaic, why was the torah revealed hewbrew.
how can u achieve this "univeral message". why didnt allah create 1 type of people instead of different types of people and why not 1 type of language instead of different type of languages
just answer them
im not saying i want to do this or that! im asking why do we have to speak arabic for our salvation when we pray? im not interested in translations or whatever, im saying why not just deliever the message, why arabic?
you tell me
i don't know, you tell me, why allah didn't make something that is universal, why did he chose teh arabs above the rest of mankind?
A Sikh friend of mine was given some literature to read. While reading it, he raised this objection: “You say that Allah speaks to the prophets and through these special people He sent a universal way of life for all mankind. The question is, why is such an important way of life prescribed in this one particular language [Arabic], which is used only in one particular geographic location? Why could not that Almighty Allah create one universal language for all of mankind so that all people could benefit from that equally? Arabic Qur'an is certainly beneficial for the Arabs only.”
Answer
Had your Sikh friend who raised this objection pushed his imagination a bit further, he could have also asked “Why did God not send a copy of the Qur'an directly to every human being? Since He is the Almighty, He could have done this too!”
These people actually do not try to understand one basic point: For guiding the humanity, Allah Almighty does not adopt a method that would require an alteration in the natural workings and systems of the universe. The variety of languages, and due to that the emergence of various small and large ethnic groups—all this is but a natural phenomenon which came into existence by the will of Allah. And in this are lots of benefits and goodness that Allah would not want to destroy. Yes, He is the Almighty, but He is also the Wise. In His universe, things are running under a perfect set of laws and principles. Due to these principles, variance between languages, cultures, and traditions emerges. Even if Allah had created some separate type of language, that still could not have been the mother tongue of all nationalities, nor could the literature in that language affect and influence the minds of all people on earth. They would not have appreciated the beauty of that language [as one appreciates one’s mother tongue]. If Allah—by some supernatural way—eliminated all the mother tongues of all people and then imposed, supernaturally, one language on the entire humanity, then that is a different matter. However, since one action of Allah does not come to nullify another action of His, He has sent guidance to humanity while sustaining the natural systems and frameworks of all languages.
Arabic Qur'an can only be beneficial for the Arabs—this allegation could have been true had Allah only sent a book. But the reality is that Allah sent the book together with a guide. That guide first addressed a particular nation in whose language the book came. Then, according to the prescriptions laid in the book, he educated them, purified them, gave them practical training, and completely reshaped their lives in a full social revolution. Then he charged them with this responsibility that they, on his behalf, would transmit this guidance to other nations, educate them, purify them, train them, and reshape their lives the same way as he had done to them. Thus, once one nation adopts this ideal, it would bear the responsibility of taking it to other nations. This was the natural way for universalizing that teaching and guidance. Every great movement of the world that wanted to universalize its teaching has adopted this same method, be that a movement to establish God’s way or any other type of movement.
If one accepts the argument that a book is only beneficial for the particular nation in whose language it is written, then one will have to consider the history of all the sciences of the world as wrong. All the books of the world will need to be divided and segregated according to language. All the benefits of translations and various mediums of international mass communications will have to be denied. Yet, it is through these mediums that the messages of great world movements and the words of great leaders are reaching the far corners of the earth. Then what crime did the book of Muhammad commit that it has to be considered confined only for the Arabs just because it is in Arabic?
If one is still not assured after this and he thinks that Allah should have done things as he thought He should have, then he has the right to remain firm in his opinion. But the question is, if by putting up such questions as hindrance one does not benefit from a book or a message, then whose loss is it? This is not the policy of the truth seekers. They search for the ray of light everywhere and from all sources. If one closes one’s mind with one objection or another against every book or teaching, then one will not be able to make even a single step on life’s simple and straight path.
The wandering Arabs are more hard in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be ignorant of the limits which Allah hath revealed unto His messenger... And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness--Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him... Take alms of their wealth, wherewith thou mayst purify them and mayst make them grow, and pray for them. Lo! thy prayer is an assuagement for them... And (there are) others who await Allah's decree, whether He will punish them or will forgive them... And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars. Never stand to pray there... Surah at Taubah ayahs 95-110
someone should have raised this before :rant:
what does he say then,? arabic is still the language of prayer for salvation, that makes arabs which arabic came from better then the whole of human race
The reason we need translation is because the people who don't know the arabic language, they can try to get a basic idea of what the Qur'an is. Or for people who might not know arabic as beginners.
But when a person want's to go into gaining islamic knowledge - then they should know the arabic language so that they can understand the Qur'an properly - the way it was revealed (without any crookedness/mistakes etc.)
Allaah Almighty knows best.
Peace.
why any need for a translation? if the original is universal? can't u see what im trying to say?
[QUOTE=sert;470084]if thats true, then how come the chinese have to pray in arabic for their salvation, surely making arabic the language of the quran makes it obvious that arabs are better then the rest of the human race![/QUOTE
NEVER CHANGE ALLAH'S WORD, and arabic is like the centre language of mankind cus arab's are from the centre of the world if you look at the world map. besides yu as a muslim should no that mankind is equal in everything except faith and righteousness, so being a non arab doesnt make yu less of a muslim heck it may even give yu an even higher reward because yu had to study it and learn something yu have never seen before, meaning yu had to work harder for Allah meaning a bigger reward you should feel glad and not be jealous , remember iblis? he rejected Allah's Word thus he became rejected and accursed because he thought he was better than Adam because.. you know why , look, to make it simple why did Allah order the angels to bow down to Adam? we dont know.. only Allah knows, that what our Lord said to angels they accepted saying ''Glory to Thee thou Knowest All while we are know not'' or something similar but iblis was jealous, Allah has a reason for everything HE does and we are not to question it ''do not follow the ways of satan for he is an enemy to you'' -''but worship ME this is the straight way'' and worship is devotion without question know that Allah is All Just and All Knowing everything is a test it is up to you to follow or not your choice only YOU will be effected will you be like the Angels and do as our Lord exactly said or will you be like satan and be arrogant? hope not:grumbling
why any need for a translation? if the original is universal? can't u see what im trying to say?
read
By Abul A`la Mawdudi
Translated by Mushfiqur Rahman
Question
A Sikh friend of mine was given some literature to read. While reading it, he raised this objection: “You say that Allah speaks to the prophets and through these special people He sent a universal way of life for all mankind. The question is, why is such an important way of life prescribed in this one particular language [Arabic], which is used only in one particular geographic location? Why could not that Almighty Allah create one universal language for all of mankind so that all people could benefit from that equally? Arabic Qur'an is certainly beneficial for the Arabs only.”
Answer
Had your Sikh friend who raised this objection pushed his imagination a bit further, he could have also asked “Why did God not send a copy of the Qur'an directly to every human being? Since He is the Almighty, He could have done this too!”
These people actually do not try to understand one basic point: For guiding the humanity, Allah Almighty does not adopt a method that would require an alteration in the natural workings and systems of the universe. The variety of languages, and due to that the emergence of various small and large ethnic groups—all this is but a natural phenomenon which came into existence by the will of Allah. And in this are lots of benefits and goodness that Allah would not want to destroy. Yes, He is the Almighty, but He is also the Wise. In His universe, things are running under a perfect set of laws and principles. Due to these principles, variance between languages, cultures, and traditions emerges. Even if Allah had created some separate type of language, that still could not have been the mother tongue of all nationalities, nor could the literature in that language affect and influence the minds of all people on earth. They would not have appreciated the beauty of that language [as one appreciates one’s mother tongue]. If Allah—by some supernatural way—eliminated all the mother tongues of all people and then imposed, supernaturally, one language on the entire humanity, then that is a different matter. However, since one action of Allah does not come to nullify another action of His, He has sent guidance to humanity while sustaining the natural systems and frameworks of all languages.
Arabic Qur'an can only be beneficial for the Arabs—this allegation could have been true had Allah only sent a book. But the reality is that Allah sent the book together with a guide. That guide first addressed a particular nation in whose language the book came. Then, according to the prescriptions laid in the book, he educated them, purified them, gave them practical training, and completely reshaped their lives in a full social revolution. Then he charged them with this responsibility that they, on his behalf, would transmit this guidance to other nations, educate them, purify them, train them, and reshape their lives the same way as he had done to them. Thus, once one nation adopts this ideal, it would bear the responsibility of taking it to other nations. This was the natural way for universalizing that teaching and guidance. Every great movement of the world that wanted to universalize its teaching has adopted this same method, be that a movement to establish God’s way or any other type of movement.
If one accepts the argument that a book is only beneficial for the particular nation in whose language it is written, then one will have to consider the history of all the sciences of the world as wrong. All the books of the world will need to be divided and segregated according to language. All the benefits of translations and various mediums of international mass communications will have to be denied. Yet, it is through these mediums that the messages of great world movements and the words of great leaders are reaching the far corners of the earth. Then what crime did the book of Muhammad commit that it has to be considered confined only for the Arabs just because it is in Arabic?
If one is still not assured after this and he thinks that Allah should have done things as he thought He should have, then he has the right to remain firm in his opinion. But the question is, if by putting up such questions as hindrance one does not benefit from a book or a message, then whose loss is it? This is not the policy of the truth seekers. They search for the ray of light everywhere and from all sources. If one closes one’s mind with one objection or another against every book or teaching, then one will not be able to make even a single step on life’s simple and straight path.
why did he chose teh arabs above the rest of mankind?
The arabs were the most suited to the conditions to recieve the message and to spread it.
This is because all the ignorance and injustice that was there, they needed guidance. They were simple people so they never had philosophies (like the romans, greeks etc. did) They never had major kingdom (unlike the Persians) and they were poor, yet strong. They were true to their word/honest people, and cared about their honor. They kept this honor by staying strong with their kinship and clan.
There qualities were good in a way; They were simple people - so the idea of islam made them understand islam in it's true form, they never had proper leaders so Muhammad (peace be upon him) became their leader [at the end of the message], they were honest and truthful people - so they never lied and spread the message in truth, and they knew that if they lied - it would be a loss of their honor. They upheld the ties of kinship or clans, which was a good strength because when the muslims were united, they lookaftered each other and would be prepared to sacrifice their lives to protect their brethren.
you see how Allaah Almighty prepared the arabs to recieve the revelation, and to spread it? And realise that the only ones that Allaah loved from among them were the ones that had taqwa (fear of Allah/God consciessness.)
why any need for a translation? if the original is universal? can't u see what im trying to say?
Allaah Almighty doesn't need to change His sunnah, to reveal the scripture. The same way Allaah has created islam a different religion to others, and made people born into other religions. Only the one's who want to accept the truth, they will accept it and follow it.
The same way Allaah has made the Qur'an in arabic, and the ones who are sincere in wanting to accept islam will try to learn it so they can gain the knowledge without any mistakes. Whereas the one who isn't as sincere may not try whatsoever, and if the person takes the first step - Allaah will make that path easy for him/her.
let's not post anymore loooong articles, let's use our own brains and hands to help this brother to understand....Giving dawah is a long and labourous process....We must have patience.
allah says the islam is for everyone, then reveals it in arabic,
what is happening?
plz comment on the article that ive posted. if u still dont understand then ur imaginations are running wild lol. just read and reflect.
masalama
By Abul A`la Mawdudi
Translated by Mushfiqur Rahman
Question
A Sikh friend of mine was given some literature to read. While reading it, he raised this objection: “You say that Allah speaks to the prophets and through these special people He sent a universal way of life for all mankind. The question is, why is such an important way of life prescribed in this one particular language [Arabic], which is used only in one particular geographic location? Why could not that Almighty Allah create one universal language for all of mankind so that all people could benefit from that equally? Arabic Qur'an is certainly beneficial for the Arabs only.”
Answer
Had your Sikh friend who raised this objection pushed his imagination a bit further, he could have also asked “Why did God not send a copy of the Qur'an directly to every human being? Since He is the Almighty, He could have done this too!”
These people actually do not try to understand one basic point: For guiding the humanity, Allah Almighty does not adopt a method that would require an alteration in the natural workings and systems of the universe. The variety of languages, and due to that the emergence of various small and large ethnic groups—all this is but a natural phenomenon which came into existence by the will of Allah. And in this are lots of benefits and goodness that Allah would not want to destroy. Yes, He is the Almighty, but He is also the Wise. In His universe, things are running under a perfect set of laws and principles. Due to these principles, variance between languages, cultures, and traditions emerges. Even if Allah had created some separate type of language, that still could not have been the mother tongue of all nationalities, nor could the literature in that language affect and influence the minds of all people on earth. They would not have appreciated the beauty of that language [as one appreciates one’s mother tongue]. If Allah—by some supernatural way—eliminated all the mother tongues of all people and then imposed, supernaturally, one language on the entire humanity, then that is a different matter. However, since one action of Allah does not come to nullify another action of His, He has sent guidance to humanity while sustaining the natural systems and frameworks of all languages.
Arabic Qur'an can only be beneficial for the Arabs—this allegation could have been true had Allah only sent a book. But the reality is that Allah sent the book together with a guide. That guide first addressed a particular nation in whose language the book came. Then, according to the prescriptions laid in the book, he educated them, purified them, gave them practical training, and completely reshaped their lives in a full social revolution. Then he charged them with this responsibility that they, on his behalf, would transmit this guidance to other nations, educate them, purify them, train them, and reshape their lives the same way as he had done to them. Thus, once one nation adopts this ideal, it would bear the responsibility of taking it to other nations. This was the natural way for universalizing that teaching and guidance. Every great movement of the world that wanted to universalize its teaching has adopted this same method, be that a movement to establish God’s way or any other type of movement.
If one accepts the argument that a book is only beneficial for the particular nation in whose language it is written, then one will have to consider the history of all the sciences of the world as wrong. All the books of the world will need to be divided and segregated according to language. All the benefits of translations and various mediums of international mass communications will have to be denied. Yet, it is through these mediums that the messages of great world movements and the words of great leaders are reaching the far corners of the earth. Then what crime did the book of Muhammad commit that it has to be considered confined only for the Arabs just because it is in Arabic?
If one is still not assured after this and he thinks that Allah should have done things as he thought He should have, then he has the right to remain firm in his opinion. But the question is, if by putting up such questions as hindrance one does not benefit from a book or a message, then whose loss is it? This is not the policy of the truth seekers. They search for the ray of light everywhere and from all sources. If one closes one’s mind with one objection or another against every book or teaching, then one will not be able to make even a single step on life’s simple and straight path.
if thats true, then how come the chinese have to pray in arabic for their salvation, surely making arabic the language of the quran makes it obvious that arabs are better then the rest of the human race![/QUOTE
NEVER CHANGE ALLAH'S WORD, and arabic is like the centre language of mankind cus arab's are from the centre of the world if you look at the world map. besides yu as a muslim should no that mankind is equal in everything except faith and righteousness, so being a non arab doesnt make yu less of a muslim heck it may even give yu an even higher reward because yu had to study it and learn something yu have never seen before, meaning yu had to work harder for Allah meaning a bigger reward you should feel glad and not be jealous , remember iblis? he rejected Allah's Word thus he became rejected and accursed because he thought he was better than Adam because.. you know why , look, to make it simple why did Allah order the angels to bow down to Adam? we dont know.. only Allah knows, that what our Lord said to angels they accepted saying ''Glory to Thee thou Knowest All while we are know not'' or something similar but iblis was jealous, Allah has a reason for everything HE does and we are not to question it ''do not follow the ways of satan for he is an enemy to you'' -''but worship ME this is the straight way'' and worship is devotion without question know that Allah is All Just and All Knowing everything is a test it is up to you to follow or not your choice only YOU will be effected will you be like the Angels and do as our Lord exactly said or will you be like satan and be arrogant? hope not:grumbling
the issue is i don't want arabic to be the language of my salvation, how can arabic which is from the arabs, be the language for the salvation of the whole world?
The arabs were the most suited to the conditions to recieve the message and to spread it.
This is because all the ignorance and injustice that was there, they needed guidance. They were simple people so they never had philosophies (like the romans, greeks etc. did) They never had major kingdom (unlike the Persians) and they were poor, yet strong. They were true to their word/honest people, and cared about their honor. They kept this honor by staying strong with their kinship and clan.
There qualities were good in a way; They were simple people - so the idea of islam made them understand islam in it's true form, they never had proper leaders so Muhammad (peace be upon him) became their leader [at the end of the message], they were honest and truthful people - so they never lied and spread the message in truth, and they knew that if they lied - it would be a loss of their honor. They upheld the ties of kinship or clans, which was a good strength because when the muslims were united, they lookaftered each other and would be prepared to sacrifice their lives to protect their brethren.
you see how Allaah Almighty prepared the arabs to recieve the revelation, and to spread it? And realise that the only ones that Allaah loved from among them were the ones that had taqwa (fear of Allah/God consciessness.)
sert- it seems like all you want to do is attack every word we say. If you're really sincere in wanting to find out the truth, then you should keep an open mind insha'Allaah.
The arabs were truthful people i said, hence that was also another good trait of theirs. I never said that they were chosen just because of their truthfulness.
the issue is i don't want arabic to be the language of my salvation, how can arabic which is from the arabs, be the language for the salvation of the whole world?
dude listen, its the most elequent language in the world so in the this sense you can use one word for like 40 other or 40 other for one word , and remember muslim's say" we hear and we obey'' and kafirs say"we hear and we disobey'' which one would you be its so simple get together and visist this link this wmight help you :http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/pat...adise/id2.html
im fed up of this, you people are not understanding me!! while i understand exactly what your saying it just isn't making sense, how obvious can this get! allah says islam is a religion for everyone and you are all equal, then allah reveals his message in one language, which goes against the previous statement that you are all equal, becuase now we have to pray in arabic, prayer (salah) is one of the pillars of islam, and it must be done in arabic!! so that makes arabic fundamental for your salvation in the next world, I FIND THAT SCARY!! isn't islam ment to be about your belief rather then your action? why did allah choose arabic to reveal the most important thing to mankind namely their salvation in the next world? what does this mean? this can only mean that arabs are some how better then the rest of us, or that allah loves them more then the rest of mankind, i don't want to be an arab, i don't want to copy their culture, i want islam but not arabic. why has allah made the two practicly the same thing?
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what on earth has that got to do with islam? so what if the prophet was an arab? we was a human first! and that is what we must learn from, not how arab he was!!!
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