The title of an article that appeared in the Christian Awake magazine. Read it, they admit to errors in the Bible, but in the conclusion they'll maintain that it is still the authentic word of God. This is what has become Christian logic. The 1957 article has been preserved here for the record of Dawah.
peace,
islamicfajr
Last edited by islamicfajr; 10-12-2006 at 01:25 AM.
therebbe[/B]] And who will be the judge of if it is better?
format_quote Originally Posted by Ähmed
Anyone can judge and see if it will meet the above criteria. It doesnt take a genius to figure it out.
gazakum Allah khyran brother / Ahmed
put i think ...therebbe....always lie his eyes....
This is the book; in it is guidance, sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah; [3] Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; [4] And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. [5] They are on (true guidance), from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper. [6] As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.[7] Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). [8] Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe. [9] Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not! [10] In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: and grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).[11] When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only want to make peace!" [12] Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not. [13] When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.[14] When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you we (were) only jesting." [15] Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (to and fro). [16] These are they who have bartered guidance for error: but their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction. [17] Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see [17] Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see. [18] Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). [19] Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: in it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: they press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunderclap, the while they are in terror of death. But Allah is ever round the rejecters of Faith! [20] The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things.
islamicfajr...
Are you interested in others comments about those articles? Doesn't seem so...
All these articles are supposed to do, is to undermine my faith and lead me to Islam, right? Then i just a walking dawah aim in your eyes!
I'm NOT a walking "dawah aim"!!
I have my story, my faith, my reason - i'm sameone with whom you may talk, agree or disagree. i'm more than a subject of your dawah! But to know this you would have to talk to me!
And what are you doing? all you do is copy-pasting antichristian articles (with arguments that have been used here MANY times). Then you answer with another dose of Quran quotes!
I don't want to talk to holy book! I'm interested in people!
What's the aim of being on forum when neither do you voice your opinions, nor listen to others?
i think ...i didn't post antichristian articles....but i show u the truth..
about my replies...i learn my book Quran by my heart and that's Enough 4 me.
All my post ..even it's long as All christian saied...but 4m where...show the Turth...if u didn't have time to read....i think the better don't reply on my post....read and come ..u wellcome....
But that is not because of the book. It is because the family beliefs that have been passed down to the child.
It doesnt matter. To produce an equal of the Quran, this has to be done because this is something that makes the Quran unique. Which other book can boast such a thing?
“Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun
"It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl
It doesnt matter. To produce an equal of the Quran, this has to be done because this is something that makes the Quran unique. Which other book can boast such a thing?
Boast what? That it has made a challenge that can never be completed because the judges already have the final awnsers in there heads? To make a challenge like that is not earth shattering. The judges of what is the better book are Muslims.
That is why I am not that impressed.
I could say, write in Hebrew a better book than the Torah. No one will do it, because I will always say it isn't, because I believe it can't be. Same with you.
In the Torah not one word or letter does not have a meaning. Not one letter does not have a purpose.
No Hebrew scholor has found a latter that has no purpose. Or word that does not either.
Boast what? That it has made a challenge that can never be completed because the judges already have the final awnsers in there heads? To make a challenge like that is not earth shattering. The judges of what is the better book are Muslims.
If it is a challange that cannot be completed then you agree that no other Book has the qualities (as mentioned in my previous post) that the Quran has and no other Book will. Thank you. Glad to see we agreed on something after all.
I already told you that any one can judge once a book completes those criteria.
That is why I am not that impressed
I could say, write in Hebrew a better book than the Torah. No one will do it, because I will always say it isn't, because I believe it can't be. Same with you.
I have outlined the criteria and they werent based on belief as you claimed. I expressley stated:
format_quote Originally Posted by Ähmed
Anyone can judge and see if it will meet the above criteria. It doesnt take a genius to figure it out.
In the Torah not one word or letter does not have a meaning. Not one letter does not have a purpose.
No Hebrew scholor has found a latter that has no purpose. Or word that does not either.
You are straying from the subject. Please remain on topic. This discussion is not about the value of letters in the Torah.
“Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun
"It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl
[118] If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one People: but they will not cease to dispute,
[119] Except those on whom thy Lord hath bestowed His Mercy: and for this did He create them: and the Word of thy Lord shall be fulfilled: "I will fill Hell with jinns and men all together."(11:118-119)
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[99] If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
[100] No soul can believe, except by the Will of Allah, and He will place Doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand. (10:99-100)
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[93] If Allah so willed, He could make you all one People: but He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions. (16:93)
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[8] Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring, so that he looks upon it as good, (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!(35:8)
14] If ye invoke them, they will not listen to your call, and if they were to listen, they cannot answer your (prayer). On the Day of Judgment they will reject your "Partnership." And none, (O man!) can tell thee (the Truth) like the one who is acquainted with all things.
[15] O ye men! It is ye that have need of Allah: but Allah is the One Free of all wants, worthy of all praise.
[16] If He so pleased, He could blot you out and bring in a New Creation:
[17] Nor is that (at all) difficult for Allah.
[18] Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another's burden. If one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load, not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other), even though he be nearly related. Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to Allah.
[19] The blind and the seeing are not alike;
[20] Nor are the depths of Darkness and the Light;
[21] Nor are the (chilly) shade and the (genial) heat of the sun:
[21] Nor are the (chilly) shade and the (genial) heat of the sun:
[22] Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves.
[23] Thou art no other than a warner.
[24] Verily We have sent thee in Truth, as a bearer of glad tidings, and as a warner: and there never was a people, without a warner having lived among them (in the past).
[26] In the end did I punish those who rejected Faith: and how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)!(35:14-26)
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peace,
islamicfajr
Last edited by islamicfajr; 10-12-2006 at 09:12 PM.
If it is a challange that cannot be completed then you agree that no other Book has the qualities (as mentioned in my previous post) that the Quran has and no other Book will. Thank you. Glad to see we agreed on something after all.
Alright, so let us say I write a book. 2 Billion Christians say it is better than the Quran... 1 Billion Muslims say it isn't.
I think you miss the meaning of God's challenge.....
you'll have to bring a whole new religion for people to follow
The verses of its book have to be transcendent such as those in the Quran... even the catholic encyclopedia, they admit, they are not sure where the Quran came from.....
In other words ... you bring a religion ... you state it in a text, in rhythm, rhyme, meaning, similar to but not copied from the Quran....encompassing every aspect of man's life including things that have to do with the human body ...this life, the here after and rituals, make them so unique and outrageous for people of now so that will stand the test of time, generations down the line.....but not lose the style that is unique ... in other words if you are familiar with Arabic you will notice no two suras follow the same context or style ... and can only be appreciated in Arabic, as no translation does it justice ... if you can we'll be looking forward... truly that is the greatest miracle of the illitrate prophet mohammed (PBUH)
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
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