Yes, Jesus did not abolish/destroy/disregard the old laws ... they were God given and valid in their time!
But when Jesus completed his mission and his purpose with his death and resurrection, he completed/finished/satisfied/fulfilled them.
The old laws, which God had to put upon people, became obsolete/finished with/were brought to an end. Jesus put an end to them, and instead started a New Covenant!
I don't expect you to believe what I believe. I am just trying to explain what I believe.
It is getting late, and I have to get some sleep.
Peace
Very good, as explained in the definition of fulfilled he followed these commands.
Why do you assume that apostasy is separation from god? :grumbling Apostasy is the renunciation of a religious faith, not all religious faith. With the many religions, only one (Maybe none), can be correct. So apostasy could be the rejection of a false religion and acceptance of a true religion.
Hi Wilberhum
Sorry, if I offended you.
I am only representing the Christian perspective. Of course other faiths will have differing views.
Keltoi clarified what I meant very well: "If one goes to his grave without accepting Christ, then the "punishment" is much worse, which is separation from God. Personally, I believe that is Hell."(Thank you, Keltoi!)
That might be true if Christ is god. What if Christ is not god?
Again, we Christians speak from a Christian perspective. If Christ was not God, then our faith would be false ...
Peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
PS I was not offended in any shape or form. Just correcting what I concider an erronious assumption.
LOL
That's alright then, Wilberhum.
It was this face that made me think I had offended you: :grumbling
(I know it's described as 'grumbling', but it looks more like an exploding head to me!)
I suppose many things I say in this forum are based on the assumption (erronious or otherwise) that my faith is true ... but I am fully aware that not many people here share my perspective.
peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I was sure even to the christians God is seen as an Eternal being, a bieng which existed before time and will exist forever...
If I where to ask you to describe God, how would you describe him?
Well, this is how God describes himself:
"Remember this, fix it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please." (Isaiah 46:8-10)
and
"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son." (Revelation 21:6-7)
I was sure even to the christians God is seen as an Eternal being, a bieng which existed before time and will exist forever...
I'm not sure...but it seems WnbSlaveOfAllah, that you haven't come across some basic christian doctrines..if i could recommend you, you could visit: religion facts about christianity (don't worry, it's nonchristian side) and check the part about doctrin (God, Trinity and Jesus); or re-jesus site (that's christian side, but very "open-minded")
back to your question:
Our God is eternal, but once in history one person of Trinity (=God) incarnated, that is became human (and still was fully God), was angry, hungry, suffered, died, and was resurrected. That's the very core of our faith.
even when i wasn't christian i felt drawn to Jesus. But today I feel somehow closer to God, knowing that He also suffered and died. It allows me (it's just my pov) to answer somewhow "suffering question".
I know it's not an answer sensu stricto! but...
When i go to church and see Jesus on the cross, i stop asking this question. It's looks to me, as if He was saying: "shhh child. You won't understand. But I went through it all. And you aslo will". And i surrender...
format_quote Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah
If I where to ask you to describe God, how would you describe him?
wise people when are asked this question, don't say anything. And that's also an answer
n.
ed: sp.
Last edited by duskiness; 10-04-2006 at 03:40 PM.
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
I think christian broter's & sisters has answered the Question best to their knowledge. So let's not go off-topic. Debate's can be started on another thread.
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