Proof that the Bible is ‘Corrupted’

**`Abd al-Azeez** · 08-29-2006

Well the reason I decided to make this topic is because whenever Muslims tell Christians that the Bible is changed, altered etc. Christians always demand proof, well here is the proof we've been waiting for:

Quotes From Bible Scholars Claiming The Bible Has Been ‘Altered’

The NT was written by Christians for Christians ; it was moreover written in Greek for Greek-speaking communities, and the style of writing (with the exception, possibly, of the Apocalypse) was that of current literary composition. There has been no real break in the continuity of the Greek-speaking Church and we find accordingly that few real blunders of writing are met with in the leading types of the extant texts. This state of things has not prevented variations ; but they are not for the most part accidental. An overwhelming majority of the 'various readings' of the MSS of the NT were from the very first intentional alterations. The NT in very early times had no canonical authority, and alterations and additions were actually made where they seemed improvements

(Encyclopedia Biblica (Vol. 4. p. 4980)

also proof that:

Mark 16:9-20 Is a Fabrication!

The oldest Bible we possess today, Codex Sinaiticus, which contains both Old and New Testaments does not conatin Mark 16:9-20 infact, it stops at Mark 16:8 :

The scribe who brought Mark's Gospel to an end in Codex Sinaiticus had no doubt that it finished at chapter 16, verse 8. He underlined the text with a fine artistic squiggle, and wrote, "The Gospel according to Mark." Immediately following begins the Gospel of Luke

( Secrets of Mt. Sinai, James Bentley p. 139)

Thats all for now.

***Hana*** · 09-01-2006

Originally Posted by dougmusr

Verse 17 says the identity of the "another helper" will be "The Spirit of Truth", that he is currently present in that "He dwells with you" and that he "will be in you" following Christs return to the Father. Another helper does not have to mean a new helper. Verse 26 says the indwelling helper has no come yet.

This is reiterated in chapter 15.

Jn 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

Peace Doug:

To me those verses clearly say another will be sent, not another will return or one that is here will show himself. When speaking of the spirit of truth, it means this person will speak the same truths that Jesus, pbuh, taught and he will reiterate what Jesus, pbuh, taught and you will know it is truth. It can't mean the Holy Spirit, as the Holy Spirit was already present long before and during Jesus, pbuh, so there would be no need to send him. Jesus, pbuh, is speaking in future tenses not present or past.

Peace to you,
Hana

**dougmusr** · 09-01-2006

We will just have to accept the fact that both of us see the verse through the lense filters of different faiths. Outside of diagramming the sentences in the passage, I can't do any better. The verse is quite clear to me.

***Hana*** · 09-01-2006

Originally Posted by dougmusr

We will just have to accept the fact that both of us see the verse through the lense filters of different faiths. Outside of diagramming the sentences in the passage, I can't do any better. The verse is quite clear to me.

Peace Doug:

I appreciate you trying to explain your understanding of the verses. I agree, we will have to accept the fact we see it differently, as it also seems just as clear for me as well. lol

Take care and peace to you,

Hana

**duskiness** · 09-01-2006

Originally Posted by glo

Bless you!

That's exactly how I feel.

Thanks Glo, good to know it's not only me!
after reading Lavikor's post, it's seems it's not only "a christian pov":

Originally Posted by lavikor201

Do not attack the Torah without proof or knowledge. Your ignorance and patheticness shows valiantly!!!!

I have one simple request for all members of this forum. Use your own knowledge. The copy and pasting of lies is a pathetic way to spread untruth. Either actually read the torah, or don't talk about it.

quite emotional. but i understand

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

we can present points like a history book... with facts... not subjective views.... you bring something to the table... we bring something to the table... we discuss it...

if it was so easy!! problem is that we both feel emotional about our beliefs.

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

I see a thousand website... in fact I almost can't put in any search engine the word Islam or even Jilbab and not find something deragtory and down right disgusting written of Muslims our prophet or our religion...

true, but the longer i'm on this board the more antichristian sites i know..

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

I can't go fighting with everyone... it is futile... it is really NOT PRODUCTIVE....

- we say in poland that avalanche changes the way it's falling because of little stones beneath it. We should be like those stones..

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

correct me if I am wrong but have you converted to Islam from what was written here? has anyone converted to christinaity from the points you bring? if the answer is NO to both... then what we are doing here is not working...

I not trying to convert you here! I'm not that ambtious!

I'm tring to understand you, and when i write about my faith (usually) i hope you'll understand something about us. And it's working! for me at least

! i know islam better than i did..
Look at your posts and Hana_Aku's (just as an example). Then compare it with this one:

Originally Posted by QuranStudy

I have yet to see the Bitter Water Test and the True Chistian Test to be passed successfully by any Christian

(not to mention that i have no idea why he is speaking about ordeals and exchristian site present our faith in the same light that any exmuslim site presents Islam.)
...or....

Originally Posted by QuranStudy

Let's see:

1.) Bible does not go along with science AT ALL.
2.) Hundreds of contradictions.
3.) Words changed over time by various "Christians." (ex. slave ---> servant)
4.) Unicorns, 4 legged spiders, flying serpants and other mythical creatures
5.) Contains information already disproved (ex. flat earth)
6.) "Morals" include subjugation of women, establishing institution of slavery, and killing of disobedient children.
7.) Absolutely incompatible with history (ex. Great Flood regarded as myth by most scientists). The Old testament may have a basis of facts, but the New Testament is regarded as purely mythical.
8.) Personification of animals (ex. lions killing via strangulation)

Source: Wikipedia

Hymmm....i don't want to be offensive but i'm quite sure most Christian read bible more often than QuranStudy and probably know more about it's history. So for who this post is..?.Because it's not a question, nor invitation to discussion....

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

and if we can't convince each other, yet end up seeing each other's posts every day least we can do is be civilized about what we write.....I always like to think of posters as actual people I'd meet... do I want to get contentious with someone just because they sport a different outfit or worship differently than I do? it is ridiculous right?

Right

Originally Posted by Hana_Aku

So, I think sometimes it seems as though the bible is being bashed, when in fact we are only trying to show the problem we have with the texts provided to us as "proofs".

The only thing that is being shown s that Muslim don't understand what Bible is. Joe quite often is writing about this...We don't think about Bible in the way you think about Quran.