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    What exactly is the Muslim definition of an infidel?



    Matthew 12:30
    He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
    Last edited by evangel; 09-17-2006 at 12:17 PM.
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by evangel View Post
    What exactly is an infidel?



    Matthew 12:30
    He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
    hmmmm...infidels... peepz...if a person is an infidel it cant b a fact...its only an opinion...accordin to u ne1 dat dnt follow christianity is an infidel...2 u its a fact since to u christianity is a fact hus nefin based upon dat is a fact to u ryt...u gettin ma point...n dat applies to all religion n atheism too...as a mattr of fact it applies to evry1 regardless o dereligion dey follow

    ^ did i make sense der

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    Re: Infidels

    An infidel is person who does not believe in your particular religion or God. For a muslim that would mean someone who does not accept islam.
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by evangel View Post
    What exactly is an infidel?



    Matthew 12:30
    He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
    The cynical writer Ambrose Bierce probably defined it best. "In Constantinople it is somebody who lives in New York. In New York it is somebody who lives in Consantinople"

    Strange thing is it is an English word and I have never heard an Arabic Speaking person use it.
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    Re: Infidels

    According to the dictionary:

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    Directory > Words > Dictionary in·fi·del (ĭn'fĭ-dəl, -dĕl')
    n.
    Offensive. An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam.
    One who has no religious beliefs.
    One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle.
    [Middle English infidele, from Old French, from Latin īnfidēlis, disloyal : in-, not; see in–1 + fidēlis, faithful (from fidēs, faith).]

    The closest Arabic word for it would be Kafir.
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    Strange thing is it is an English word and I have never heard an Arabic Speaking person use it.
    I don't think I've ever heard an English speaker use it outside of 'historical' movies either!
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    I don't think I've ever heard an English speaker use it outside of 'historical' movies either!
    Where the heck did this word come from?! It's a rogue meme!

    (note: I think it's from the Latin infidelis 'unfaithful', and then later 'unbelieving' - Isn't etymology great?)
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    Re: Infidels

    Funny thing is all of the old English language books and movies have us running around calling everybody infidels as if infidel was an Arabic word
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    Funny thing is all of the old English language books and movies have us running around calling everybody infidels as if infidel was an Arabic word
    Yes that amongst other things.... just saw some disgusting deragtory anti-muslim clothes sold on a popular site.... what can I say but 7asbya Allah wa ni3ma Alwakeel....... I never could imagine people running around so proud displaying their ignorance like a badge of honor....
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    in‧fi‧del  /ˈɪnthinsp 1 - Infidelsthinsp 1 - Infidelsdl, -ˌdɛl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-fi-dl, -del] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

    –noun

    1.Religion. a.a person who does not accept a particular faith, esp. Christianity. b.(in Christian use) an unbeliever, esp. a Muslim. c.(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.
    2.a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.
    3.(loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic. –adjective
    4.not accepting a particular faith, esp. Christianity or Islam; heathen.
    5.without religious faith.
    6.due to or manifesting unbelief: infidel ideas.
    7.rejecting the Christian religion while accepting no other; not believing in the Bible or any Christian divine revelation.

    8.Also, in‧fi‧del‧ic /ˌɪnthinsp 1 - Infidelsfɪˈdɛlthinsp 1 - Infidelsɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-fi-del-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of unbelievers or infidels.
    [Origin: 1425–75; late ME < LL infidēlis unbelieving, L: unfaithful, treacherous. See in-3, feal]
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by evangel View Post
    What exactly is the Muslim definition of an infidel?
    There is no 'muslim definition' of it because it is not a muslim term to begin with. It is an archaic term from the late 15th century mostly used by Christians to refer mostly to Muslims. By definition, it refers to anyone who is not following one's own faith (latin infidēlis, or unbelieving). The funny thing is when people ask, "Do you really consider people who don't follow your faith to be infidels?" If you translate what 'infidel' means, then they are asking, "Do you really consider people who don't follow your faith to be people not following your faith?", which is a rhetorical question.

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    Re: Infidels

    I noticed most Muslims use 'disbeliever' or 'kaffir' when they talk about infidels.
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    Re: Infidels

    Here i get from wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel

    i guess it fair in any relegion usage with different name but with the same meaning.
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    Re: Infidels

    [QUOTE=starfortress;491020]Here i get from wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel
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    Re: Infidels

    I know that Pope Urban II used the term "infidel" in his famous speech at Clermont that set off the 1st Crusade. I do believe the root of this term comes from Latin. Here is a part of the speech from 1095.

    "Let those who in the past have been accustomed to spread private war so vilely among the faithful advance against the infidels....Let those who were formerly brigands now become soldiers of Christ; those who once waged war against their brothers and blood-relatives fight lawfully against barbarians, those who until now have been mercenaries for a few coins achieve eternal rewards."

    Only reason I typed out the whole part of the speech was to shed light on its context.
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    Re: Infidels

    I think infidels are people who dont belong to either Islam, Christianity, Judaism or Zoroastrianism...

    Becoz Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians are considered people of the book.
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    I think infidels are people who dont belong to either Islam, Christianity, Judaism or Zoroastrianism...

    Becoz Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians are considered people of the book.
    Zoroastrians are people of the book? Other than Jews and Christians, I have only heard of Sabiens as "people of the book"
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    Who exactly are the Sabiens?
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    Re: Infidels

    Islam is a mutual contract or charter between God and His creation for one's own benefits. Therefore in this charter, there are promises given by God and there are obligations for His creation in return, if one wishes to join the charter for his own benefits.

    According to Koran 2:62 or Koran 5:69, God offers this charter not only to the believers, but also to Jewish, Nazarenes (a.k.a Christians) and others. The believers are the followers of the last prophet, Muhammad. This charter is repeated twice in the Koran just to make sure you don't accidentally miss it.

    "Those

    who believe, and
    those who are Jewish, and
    the Sabiens, and
    the Nazarenes;
    whoever of them

    believes in God and
    the Last Day and
    does good works,
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    Re: Infidels

    format_quote Originally Posted by +*Glacier*+ View Post
    hmmmm...infidels... peepz...if a person is an infidel it cant b a fact...its only an opinion...accordin to u ne1 dat dnt follow christianity is an infidel...2 u its a fact since to u christianity is a fact hus nefin based upon dat is a fact to u ryt...u gettin ma point...n dat applies to all religion n atheism too...as a mattr of fact it applies to evry1 regardless o dereligion dey follow

    ^ did i make sense der

    Well it would be nice if you used the english language better . No offence though. I'm sure you don't write like that at school?
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