EDIT- I have noticed most people have missed the point of this thread. I started is as a discussion of whether or not Jesus can be God with respect to the attributes of God. This thread is not about 1+1+1=3 or bible V quran, bible is not true word of God... please stick to the topic and only draw on irrelevant point if is supoorts your points.
Another thread for the chrisians.
I have noticed three of the christians on this forum brought up a certain point, I think this qoute by Glo sums it up best, though she isnt the only one who has raised this point:
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Why is it as difficult to accept that God can do these things?
As Muslims you too believe that with God all things are possible.
The reason you reject the idea of Jesus' divinity, is that it doesn't fit into your religious teachings. That's fair enough. But for Muslim to say 'How can God do this? and 'Why would God do that?', seems rather odd. God knows best, and God is all-powerful ... we both believe this!
Instead of taking other threads off topic we can deal with this here I guess... My reply was:
Actually it only seems that way at a superficial glance but if you consider the matter a little more deeply you realise that the implications of God presenting himself to humans as a man are against the nature of God.
It does not represent an ability for him to do so, rather it represents a disablity because God would have had to reduce himself to a state in which he was no longer all knowing, all seeing, all hearing, all powerful, all mighty! And thats only touching the surface (God has 99 atrtributes in Islam, most of which He would have had to give up if He is to be human)!
Tell me, how is it that the all powerful can be overcome by His creations? He is no longer all powerful when He is crucified by man... He no longer all wise and all knowing when He cries out to God (to himself?) "Why have you forsaken me"! By making that cry He has sinned because He has questioned Gods will rather than remain patient- surely the all-knowing would have known already that this was the whole point of his becoming human? To sacrifice Himself? Why then did He seem to forget it here?
Thats just touching the surface of why this doesnt make sense to Muslims. I hope this did not come across as an attack on your faith, I was only intending to reply to your statement.
Erm yes I prefer if we keep this thread becuase there are three other questions being discussed by me and Grace Seeker in that thread lol and it isnt focused on this one issue only and also the discussion was pretty limited to the two of us and I want other people to be involved as well.
Not that I mind discussing Jesus Christ, far from it, but the answers you would get for this thread would be the same as the answers given in numerous other threads.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Erm yes I prefer if we keep this thread becuase there are three other questions being discussed by me and Grace Seeker in that thread lol and it isnt focused on this one issue only and also the discussion was pretty limited to the two of us and I want other people to be involved as well.
I guess the question is whether other people are willing and interested to discuss the same topics over and over again - when there are several threads already doing so.
I, for one, am not. (And it is getting late here ... )
The mods are usually quite keen on avoiding duplications ...
Peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I think the reason why all the threads discuss this issue is due to the fact that this is the pinnacle point between islam and christianity. We believe Jesus to be a blessed messenger of God, whereas christians claim him to be God.
That's the reason why it keeps repeating itself. And Allaah Almighty knows best.
in Islam God is Unique has no equal and cannot be compared to anything for anything else is but His creation the All powerful God without equal, when men say he has a son (istagfirullah) it is sad for to have a son means to give birth. and animals give birth, but God is above all of that, Glory be to Him when He issues something He only say Be and it is. He cannot be compared to anything.
God has no equal NO COMPARISON. they might say if He wills can he not have a son? yes He can but does God oppress you? .. the answer is NO He only does what suites is Majesty and His Uniqueness. He is the Creator And creates, creation is a product of His Will. And HE is above ALL!
See how beautyful that is?
He is ONE the First and Most Important commandment!
while everything can be compared He has no equal for He is The Creator, The Truth, the First. The Last, the Ever-Living, Eternal, The One,The Greatest, Most Mercifull, Most Gracious, All-Knowing, All Hearing, All Seeing
'And He is well aquanted with what ye do'
Glory and Praise are only for the One and Only True GOD, ALLAH!
PEACE be Upon you
Asalamu(PEACE, SAFTEY AND SUBMISSION) aleykum
The question is unfair, Whether they try or not I do not expect my christian freind to able to answer that.
Why not? That was not my wording, the christians on this forum are the ones who claimed he was 100% man and 100% God at the same time so it is only logical that they should be able to answer!
Why not? That was not my wording, the christians on this forum are the ones who claimed he was 100% man and 100% God at the same time so it is only logical that they should be able to answer!
They seem not to be interested anyway.
Well, this isn't really a question of percentages. The main issue is the way in which Muslims understand God, and the way in which Christians understand God. To a Christian, nothing is impossible with God. The concept of God being both man and the Almighty isn't that radical of an idea, or that hard to understand. So at the heart of the matter it is our different ways of understanding God. We could continue with a circular argument of quoting scripture and questioning translations, etc. However, I personally believe that the problem lies in the very different perceptions of God and how God manifests His will on Earth.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Come one the statement is illogical. I seriousely would not think our christian freind to go out of their way to endorse it. It will be a waste of time.
I think you been watching to many greek gods movies such as Jason and the argonaughts etc....
Maybe your talking about Zeus
If god came to earth like human then trust me the bible, the qu'ran all the holy books will be flawed,
Why should he come down as a human? his got messengers, Angels, everything, he is almighty
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Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habits.
Watch your habits, they become character.
Watch your character, they become destiny"
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Well, this isn't really a question of percentages. The main issue is the way in which Muslims understand God, and the way in which Christians understand God. To a Christian, nothing is impossible with God. The concept of God being both man and the Almighty isn't that radical of an idea, or that hard to understand. So at the heart of the matter it is our different ways of understanding God. We could continue with a circular argument of quoting scripture and questioning translations, etc. However, I personally believe that the problem lies in the very different perceptions of God and how God manifests His will on Earth.
Yes, exaclty, which leads us back to the argument I made about whether is is possibel for God to still be God in His 'human' form where he had to give up His attributes...
format_quote Originally Posted by Skillganon
Come one the statement is illogical. I seriousely would not think our christian freind to go out of their way to endorse it. It will be a waste of time.
I know it is illogical, thats why we are Muslims. But the Christians believe it! Please dont force me to go and actually quote where they have said that.
Either way, if you read my first post you will realise the issue is deeper than that.
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