Yet there is confusion. Not only between different religions but even within each and every religion. You take a simple example, alcohol. Try a complex one live Aposticy or the vail. You will here many different interpretations.
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even alcohol isn't simple. i've had muslims tell me that the qur'an only says that drinking to intoxication is sinful - not the alcohol itself.
should add that i don't want to cause an argument here - i have no position on the subject.
ok bad example, but you get at what i mean, how we need a guide right to show us how to follow and worship god properly. hence why we believe god sent many messengers and revelations
Make Dua for your Brothers and the Angels will make Dua for You!
Happy moments, Praise Allah
Difficult moments, Seek Allah
Quiet moments, Worship Allah
Painful moments, Trust Allah
Every moment, Thank Allah
If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
ok bad example, but you get at what i mean, how we need a guide right to show us how to follow and worship god properly. hence why we believe god sent many messengers and revelations
There are almost no good examples. The way to worship god properly? I have no problem. I just say "Hi god, thanks for a good day, thanks for the love of my wife,........" . Do you think god would be offended?
We all believe different thangs. I for one, do not believe god sent any messengers or revelations. But you do, and that's cool.
There is nothing simple or straight forward, when it comes to religion.
well, i think we only have one buddhist and one hindu here right now. but i am interested to know what are the main differences, in your views, between hinduism and buddhism?
the main ones i can think of (and i may be wrong) is that hindus believe in god and buddhists do not. and of course, the caste system...
once trumble commented that hinduism and buddhism have different views on reincarnation - could you elaborate on that and also, could you discuss the concept of karma? (i have a vague idea).
is it true that a long time ago hindus persecuted buddhists and if so, why?
thanks.
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well, i think we only have one buddhist and one hindu here right now. but i am interested to know what are the main differences, in your views, between hinduism and buddhism?
the main ones i can think of (and i may be wrong) is that hindus believe in god and buddhists do not. and of course, the caste system...
once trumble commented that hinduism and buddhism have different views on reincarnation - could you elaborate on that and also, could you discuss the concept of karma? (i have a vague idea).
is it true that a long time ago hindus persecuted buddhists and if so, why?
thanks.
Good thread.... but one thing that I cant consume that Buddhists dont believe in God... Coz Buddhists in Malaysia worship Buddha... Maybe I need some clarification from trumble....
true there not much point in learning from either if they ain't got one God: unless they in your debt and your own certainty in Allah is sound as can be.
what is most interesting is that Hindu and Buddhism have been side by side for long now and they are almost completely opposite one another but work in together seamlessly when Allah is within belief of both
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i've had muslims tell me that the qur'an only says that drinking to intoxication is sinful - not the alcohol itself.
Yes... it is.
Muslims can use perfume with alcohol, or pens with ink that contains alcohol... the prohibition is 'to consume anything intoxicated'... FULL STOP!!!kay:
My first thought was that this is an improper thread as we are trying to instigate an arguement between 2 religions that we are not a part of. However on second thoughts and seeing that there are so few Buddhists and Hindus here, it probably is appropriate for them to place their views in one thread. although there are few people here that are practising Buddhist, I believe there are a few of us reverts that have to some extent lived as Buddhist. Prior to my reversion to Islam I had lived both as a Christian and as an agnostic. During my agnostic period I did try to live the life of a Buddhist. I did not consider Buddhism to be a religion and still don, t to me it was a simple philosophy of moral attitude. I followed the 5 ethical precepts of Zen, which are:
1. I will be mindful and reverential with all life,
I will not be violent nor will I kill.
2. I will respect the property of others, I will not steal.
3. I will be conscious and loving in my relationships,
I will not give way to lust.
4. I will honor honesty and truth, I will not deceive.
5. I will exercise proper care of my body and mind,
I will not be gluttonous nor abuse intoxicants.
To myself that is what Buddhism was and it did not apply to any particular religion. For myself it was an excellent code for an agnostic to follow.
But that is Zen, I know there are other concepts of Buddhism. Perhaps others can give some input?
woodrow,
when i raised this subject i didn't put it on the existing hinduism thread because i didn't think it was appropriate and that thread looked like it was mainly going to bash hinduism, which is why i started a new thread.
i am sincerely interested in the similarities and differences between buddhism and hinduism - not to trash them, simply to learn.
it is certanly not about instigating an argument between the 2 religions! (there is more than enough arguing going on in this section).
i know a little about both religions (more so buddhism) and would like to know more from hindus and buddhists. we only have 1 of each as far as i know, and i think both are quite capable of mature discussion.
i don't think "comparative religion" should be nothing but endless debates and arguments. i feel we can all benefit from learning as much as we can.
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From an academic stand point I too would like to learn more about both of them. My knowledge of Buddhism is pretty much limited to Zen. I have vituraly no knowledge of Hinduism.
I do not want to see either religion bashed. I feel that by having both on the same thread it is much easier to moderate.
Sorry, guys.. I will come back sometime over the weekend to try and answer some of this stuff re. Buddhism, anyway; just a tad tied up in the real world at present.
Can we add Shintoism to this thread? I have recently received a "shrine" from my Japanese pen-pal, for "good luck." ... she told me not to open it. It is the most curious thing...... really want to know what it is all about..... but don't want to open it to inspect its contents, it looks like a shiny brocade envelope. Her English isn't splendid & I don't want to get into a religious chain letter with her for an explanation ... probably be more tedious than chess by mail....
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But that leaves it open to interpretation. Either X is permissable or it is not. One perosn using his intelect could say alcohol is not allowed, then another can say according to him it is permissable. now who is right, only one of them is, it cant be right for one perosn and wrong for another. it only makes sense that when god created us he gave us guidelines to live, as he is our god and he wouldnt let us be led astray, he loves us and so sends revelations to us to help us
Brother, I dont bellieve in divine guidelines. I think that ALLAH has given us humans enough mind to sort out whats good and whats bad for them. No divine decree is needed for it. Man made laws are working better for humans rather than so called divine laws, all over the world.
And my belief in no divine laws is strengthened from the fact that no divine laws have practically helped its followers to form a good society for them.
Yes I dont believe that ALLAH has given us any commands or laws, he has given us enough brain to know that whats right and whats wrong for Us.
this can be valid if you have to live in this world alone or your acts doesnt affect others.
we are living in a society.
who ll judge?what you think right and wrong
,either you or anyone else or the circumstances which prove whether we were wrong or right.
think twice before allowing everyone to do what he thinks right or wrong.
think abt th e universe not yurself as individual entity.
the codes given in religious books abt human being are in relation with society to maintain peace.
I would like to know too ... why Chinese Buddhists different from Thai Buddhists (in practice, rituals, gods)?
I'll try and answer that one.
Simply, there is a great amount of variation in Buddhism, and in the two and a half thousand years or so of its existence it has diverged, in places, considerably from the 'original' teachings of the Buddha, at least as far as we know them from the Pali canon; which is as close to 'original' as we have (they were still written some considerable time after the Buddha's death, transmission prior to that being by word of mouth).
Buddhism has been particularly prone to such variation, (or 'corruption' depending on your point of view). One reason is that there has never been any centralized authority that controlled and suppressed the 'wrong' view, such as the Catholic/Roman church in Christianity. The other is that a religion/philosophy it is open to growth. There is no divine revalation, no word of God that must be followed. The Buddha himself's attitude to his teachings was pretty much 'suck-it-and-see'. Over the centuries variation arose as various masters found their own particular path and passed it on to their disciples, who passed it on (maybe with a few additions of their own) themselves. The Buddhism that is 'right' is which works for the individual concerned; each path to enlightenment is unique and the Buddha only pointed the way.
To take a couple of the most well known examples, the Tibetan traditions originated from Indian Buddhism mixed with doses of both Indian tantric traditions and the local religion, the Bon, essentially a form of animism, but even that is divided into two main schools, and that most closely aligned to the Bon effectively died some time ago.
Zen grew in China, although it was founded by an Indian who found his own route to enlightenment; one that concentrated exclusively on meditation and what are now called koans, short and generally nonsensical (in everyday terms) saying meant to shock the mind out if the illusion into which is has settled and to allow direct experience of reality.
As to 'gods' that has to be taken with care, particular in comparison to the Judeo/Christian/Islamic conception of God. Some traditions have incorporporated 'gods' as representations of particular spiritual realities (much the same as the Hindu gods), and are 'worshipped' primarily to gain an insight in to that reality. Others have developed 'popular' routes, acknowledging both that Buddhist philosophy was intellectually beyond much of the population, and the simple reality that not everybody could dump everything to trot off and sit and meditate for years. The best example is probably the 'Pure Land' school in which disciples believe that repetition of a prayer to Amida Buddha will result in rebirth in his 'pure land', from which final enlightenment will be easy to achieve... barely Buddhism at all, but widely popular as it is so simple, and does what is necessary to serve he spiritual need of many people.
Among all that, though, the core principles are still the same, the 'Four Noble Truths' as the Buddha taught them, and the Noble Eightfold Path. The latter will be easily recognisable to all Jews, Christians and muslims; the 'rules' for a spiritual life are always pretty much the same.
The Four Noble Truths
1. Life means suffering.
2. The origin of suffering is attachment.
3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.
4. The path to the cessation of suffering.
The Noble Eightfold Path
Wisdom
1. Right View
2. Right Intention
Ethical Conduct
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
Mental Development
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
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