I am 46 years old and am married to an Egyptian MUslim.. it was this fact that I began to study Islam. I have not just studied the Quoran but some of the Hadiths of Prophet Mohammed and also the testomonies of Aisha.
I am told that Islam is a continuation of Christianity and that Christianity is not dismissed by Islam.. yet there are so many differences.
Christ said that violence in any form was wrong.. to turn the other cheek.. he also said to live by the sword is to die by the sword.. yet Prophet Mohammed was a leader of an entire army.
Jesus forgave a woman who was to be stoned to death and told people.. LEt he without sin cast the first stone.. no-one did because they knew they had all sinned in their own ways.. Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more....Yet in the Quoran clearly talks about brutal punnishments that certain countries still practice today.
Jeus told us to drink red wine and take bread to remember him.. yet in Islam ALL alcahol is forbidden STrangely enough.. as a healer as Jesus was.. healing properties have been found in red wine.
Jesus said.. one woman for one man.. and all thier properties to be shared.. in the marriage ceremony of a Christian wedding.. the words are.. All what I have I share with you.. all what I am I give to you. Yet in Islam the wife only takes a share of an entire lifes worth when her husband dies and he can also have up to 4 wives.
I must make it clear at this point.. that I am not slamming Islam.. far from it.. I am merely pointing out just a few of the differences between the two religeons and yet I was told that Christianity is a continuation.
So if Islam is in fact a continuation.. why then are there so many differences.. one Muslim told me.. well Christianity didnt work so he talked to prophet Mohammed.. God in my mind does NOT make mistakes.
Id love to hear some other view points on this.
Islam is not a continuation of Christianity. It is what Christianity should have remained as. The true message preached by Is'a (a.s.) was the same message given to Muhammad (PBUH), It was humans that changed the message into what Christianity became.
A word about the punishments - it's not as if Muslims are encouraged to punish people, to take some sort of sadistic relish in it or something. For example, once a woman came to the Prophet (peace be upon him), saying that she had commited adultery. The Prophet (peace be upon him) turned away, and told her to go away and repent. Why? Because he did not want to administer the punishment, which IS harsh. Now, some time passed, but it wasn't like the Prophet (peace be upon him) was sending out squads to find the woman. However, eventually she did return under her own free will, and thus the Prophet (peace be upon him) was forced to order the punishment, which was by no means an emotionally easy thing to do.
The point is, if people do commit sins such as adultery, they are only punished if they are found out or if they give themselves in. It's best not to commit adultery in the first place of course, but if one does commit it, rather than giving oneself in, one should desist from the activity and repent to Allah, the most merciful.
Islam came to correct the errors that were in the Torah and Bible is not a continuations of the bible.and in Islam if one commits adultery they are given the chance to repent for their sins. pusnishemt by stoning is not the first action.during the prohet's(pbuh) time they only did stoning as a last resort.
Thank you for your interest in learning the difference in Islam and Christianity. Many people don't even think about learning Islam before they leap forward to criticise Islam in anyway they can.
I would like to suggest that you please do read the translation of the Quran, as it is a complete guide to the TRUTH behind the values of Islam.
Sis, it is true the Prophet Muhammad (sws) was the leader of the Muslims and the Muslim armies. You must learn the history of Islam to understand how the law mentioned in the Quran came about...
Prophet Mohammad (sws) started preaching in Makkah, Saudi Arabia but he was persecuted and thrown out into the open desert, just for saying "There is only One God" because at the time, Kabbah was a trading city where people came from many lands to sell and buy goods and worship many gods. So, when prophet Muhammad (sws) started preaching there is ONE God, they were threatened and casted him out.
As a result of that, he migrated to Madinah... But they had left all their belongings in Makkah because they were thrown out... those who couldn't travel remained and were tortured... some even killed because they refuse to give up their faith in one God. So, there was a peace treaty signed by Muhammad (sws) and the tribal leaders of Makkah... eventually the Makkah people broke the peace treaty and attacked the muslims... at that point (some one correct me if Im wrong) the revelation for the verses to defend themselves came... to fight in the way of Allah but do not transgress.. and do not be the opressors.. for Allah hates the opressors. Even to a point, where they were forbidden to cut down trees and kill plant life of the enemy... Islam by itself means.. peace. But, Sis, peace sometimes only comes when you supress the oppressors.
Stoning is very very had to do... you know why.. because you need 4 witnesses. If somoene committs adultry... you need 4 EYE WITNESSES! if you have 3.. it is not enough. Stoning is also done by confession. People have confessed to adultry and request stoning as a punishment are truely God fearing people... because, the punishment of Adultry in the hereafter is FAR SEVERE than getting hit by bunch of stones. So to avoid the punishment of the hereafter they accepted the punishment of this world. But do not forget, that Allah has also told us that He is the Most Forgiving... so it is recommended that you ask for forgiveness and not return to the sin.
Sis, surely you know that wine also has negative effects as well... There is more harm that comes out of drinking than there is good... it is really easy to see why it is forbidden in Islam. Alcohol wasn't forbidden in the early stages of Islam... it was over a period of time that Allah sent a revelation to ban Alcohol use completely. Because Allah knows that it is not something that you can give up easily... so it was done in stages. Look at how many people have liver problems or how many kids die every day because some drunk guy drives them over without even realizing he's driving! Or look how people behave in bars and clubs when they are drinking... it promotes chaos! If you say drinking in small quanitity is ok... it is not.. because sooner or later 1 glass will turn into 2.. 3.. and before you know it.. you'll under the influence od alcohol.. and that is how many women get raped at parties or end up doing soemthing they regret later... or end up as teenage mothers who can't even run their own life... how will the raise a new child?
As far as the inheritance is concerened... you should be aware of the husband responsibilities before you make the decision whether it is enough or not...
Check videos and frequently asked questions regarding marriage.
But, in summary, the man ends up with far less money for his own use than his wife... In Islam it is an obligation upon the husband to provide for his family... and yet if the wife works... she can keep all of her money to herself... and when you become eligable for inhertiance you still get the money.
And as for 4 wives... The husband has to treat them equally, and Allah has commanded the muslims to be just, and if the husband cant be just stay with one wife. Also if you look at this logically, world population, there are more females than males.. and it is predicted that there will be so many women that 50 women will be looked by 1 man. Actually, if you take the current situation in some of the eastern countries, women are far greater than males.. so to apply this Islamic law and allow men to get married to 4 wives is divine justice. If the men aren't allowed to marry more than 1 wife, who will all these women marry?
And lastly, Islam tells us about Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and so many more prophets before Muhammad (sws)... it is similar to christianity more than it is to any other religoin...
As christians, we believe in Jesus, and that he will return in Demuscus, only difference is that Jesus is a Prophet, like all the other messengers that have come and gone and not a son of God.
For God has no creater nor partners or relatives... That is why He is GOD!
There is NOTHING like Him...and we are not made in the image of God.
I hope you read the Quran and understand the differences for yourself... it will explain far better than I can ever do..
Thankyou for your reply Digital.. I accept everything you have said and agree with many parts of it, however, you say Christians changed Christianity so therfore envoked God to yet again send another messenger. How did this happen?.. as Christianity is based on what happened when it happened, everything Jesus said was recorded AT THE TIME.. and not written years after his death or through memory as I believe the teachings of Prophet Mohammed was.. forgive me if I am wrong but this is what I have learnt.
You say Jesus was not the son of God.. just a messenger.. so why then did he rise again? hard to do if youre just a man. The whole foundation of Christianity was the fact that Jesus proved who he was by his death and ressurection.. With all due respect.. If someone wanted to produce another religeon dismissing Christianity.. Whats the first thing you must do?.. Tell everyone that his death was fake. ONly then would people follow the new religeon.
I have an English version of the Quoran which I read with intrest, I also read a lot.. the testemonies of Aisha were not accepted by Islam because she was a woman.. but none the less you have to read with interest about Prophet Mohammeds clear low opinion of women... Jesus never married let alone 9 wives and certainly never married a child.
IF Jesus and Mohammed were both soley messengers.. then why was Jesus born to a virgin.. yet Mohammed was not.. Why was Jesus given the gift of healing.. yet Mohammed was not..Why did Jesus stay pure.. while Mohammed had 9 wives.. one of them a child and had many concubines? Why is Mohammed in a grave.. while Jesus was called back to God? The differences between them are drasticly different.
It leaves a person like myself very confused as I learn Islam.. I am leaning it from the beginning and studying every aspect.. not just falling in to it blindly lead by people who just want me to convert to a religeon I know not a lot about. In Fact I wonder how many people who are in the religeon follow it because their family and friends do.. and only study the Quoran,,, theres so much more to this religeon than meets the eye. PLease take everything I have said with respect as I learn day by day.
No. Prophet Jesus never preached Christianity. He preached Islam. Islam is the religion preached by all the Prophets of God.
I am 46 years old and am married to an Egyptian MUslim.. it was this fact that I began to study Islam. I have not just studied the Quoran but some of the Hadiths of Prophet Mohammed and also the testomonies of Aisha.
Right from the get-go you betray your ignorance on Islam and falsify your claim to have studied the religion. In addition to the fact that you repeat only the common myths about Islam refuted ages ago, you begin with a misunderstanding of the Ahâdîth (sing. Hadîth) by identifying the 'testimonies of Aisha' as an additional source, whereas Â'isha [r] was a narrator of Ahâdîth.
Christ said that violence in any form was wrong.. to turn the other cheek.. he also said to live by the sword is to die by the sword.. yet Prophet Mohammed was a leader of an entire army.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh, like Prophet Moses pbuh, was a state leader. The use of force is necessitated for the the preservation of the security of the state. If you disagree, go and live in a country without a law enforcement agency (police force)!
As well, you seem to be unaware of some fundamentals of Islam:
Forgiveness
The Prophet said: 'Whoever suffers an injury done to him and forgives (the person responsible), Allah will raise his status to a higher degree and remove one of his sins.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
Virtue
The Prophet said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
Jesus forgave a woman who was to be stoned to death and told people.. LEt he without sin cast the first stone.. no-one did because they knew they had all sinned in their own ways.. Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more....
And yet if you claim Jesus is God, then Jesus is the one who ordained the so-called barbaric punishment in the first place, in the days of the OT!
Yet in the Quoran clearly talks about brutal punnishments that certain countries still practice today.
Jeus told us to drink red wine and take bread to remember him.. yet in Islam ALL alcahol is forbidden STrangely enough.. as a healer as Jesus was.. healing properties have been found in red wine.
Actually the Qur'an states that there are some benefits but the harm otuwieghs the benefits which is exactly what has been proven: 2:219 They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."
Jesus said.. one woman for one man..
Prophet Muhammad pbuh said: إن النساء شقائق الرجال
(Sunan Abî Dawûd, Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Musnad Ahmad). Meaning that women are the twin counterparts of men; thus, the scholars say that the general rule in Islam is that all rulings apply equally to men and women, except where otherwise indicated.
Yet in Islam the wife only takes a share of an entire lifes worth when her husband dies and he can also have up to 4 wives.
Actually, in Islam a woman's wealth is her own to spend as she wills while the husband is obligated to spend on the family, and she can take money from him if he is not doing his duty [*]
I must make it clear at this point.. that I am not slamming Islam..
Your post is the only evidence we need - rather than asking questions to try to gain a better understanding of Islam you post dozens of age-old myths and misconceptions as statements and assertions.
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The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Ansar.. I apoligise if you find me to be nagative I assure you I was not trying to be. Its not easy being a 46 year old Christian learning a very intracate and indepth religeon like Islam.. of course the first things I noticed are bound to be the differences. I have actually asked questions and opinions as well as state things ive noticed. I am not an expert and I dont try to be. I have only talked about what I have read so far. It was in fact my Muslim husband who told me Islam was a continuation which is why I posted the question.. Is Islam a continuation of Christianity? You mentioned I have not asked questions.. I have actually asked a few like the differences in the lives of Prophet Mohammed and Jesus and why are they so different if in fact they are both just human messengers. These were genuine questions.
You are right when you say I dont know enough.. which is exactly why I came here to discuss Islam,, the differences between the 2 religeons and to hear peoples opinions.
I have not meant to be offensive and I apoligise if I came accross that way. I am just trying to make sense out of the 2 religeons and why Islam came to be.
I will continue to read and like my husband says.. be careful not to read propaganda
With the help of Muslim friends and good sites like this Ill be able to learn more.. as I said in my post.. I ended with.. I learn every day.
Once again I apoligise if I offended anyone I am in the learning stages.
Aishaa.
Do Christians ever realise that they are VERY DIFFERENT from Jews and Muslims?
It looks like Islam is a continuation of Judaism rather than of Christianity...
You know, the more I learn about Islam, the more I think that myself.
To me, as a Christian, it seems like Muhammed came and undid everything Jesus had come, lived and died for ... to largely return to the old Jewish laws.
Of course, as a Christian I believe that Jesus' ressurection rang in God's New Covenant with his people - which meant many of the old laws became obsolete (I won't go into that here ... there is another thread elsewhere)
That's exactly why I find the whole idea of Muhammed's teachings so implausable ... why would God make a new convenant, and then change his mind and go back to the old ways?
It doesn't make sense to me.
I don't think Islam is a continuation of Christianity. Personally, I think it is a return to the Judaic laws, which disregards and goes against what Jesus did for us.
(Just my personal view, of course. Please feel free to believe otherwise. )
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Islam is a continuation of the the religion followed by Adam(AS), Eve/Hawa(AS) and their Progeny.
Christianity is a religion built not around God, or His book - for there was no 'book' until 150 years after Jesus' death. Christianity became built around the personality of Jesus himself. By laying more and more stress upon the magnetic and wonderful personality of Jesus and unable and unwilling to describe the Prophet's effect upon all who came to him in everyday terms - more and more attributes are added to his reputation - a man who could perform miracles, bring back the dead to life, heal the leper, cure the blind - all by God's will, is indeed a wonderful man - blessed by God - born by God's will to do His service. But after his death, the 'magical' personality must be kept alive and 'Son of God' appears to suitably qualify all his actions.
Therefore we see that the Christians from an early age gave more priority to the miracles of Jesus and not keeping the original message or references.
Ansar.. I apoligise if you find me to be nagative I assure you I was not trying to be. Its not easy being a 46 year old Christian learning a very intracate and indepth religeon like Islam.. of course the first things I noticed are bound to be the differences. I have actually asked questions and opinions as well as state things ive noticed. I am not an expert and I dont try to be. I have only talked about what I have read so far. It was in fact my Muslim husband who told me Islam was a continuation which is why I posted the question.. Is Islam a continuation of Christianity? You mentioned I have not asked questions.. I have actually asked a few like the differences in the lives of Prophet Mohammed and Jesus and why are they so different if in fact they are both just human messengers. These were genuine questions.
You are right when you say I dont know enough.. which is exactly why I came here to discuss Islam,, the differences between the 2 religeons and to hear peoples opinions.
I have not meant to be offensive and I apoligise if I came accross that way. I am just trying to make sense out of the 2 religeons and why Islam came to be.
I will continue to read and like my husband says.. be careful not to read propaganda
With the help of Muslim friends and good sites like this Ill be able to learn more.. as I said in my post.. I ended with.. I learn every day.
Once again I apoligise if I offended anyone I am in the learning stages.
Aishaa.
SALAAM,
Try listening to Yusuf Estes' talks. He deals with a lot of these issues.He used to be a devout Christian preacher and knbows the Holy Bible relly really well.
Also try listening to Ahemd Deedat, Zakir Naik and Jamal Badawi. They also deal with the issue of Christianity and Islam.
Here are some useful websites where you can listen to these learned people.
You say Jesus was not the son of God.. just a messenger.. so why then did he rise again? hard to do if youre just a man. The whole foundation of Christianity was the fact that Jesus proved who he was by his death and ressurection..
Based on this logic... was prophet Moses a God too? Didnt he have miracles of his own? Such as parting the sea etc..?
With all due respect.. If someone wanted to produce another religeon dismissing Christianity.. Whats the first thing you must do?.. Tell everyone that his death was fake. ONly then would people follow the new religeon.
This doesnt make any sense...
the testemonies of Aisha were not accepted by Islam because she was a woman..
Huh? How can this be true when Aisha is one of the top narrators of hadith? I dont know what kind of sources you are getting your information from, but her testimonies were accepted, as are the testimones of all women.
but none the less you have to read with interest about Prophet Mohammeds clear low opinion of women...
This is clearly not true, as when islam was revealed it elevated the status of women, rather then lowered it. Again i suggest that you stop reading from what seems to be anti-islamic sources.
IF Jesus and Mohammed were both soley messengers.. then why was Jesus born to a virgin.. yet Mohammed was not.. Why was Jesus given the gift of healing.. yet Mohammed was not..Why did Jesus stay pure.. while Mohammed had 9 wives.. one of them a child and had many concubines? Why is Mohammed in a grave.. while Jesus was called back to God? The differences between them are drasticly different.
You know whats even more amazing than being born to a virgin... the fact that prophet Adam was born with NO parents and that his wife was born from a man! Does that make those two Gods as well? Or is it, like the birth of Jesus, a miracle from God?
And what about Mary, his mother, shes the one who became pregnant even though she was a virgin... does that make her a God too?
All these things that you speak of a simply miracles given to the prophets by God. They didnt do themselves, rather God did the miracles through them. God have different prophets different miracles, its that simple.
I hope you understand where i am coming from, and that you see the flaw in your question.
Christianity is a religion built not around God, or His book
like ALL religions Christianity is ALL about God; but this statment is true, when it say's, that our faith is not a faith in Book:
Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book." Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, a word which is "not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living".73 If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures.
- Catholic Church Catechism
- for there was no 'book' until 150 years after Jesus' death
of course you remember that first Paul's letter was wrtten around 50, and last Gospel no later then 110.
But after his death, the 'magical' personality must be kept alive and 'Son of God' appears to suitably qualify all his actions.
after His death His disciples were both disappionted by His death and scared of prosecution. Then something happened and everything changed, fishermens from Galilea preached in whole empire that He has risen, even when for this they were tortured and killed. What have changed them? We asnswer here, that they have seen HIM
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Hello Aishaa!
I have to say that I agree with Glo:
I don't think Islam is a continuation of Christianity.
and Woodrow:
Islam is not a continuation of Christianity.
Muslims of course will say that are continuing Isa's message. We say obviously that we continue Jesus message. Maybe we should get used to referring to "Islam's Jesus" ONLY as "Isa", and "Christan's Isa" ONLY as "Jesus"???
Because it seems to me, we are so often NOT talking about the same person.
once again, welcome to a Islamicboard sister!
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I am told that Islam is a continuation of Christianity and that Christianity is not dismissed by Islam.. yet there are so many differences.
Islam allows for different degrees of worship according to difference in the set of knowledge that has been both studied and scientifically verified. Being fully converted in the sense of able to be held in Allah against any and every part of Qur'an, Gospel, and Torah; is not a teachable thing but experiential. No Moslem can expect of any other Moslem to comprehend the entireity of the teaching until that person is within their own experiential lesson that confirms the full teaching.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aishaa
Christ said that violence in any form was wrong.. to turn the other cheek.. he also said to live by the sword is to die by the sword.. yet Prophet Mohammed was a leader of an entire army.
The Prophets army at all times were that they died by the sword if they lived by the sword. Even if not killed in bloodshed of war, taking unto their own death that blood was shed. [/QUOTE]
format_quote Originally Posted by Aishaa
Jesus forgave a woman who was to be stoned to death and told people.. LEt he without sin cast the first stone.. no-one did because they knew they had all sinned in their own ways.. Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more....Yet in the Quoran clearly talks about brutal punnishments that certain countries still practice today.
The punishments are not for those whom are equally guilty of to enforce; and in Islam they can not. If there are persons guilty whom enforce punishment for what they are guilty of they only show themselves up as not in true Islam.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aishaa
Jeus told us to drink red wine and take bread to remember him.. yet in Islam ALL alcahol is forbidden STrangely enough.. as a healer as Jesus was.. healing properties have been found in red wine.
The healing property in red wine is able to be supplanted by other substances in the anti-oxidant range of matter. Other healing property in red wine is only in the fact of it being causal to a portion of brain damage so when it had been prescribed by Jesus it was for isolated instances in which the mind might forget one thing only within providence of better by Jesus. Also, the teaching He provided was before his knowledge of The Dajjal and that The Behemoth and The Dajjal (the beasts in Revelations chapter 13) utilise alcohol for their own purposes; thereby having made alcohol more dangerous since Jesus time. Additionally the fact of the Holy Communition utilising red wine is not truly adherent to the original and many modern churches are actualising use of non-alcoholic grape juice.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aishaa
Jesus said.. one woman for one man.. and all thier properties to be shared.. in the marriage ceremony of a Christian wedding.. the words are.. All what I have I share with you.. all what I am I give to you. Yet in Islam the wife only takes a share of an entire lifes worth when her husband dies and he can also have up to 4 wives.
I think you might find that in the matter of a marriage Jesus relied upon Torah to a large extent since the teaching of Torah then needed less further clarity in the matter of marriage than it needed in other matters. But also I will manifest that I am not a scholar so can not immediately point to, but that surely these are not the only statements Jesus made about marriage. Also I am not at all sure by what you intented to portray by "only takes a share of an entire lifes worth"; since who could want more than that?
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.. well Christianity didnt work so he talked to prophet Mohammed.. God in my mind does NOT make mistakes.
Id love to hear some other view points on this.
Quite correct, Allah made no mistake. Jesus tried a specific approach to correcting Human mistakes and he proved only that many are too deluded about themself to readily accept that teaching. Jesus did prove need for Islam.
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Christians changed Christianity so therfore envoked God to yet again send another messenger. How did this happen?
Prophet Muhammad is promised in the Bible... God sent messengers to all people in the world...for example.. Moses was in egypt...Jesus to Bethleham... but Mohammad is for all of mankind because he is the LAST of the messengers...read further at the link below.
Christianity is based on what happened when it happened, everything Jesus said was recorded AT THE TIME.. and not written years after his death or through memory as I believe the teachings of Prophet Mohammed was.. forgive me if I am wrong but this is what I have learnt
Actually, the Quran was complete during the life time of the Prophet Mohammad... It is recorded in history... and even logically if you think about it... It was the arabs who invented paper so for them to not write it on paper is strange... and Prophet Mohammad came after Jesus, so there were many advancements in literature and in everything actually compared to the previous centuries.
Believe it or not, Popes have changed the Bible of today from the Bible of the past... if you want to know more... research a little about the enlightenment age and the time period sourround Pope regiems... We have so many versions of the Bible today, whereas there is only ONE version of the Quran. ANYWHERE in the world you go... there is only one book... and its letter to letter iIdentical... and that is the Quran.
No one in the world can change the Quran, you know why? Because people have memorized it word for word during the time of the prophet till now... so if you change the Quran... it is spotted immediately. That is why you may see different things between Islam and Christianity... Otherwise, it is the same message Jesus(as) and Mohammad (sws) preached... and we believe Jesus will return to lead the Muslims... very detailed description of the events to come are also given... but I won't get into that..
You say Jesus was not the son of God.. just a messenger.. so why then did he rise again? hard to do if youre just a man. The whole foundation of Christianity was the fact that Jesus proved who he was by his death and ressurection.. With all due respect.. If someone wanted to produce another religeon dismissing Christianity.. Whats the first thing you must do?.. Tell everyone that his death was fake. ONly then would people follow the new religeon.
We as Muslims don't believe he rose from the dead... we believe that God raised him up to the heavens because the people were not listening to him... that is why he said "ye evil and adultrous generation, you seekth here for a sign.. no sign shall be given to you except the sign of Jona" but the point is that people went astray and made their own conclusions... As far as his ressurrection... I wont say anything because you believe what you believe... Quran is the final book sent by God to affirm the previous messengers and guide the people to the One God. Did you know that the bible doesn't even mention the word trinity? But Quran does?
I have an English version of the Quoran which I read with intrest, I also read a lot.. the testemonies of Aisha were not accepted by Islam because she was a woman
This is totally false, I don't know where you heard that from. Aisha (rad) is the role model for muslim women... that is totally wrong.
but none the less you have to read with interest about Prophet Mohammeds clear low opinion of women... Jesus never married let alone 9 wives and certainly never married a child.
Ok, I know a lot of people raise this question why Prophet Mohammad married a 9 year old... this is a misconnception... she was not 9... many people think she was 9, but in reality she was 13-15 because she took part in a battle in which no one is allowed to participate unless their the age of 15. And at the age of 15, it was common practice get married early... because they didn't live long as we do now... If you want to read more about it.. I can provide a link... And as far as his wives... I already explained in my previous post why multiple wives are allowed... Islam didn't come to suppress women, it actually came to liberate them... at the time of his revelations, people in makkah were burrying the females alive... there was much prostitution and slavery... Islam gives rights to women not take them away. Quran explicitly states, if you cannot be just to your wives, then you cannot marry more than one.
IF Jesus and Mohammed were both soley messengers.. then why was Jesus born to a virgin.. yet Mohammed was not.. Why was Jesus given the gift of healing.. yet Mohammed was not..Why did Jesus stay pure.. while Mohammed had 9 wives.. one of them a child and had many concubines? Why is Mohammed in a grave.. while Jesus was called back to God? The differences between them are drasticly different.
Jesus was born to virgin marry (may Allah be pleased with her) beause Allah willed it so... Just because Jesus was born to a virgin doesn't make him divine... God is capable of anything... even creating life without a male partner... As far as miracles are concerned... each prophet had their own miracles... like Moses parted the sea.. why didn't Jesus? You see... where Jesus lived people needed cures and Jesus provided them with the will of Allah and with His permission..
Jesus too will return to earth.... live out his life and be burried next to Mohammad... there is a place reserved for him. I suggest you read Chapter 19 of the Quran and read hadith (sayings of the prophet) regarding Jesus (Isa).
I am leaning it from the beginning and studying every aspect.. not just falling in to it blindly lead by people who just want me to convert to a religeon I know not a lot about. In Fact I wonder how many people who are in the religeon follow it because their family and friends do.. and only study the Quoran,,, theres so much more to this religeon than meets the eye. PLease take everything I have said with respect as I learn day by day.
No one can force you to you convert to Islam... There is no compulsion in the religion of Islam... as stated in Quran.
Take your time.. learn about Islam.. and decide for yourself.
The difference between Islam and Christianity isn't the teachings of Jesus, because even in the Bible, the teaching of Jesus are the same as those of the OT.
Refer to Matthew 17-19: -
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Aisha mentioned the story of Jesus and the Mary who was about to be stoned, followed by the famous words "let him with no sin cast the first stone".
Yet Jesus never once said anything about the abolishment of the OT laws, he followed them, and as you can see, he urged his followers to follow them too.
So why is Islam and Christianity so apparently different? It's simple, its one man. St. Paul. He abolished the laws and remade Christianity. If tomorrow you were to ignore the teachings of St. Paul and followed ONLY Jesus, then you'd find yourself following something so close to Islam.
Glo - you mentioned that you found it implausible that God would make a new covenant and then undo it with Muhammad (pbuh). But don't you see God didn't make that new covenant - St. Paul did. There has only ever been one covenant - to believe in God and to follow his messenger. The teachings of all the Prophets of the same, and we make no distinction between them. But St. Paul was never a prophet and we will never accept him. By the quote shown above, Jesus calls St. Paul (and anyone else who changes the laws) "the lowest in the kingdom of heaven".
This is clearly not true, as when islam was revealed it elevated the status of women, rather then lowered it. Again i suggest that you stop reading from what seems to be anti-islamic sources.
How can Muslims say that Mohammed elevated the status of women? We only have to look at how he took Jewish women such as Safia Bint Huyay. Mohhamed took her for himself after killing her tribe, Women were regarded as booty you can read about this full story for yourself (Ibn Saad, al-Tabaqat, pp. 120-123).
This is clearly not an anti Islamic source.
anyway.. back to the subject...I hear that all the prophets come with the same messages from God.. yet its the people who change the messages.. I also hear that Christianity WAS Islam that was altered by the people and the bible...so therefore.. Islam is a continuation of Christianity.. it doesnt make any sense to say that it isnt if Islam existed before and after Christianity. IF it isnt.. what was Christianity?
This is clearly not true, as when islam was revealed it elevated the status of women, rather then lowered it. Again i suggest that you stop reading from what seems to be anti-islamic sources.
How can Muslims say that Mohammed elevated the status of women? We only have to look at how he took Jewish women such as Safia Bint Huyay. Mohhamed took her for himself after killing her tribe, Women were regarded as booty you can read about this full story for yourself (Ibn Saad, al-Tabaqat, pp. 120-123).
This is clearly not an anti Islamic source.
anyway.. back to the subject...I hear that all the prophets come with the same messages from God.. yet its the people who change the messages.. I also hear that Christianity WAS Islam that was altered by the people and the bible...so therefore.. Islam is a continuation of Christianity.. it doesnt make any sense to say that it isnt if Islam existed before and after Christianity. IF it isnt.. what was Christianity?
Regarding Safia Bint Huyay - are you asking, quoting, defending? I'm not too sure what the question (if there is one) is.
Regarding Islam and Christianity.
You have to understand the world Islam - it means "submission to God's will". It also includes meanings such as 'peace' and 'serenity' as a product of Islam.
Will you say that the Prophet's were in 'submission to God's will'? Yes, of course they were. And they taught mankind to submit to God's will as well. In fact, as Yusuf Estes (see www.islamalways.com) points out, the teaching of submission to God's will is in the Lord's prayer : -
"your will on earth as it is in heaven".
So when we say Islam existed before Christianity, we refer to the fact that mankind is born in submission to God (and not with the original sin), and that all the Prophets, from Adam, Abraham to Jesus were in 'submission to God's will'.
It is not 100% correct to say Islam is a continuation of Christianity because it assumes Christianity is correct. By Islamic standards of monotheism - Christianity is polytheistic (due to the trinity).
Rather, it is better to think of Islam revealed through the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a 'reformation' of the previous messages 'confirmation' of the previous Prophets.
If you take a slave girl as your sexual partner... you have to treat her like a wife... and Prophet Mohammad married his slave after she reverted to Islam.
Do you know what the christian crusaders did after they captured the city? raped all women and then killed every single one including the women and children and the elderly.
So how is that justified in the name God? how were they any different from gengis khan who raped and plundered everything he came across? Whats so different between them and barbarians?
Islam gave them rights.. Islam allowed interfaith cities... religious freedom. You've been decieved by the media and stories of people.
Christianity means... followers of christ..
Why isn't islam called Mohammadism? followers of Mohammad. Because God chose this religion for us.. not some guy.
Christ preached the message of One God... read it in your bible.. Mark 12:29... Just like all the prophets that came before Mohammad (sws).
Whether its continuation of christianity or not... it doesn't matter.. you need to look at the message they both preached.. It's the same message.
If you want to watch some videos refuting whether Jesus was even crucified look at these...
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