I have noticed that there are threads for the purpose of asking christians and jews questions about their religions, but none for Sikhs. I also noticed that I know squat about the sikh religion.
So I have started this thread with the hopes that our sikh members will answer our questions when they have time.
Please, no debating. Just questions and answers. If you don't agee with a particular point that is made in an answer, then start another thread for the purpose of debate.
I would first ask if a sikh member could just give us a quick summary of their religion.
Second, a specific question. A member used the name Waheguru, in a post. Who is Waheguru?
well said avaar. www.searchgurbani. com is a good website which i usually use for translations of Guru Sahib. it also has an audio bar so can lisen to each ang that your on.
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
baptised practicing sikhs do not do what is stated in your post. punjabi culture has taken over. i know many muslims that drink, eat pork etc etc. that does not make it right, or apart of islam. the difference is, a sikh or a gursikh is only someone who is baptised and is a sikh. there is nothing ritualistic about 5 bania. i will get u information stating why this is done
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
i do believe i have found some logical flaws in sikhi but i dont want to go into them yet until i have read some of the scripture and looked at the background of it so i dont make an unfair judgement without looking into it more deeply like i have with judaism and christianity.
baptised practicing sikhs do not do what is stated in your post. punjabi culture has taken over. i know many muslims that drink, eat pork etc etc. that does not make it right, or apart of islam. the difference is, a sikh or a gursikh is only someone who is baptised and is a sikh. there is nothing ritualistic about 5 bania. i will get u information stating why this is done
the thing is, you go through certain meditations and contemplate upon them to become closer in understanding of God and your place in the universe?
a muslim could say the same thing about his prayers, a hindu the same, a jew the same, a christian the same.
other times collective acts of worship are gone through, this is all types of ritual.
what seems to be being spoken against is blind ritual without good intention or knowing why, this is surely what is wrong and as a position of agreement we could say this is wrong.
christians make the same allegations regarding muslims, it is just blind ritual but they dont look to the meanings behind this and the effects either and yet they also go through rituals of their own and deny the simularities of such denying they are ritual and calling it worship and meditation.
baptised practicing sikhs do not do what is stated in your post. punjabi culture has taken over. i know many muslims that drink, eat pork etc etc. that does not make it right, or apart of islam. the difference is, a sikh or a gursikh is only someone who is baptised and is a sikh. there is nothing ritualistic about 5 bania. i will get u information stating why this is done
i agree about so-called muslims doing haram also yet claiming islam, for example in principle a muslim who doesnt pray is in principle a disbeliever, same as one who eats haram meat without dire necessity and knowing what it is.
so i would not judge sikhi on this, only saying i must not have come across a practicing sikh then even though one of the ones i have spoken to kept beard and turban and i have seen such individuals in bars in my own days ignorance before islam.
i do believe i have found some logical flaws in sikhi but i dont want to go into them yet until i have read some of the scripture and looked at the background of it so i dont make an unfair judgement without looking into it more deeply like i have with judaism and christianity.
Abu Abdullah
OK, prove that the Shri Guru Granth is flawed, and I'll reject Sikhi, and embrace Islam. - You can't find anything.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
OK, prove that the Shri Guru Granth is flawed, and I'll reject Sikhi, and embrace Islam. - You can't find anything.
that is my intention and i take you up on your challenge,
please bare with me as i dont go into this sort of thing lightly, it takes a long time to research different faiths and to make sure you are not doing so from a subjective basis.
try not to die in the mean time as i dont want you to die a disbeliever before Allah gives me the opportunity to show you the truth!
I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected
With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)
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OK, prove that the Shri Guru Granth is flawed, and I'll reject Sikhi, and embrace Islam. - You can't find anything.
u must not embrace Islam just because if u lose a challenge.....if u don't really believe that God is one & Muhammed (p) is the last Prophet of God....does not matter what happens ......u must not become a Muslim.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected
With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)
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u must not embrace Islam just because if u lose a challenge.....if u don't really believe that God is one & Muhammed (p) is the last Prophet of God....does not matter what happens ......u must not become a Muslim.
Assalaamu Alaykum,
I agree,
But if Allah allows me to prove his faith false, then at least the way will then be clear for him to look into Islam,
Usually when building a house you have to clear the ground a little first, maybe even not down a whole structure that is there first before you begin the building work on the same site.
But he certainly shouldn’t agree to accept Islam just if I prove his holy book to be false, but perhaps agree he should look into Islam and see if it is true in its message and whether its scripture can hold up to similar scrutiny.
it is possible to buy a copy of this book translated into english from regular bookshops like i can buy a Quran or bible from waterstones?
Abu Abdullah
NO! - You'll have to order it because it's very sacred and cannot be found in any bookshops. If the Libary has a copy, it will be placed on the topshelf and covered in a rumalla (cloth)
As to the comment about dying, it's in the hands of Allah when I should die. - But I'm a beleiver, hence why I choose Sikhi as my path. Any others who class me as kafir etc are ignorant to the omnipotence of Allah and his will.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected
With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)
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u must not embrace Islam just because if u lose a challenge.....if u don't really believe that God is one & Muhammed (p) is the last Prophet of God....does not matter what happens ......u must not become a Muslim.
Well if he can prove to me Sikhi is not the religion of God, then why would I not embrace Islam, and accept Mohammed as his messenger? Nobody to this day has achieved it, so I can say I'll convert. Because it's not going to happen.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
agree, the sikh scriptures are not merely words that can be treated disrespectfully, i.e in a book store. there is no way something sacred as the word of God can be treated with respect in such places
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
agree, the sikh scriptures are not merely words that can be treated disrespectfully, i.e in a book store. there is no way something sacred as the word of God can be treated with respect in such places
That is why it's difficult to find a place other then the Gurdwara. I did hear of the public library keeping a copy on the shelf, but was removed when Sikhs complained of how it was placed amongst other books.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
u knw what snakelegs, the problem is confusing punjabis, with sikhs. a Sikh is a khalsa. a Gursikh. these are the true sikhs, they do not listen to music or wat ever. they have a code of conduct which they follow, and refrain from any cardinal sins. but then u have punjabi sikhs as a culture focused people... who love the drinking, music, etc etc. Gursikhs are spiritual, honest and peaceful people, who stand up for any right cause once all peaceful means have failed. it is an easy confusion to make, and is why every one has a distored concept of what sikhs really are!
most Gursikhs would agree with the concept of not listening to music such as hip hop, or rock etc, as they would rather listen to kirtan for spirituallity purposes. they do not recieve and bliss or anand from listening to anything otherwise. it comes down to spirituallity which is a major factor of sikhism
Last edited by One Man Army; 02-07-2007 at 09:59 PM.
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
u knw what snakelegs, the problem is confusing punjabis, with sikhs. a Sikh is a khalsa. a Gursikh. these are the true sikhs, they do not listen to music or wat ever. they have a code of conduct which they follow, and refrain from any cardinal sins. but then u have punjabi sikhs as a culture focused people... who love the drinking, music, etc etc. Gursikhs are spiritual, honest and peaceful people, who stand up for any right cause once all peaceful means have failed. it is an easy confusion to make, and is why every one has a distored concept of what sikhs really are!
most Gursikhs would agree with the concept of not listening to music such as hip hop, or rock etc, as they would rather listen to kirtan for spirituallity purposes. they do not recieve and bliss or anand from listening to anything otherwise. it comes down to spirituallity which is a major factor of sikhism
actually, i was thinking about gurbani - sikh devotional music (not bhangra!) and i can't imagine a sikh for going gurbani/kirtan. it's my understanding that music is a big part of worshipping god. when i'm not listening to qawwali, (which is almost all the time), i listen to gurbani. sikhnet has a great archive.
and how could a sikh forego the concept of gurbani, when even i like it and i'm not a sikh!
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
brilliant... good 2 c that some people can jus appreciate the best from every religion... p.s. if u ever need translations to the gurbani u listen too, feel free to pm me the shabad, and i will find the meanings 4 u!
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
the Quran is not the Quran unless it is in its original form in arabic and so therefore we have no issues with english or other language copies being sold in bookshops or in libraries.
I have read some of your book already online, i admit it is good poetry and has some general good advice but i think i have seen some errors but want to give it a fair go first and look into it more deeply before i come back to you on this.
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