I have yet to meet an individual that can prove the existence of this unseen entity that is known universally as god. My core beliefs stem from the fact that this world came to be by mere chance and probability. That is why I would to like call out to any one that can prove to me (once and for all) the existence of this so called god ( or maybe gods ……ha-ha).
P.S please try to use references to prove your points that are based on solid scientific facts
"Be in the world as though you were a stranger or a wayfarer."
The son of Omar used to say:
"At evening do not expect [to live till] morning, and at morning do not expect [to live till] evening. Take from your health for your illness and from your life for your death."
I have yet to meet an individual that can prove the existence of this unseen entity that is known universally as god. My core beliefs stem from the fact that this world came to be by mere chance and probability. That is why I would to like call out to any one that can prove to me (once and for all) the existence of this so called god ( or maybe gods ……ha-ha).
P.S please try to use references to prove your points that are based on solid scientific facts
"Be in the world as though you were a stranger or a wayfarer."
The son of Omar used to say:
"At evening do not expect [to live till] morning, and at morning do not expect [to live till] evening. Take from your health for your illness and from your life for your death."
maybe this is what he ment
With all the wars, and orphans, and rampaging illness that cause massive suffering to regular people, and worst children . . . it is very difficult to believe there is a god, or at least if there is one, the kind of god that allows the massive suffering of children would not be one I respect. Better ? - what kind of god ?
The proof in in the pudding, if there is a god, what kind of god is he really ?
got it from some where
"Be in the world as though you were a stranger or a wayfarer."
The son of Omar used to say:
"At evening do not expect [to live till] morning, and at morning do not expect [to live till] evening. Take from your health for your illness and from your life for your death."
A big error many of us who believe in Allah(swt) make. We often ask the unbeliever to prove that God(swt) does not exist. Unfortunatly, that is an illogical question. It is impossible to prove something does not exist.
Not a person here can prove they do not have a 10 ton purple elephant living in their 3 ounce sugar bowl.
Asking a person to prove something does not exist. Is a question that will only lead to emotionalism and personal attacks. It is a worthless question, unless the intent is to solidify the persons disbelief.
It is our responsibility to give evidence as to why we know God(swt) exists. It is their choice to accept or deny the evidence.
I would love to see an ongoing experiment, where a glass cup is dropped again and again, just so we can see from now till humans die out, if there is ever within that time period a time where the glass cup breaks in half exact or where the glass cup breaks into small little glass cups.
That would be interesting.
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
I would love to see an ongoing experiment, where a glass cup is dropped again and again, just so we can see from now till humans die out, if there is ever within that time period a time where the glass cup breaks in half exact or where the glass cup breaks into small little glass cups.
That would be interesting.
lol i brought that one up to him earlier with some others. he just did a pick and choose, but still not answering my question lol.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
A big error many of us who believe in Allah(swt) make. We often ask the unbeliever to prove that God(swt) does not exist. Unfortunatly, that is an illogical question. It is impossible to prove something does not exist.
yes, it is. it is equally illogical for a believer to try to prove that god exists.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
I will resort to a classic that I'm sure Ahmed has seen before:
The bacterial flagellum's stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It is not convenient that we've given these parts these names - that's truly their function. If you were to find a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, or propeller in any vehicle, machine, toy or model, you would recognize them as the product of an intelligent source. No one would expect an outboard motor -- much less one as incredible as the flagellar motor -- to be the product of a chance assemblage of parts. Motors are the product of intelligent design.
Its not very puzzling, try to make the best sense of it.
They are neither the product of intelligent design, nor chance. Natural selection shouldn't be confused with chance.
The rudiments of the flagella motor were already present in the Type III secretion system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretion). The genes for this could easily be copied by bacteria and the principle behind the proteins of the flagellar motor evolved. Not by chance, but by evolution - working from the simple up to the complex, slowly.
yes, it is. it is equally illogical for a believer to try to prove that god exists.
Not if you come from a scientific perspective it isnt. In science, experiments never disprove anything, they just prove that something else is more likely to happen. Look at all the theories they have, they dont make another theory invalid or less likely. Therefore theoretically, it is the job on the non-believer to prove that god doesnt exist, and not for us to prove that god does exist. Again this is if you take the scientific perspective.
A blind person will never see the blue sky. For that person there is no way to prove the sky even exists or is blue.
To a non-believer there is no acceptable proof of Gods(swt) existance and for that person God(swt) does not exist, and will not exist.
There is no need to prove the existance of God(swt), a person only needs to accept the Love of God(swt) and the warmth will lead to the proof.
Whether that person will see the sky or not, the composition of the atmosphere and the electromagnetic spectrum are still able to be subjected to scientific scrutiny, and have always been. God, by most accounts, is beyond any sort of scientific testing.
Whether that person will see the sky or not, the composition of the atmosphere and the electromagnetic spectrum are still able to be subjected to scientific scrutiny, and have always been. God, by most accounts, is beyond any sort of scientific testing.
Well...yeh..if he was bound by physical science, then he wouldnt be God...Im still trying to understand the point here! God cannot be proved, we know that, we dont think he can either, thats why its faith,belief. Way we see it, if like your mum comes to you when your really young, and says to you, Look darling dont light a match, then you tend not to do it, or suffer the consequences. Most children however wont do it, because they have faith,belief that love (which is not a tangible entity, and as far as proof goes, you cant prove it exists) exists between you and your mum. You know that she cares for you so much, that she wouldnt want to harm you. At times, it doesnt matter if you dont understand why you shouldnt do something, or the reason behind it, you just have so much belief that your mother loves you that you wont do it, no questions asked. Im not trying to say you shouldnt question religion, by all means do, but with most muslims, (or rather maybe i speak for myself), after you have questioned,and then believed, you have an absolute love and faith in your lord, thats all.
Well...yeh..if he was bound by physical science, then he wouldnt be God...Im still trying to understand the point here! God cannot be proved, we know that, we dont think he can either, thats why its faith,belief. Way we see it, if like your mum comes to you when your really young, and says to you, Look darling dont light a match, then you tend not to do it, or suffer the consequences. Most children however wont do it, because they have faith,belief that love (which is not a tangible entity, and as far as proof goes, you cant prove it exists) exists between you and your mum. You know that she cares for you so much, that she wouldnt want to harm you. At times, it doesnt matter if you dont understand why you shouldnt do something, or the reason behind it, you just have so much belief that your mother loves you that you wont do it, no questions asked. Im not trying to say you shouldnt question religion, by all means do, but with most muslims, (or rather maybe i speak for myself), after you have questioned,and then believed, you have an absolute love and faith in your lord, thats all.
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The point that matters to atheists, well to me at least, is the question. "Prove God doesn't exist" comes across similar to "prove unicorns aren't hollow" or "prove fairies don't like to eat cake". There is no premise to begin from, science cannot reach these questions no more than it can reach 'the God question'. So faith in God seems to be on par with faith of hollow unicorns if science if dismissed completely out of hand.
Also, this is probably off topic slightly, but the Darwinian explanation for a child's trust in it's mother can also be explained by evolution. In that children who were disposed to listen to parental advice, likely to be helpful for their experience in the world, would put itself at risk less than a child who didn't. Clearly these children had a higher chance of survival and would perpetuate their advice-taking genes as opposed the children who didn't, who wouldn't listen to their mother about not playing near the lions and so their genes dwindled - leading us today with the overwhelming amount of children with brains accustomed to listening to their mother and other elders when advice is given about matches and such.
Whether that person will see the sky or not, the composition of the atmosphere and the electromagnetic spectrum are still able to be subjected to scientific scrutiny, and have always been. God, by most accounts, is beyond any sort of scientific testing.
Sky is basicaly a concept not a provable fact, although we can "see" what is perceived as a "sky". It is a perception rather than a place or thing. No matter high high you go, skyward is still above you. the color blue is only our minds concept of what the vibrations of the emf forces do to the nerve endings of our optic nerves.
It is true that God(swt) is beyond scientific testing. We have to rely on eyewitness accounts. Our proof comes from the validity of those accounts.
You can not scientificaly test that the war of 1812 occured in the year 1812. We believe it did because of historical documentation by people we place trust in. There are many things we know are fact and can not be scientificaly proven. A few examples that have not been mentioned:
The ability to think randomly
If people smell the same odors the same
The concept of a concept
If 2 nonmutualy causative effects occured at the exact same moment
Some things we have to base on observation and the words of witnesses and our own inner abilities.
The point that matters to atheists, well to me at least, is the question. "Prove God doesn't exist" comes across similar to "prove unicorns aren't hollow" or "prove fairies don't like to eat cake". There is no premise to begin from, science cannot reach these questions no more than it can reach 'the God question'. So faith in God seems to be on par with faith of hollow unicorns if science if dismissed completely out of hand.
Also, this is probably off topic slightly, but the Darwinian explanation for a child's trust in it's mother can also be explained by evolution. In that children who were disposed to listen to parental advice, likely to be helpful for their experience in the world, would put itself at risk less than a child who didn't. Clearly these children had a higher chance of survival and would perpetuate their advice-taking genes as opposed the children who didn't, who wouldn't listen to their mother about not playing near the lions and so their genes dwindled - leading us today with the overwhelming amount of children with brains accustomed to listening to their mother and other elders when advice is given about matches and such.
Lol...nice explanation. However i wasnt using my comment as an arguement for the existance of God, i was just explaning the fact that firstly belief is what it is, there is no proof. Secondly, how most muslims percieve god. But with darwins theory, (which is outdated and whilst many scientists belive in evolution, very few agree with Darwinism...read what he actually said.lol) Couldnt you assume that, seeing as the majority of people in this world believe in a form of a God, that we have evolved to believe in a God? (yes, i know that doesnt make complete sense, its part of the question.lol)
And, the thing is, with you, i cant really win. If i tell you God is bound by science, then your gona go, well, he cant be god, because he is just like us, so what makes him any greater, etc etc. and if i say he isnt bound by science, then well, wheres the proof, and its like a fairy.
Just one point, i dont know about our belief. We dont see ourselves as being better, or greater or more blessed neccesarily in this life by our belief in God. Its not that if you believe in God then your gonna become a millionaire, or anything physical. Thats why explaning God in a physical sense is hard, because He isnt physical, and we are.lol..im not gona try and convince you either to be honest, im jst trying to give you an insight into how we see things. I dont feel sorry for you, dont get me wrong, but my life, my point of it, ultimately, is God, its so hard for me to imagine not having that point,or purpose. What do you see as your purpose being? Its funny coz i sat down and thought about it. My grandad was born, he worked, married, raised a family, died. My dad studied, worked, married, has kids, and well, he will eventually die. I was born, am studying, want to marry,have kids, and well, im gona die wether i like it or not.lol, what makes you carry on living? We all seem to follow the same process, and i dont know, its hard to imagine it all ending there. Thats it? Kabam, and your gone? No sense of fairness or justness for those who had a 'bad' life. Im genuinely asking a question here, not trying to patronise, not trying to force my belief on you...
There are many perceptions, of course we could take the word sky out of the dictionary and insist everyone stick to strick scientific terminology and nothing would change, but I don't think any of them are credited with as much as God/gods are. God is by all accounts supposed to have sashayed through into the physical world to participate in virgin births, visions, spontaneous events of nature, mind reading etc.
Historical things, while we rely on historical retelling to learn of them, are not beyond scientific possibility. The war of 1812 could happen today within scientific parameters, an army of elephants could be marched over mountains tomorrow if anyone cared to put the effort into it. However, things that God is credited for such a mind reading, virgin births have never been shown as scientifically possible.
So accounts that are shown to be feasible today but with only hearsay I would more likely believe happened than supernatural accounts which have never stood up to scrutiny.
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