What do you think when you hear or see signs that say "GOD BLESS AMERICA"?
I know some theists and atheists alike who dislike it strongly.
Personally I just find it tacky (but then living in Canada I'm not exposed to it as much).
The atheists object because God has nothing to do with America, or shouldn't, separation of church and state and all that jazz. The theists object to the idea of God actually picking a favourite group (their nation) and opposing another. But then isn't that the very thing that God does in the bible? Picking the Israelites and bringing them to destroy neighbouring tribes? So they confuse me.
America hasn't killed muslims. America has done nothing wrong. Your problem lies with the government. I think America is in the same situation as Britain. The majority of people in both countries are totally against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I am one of them but at the same time the majority of us support our troops and wish them all the best. We don't support the war, the governments do.
I understand and I know.
I think I explained it as above (my other posts) what I mean by america.
Your post confuzles me completely. Mean what? I asked a question. I didn't make a statement whatsoever.
well you asked what is the thought which comes up when he read or hear "God bless america". So the thought which comes to my mind when i read that is "WHY?" ie why should God bless America?
Im sorry but thats not just america, so many countries, so against the words of God, so full of corruption... why would God bless it?
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My tears testify that i have a heart
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well you asked what is the thought which comes up when he read or hear "God bless america". So the thought which comes to my mind when i read that is "WHY?" ie why should God bless America?
Im sorry but thats not just america, so many countries, so against the words of God, so full of corruption... why would God bless it?
I don't see a reason for a God to bless ANY nation. Why would a deity play favourites based on nationality of all things? It makes no sense. Its like praying to win a football game.
I don't see a reason for a God to bless ANY nation. Why would a deity play favourites based on nationality of all things? It makes no sense. Its like praying to win a football game.
If God chooses to bless a nation which strives to follow his commands then i would understand if he blessed it
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My tears testify that i have a heart
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To be honest I can not think of any Nation more in need of God's(swt) blessings than the USA. I feel that we have lost our path and strayed so far from God(swt) that it is going to take God's(swt) blessings and mercy to restore us. I see it as a public plea of asking God(swt) for help. we are a lost nation and hopefully with Allah's(swt) blessing we will return to worshiping him.
Are you saying that the USA was once Islamic, or are you willing to accept a return to what some would call our Judeo/Christian roots through a national revival?
Are you saying that the USA was once Islamic, or are you willing to accept a return to what some would call our Judeo/Christian roots through a national revival?
I would say that we all, as a nation, have lost the importance of worshipping God(swt). As individuals we all need to worship Him(swt) to the best of our ability and knowledge. Myself and all Muslims as Muslims and all non-Muslims in accordance with their belief. Once we all recognise the need to worship God(swt) we can disagree peacefully and as individuals as how to worship.
That almost sounds like you're saying that so long as there is atheism there will be or should be violent disagreement. Am I reading this incorrectly?
If the Nation were predominatly athiestic, the asking of God's(swt) guidence would be a non-existant point and there would be no sense for those of us who believe in God(swt) to even consider staying in the country.
However, the country is or at least claims to be predominatly theistic. Those of us who claim to have faith in God(swt) need to act as if we do. Part of the responsiblity that goes with that is to be able to disagree peacefuly without violence and without threat of imposing our beliefs forcebly upon others.
I have been curious for a long time as to why athiests object so strongly to the word "God". I mean, if you don't believe in something that someone else does, why not just dismiss their words as foolishness? Why waste the energy on rooting out the word? Why not just ignore it?
Ignore it? Should we ignore going to war because some guy say's it's god's will! do we ignore the teaching of intelligent design as scientific! perhaps we should ignore rules imposed (or would want to be imposed) as god's will when it is some sky-god belief.
It does not actually harm anything to let people say this. Just respond with, "OK, whatever." Or ignore them altogether.
OK, your right. Let's throw all the homosexuals off the top of the highest point and stone to death all adulteres as god's will. let's just ignore that and say "OK, whatever"
I just don't understand the amount of energy that goes into something that doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter, some people think the truth does matter.
Some athiests oppose it almost as strongly as a religious zealot.
If you don't believe in God, then it is not as if you are being offended based on your religion. No disrespect intended to athiests. It just is hard to understand.
And who exactly are these people who think that they speak for God, what right do they have to tell me it's OK to throw a homosexual off the highest point because god will's it. Who is anyone to say someone is my enemy!!!!!!!!
Ignore it? Should we ignore going to war because some guy say's it's god's will! do we ignore the teaching of intelligent design as scientific! perhaps we should ignore rules imposed (or would want to be imposed) as god's will when it is some sky-god belief.
No need to get excited just asking some questions. No, I think some extremely good reasons should be presented before going to war. Not some guy's opinion that he thinks its God's will.
As far as the intelligent design point, I think if it is purely scientific, then scientific design would not have been ruled out, along with other theories, based on lack of undeniable proof for any theory.
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OK, your right. Let's throw all the homosexuals off the top of the highest point and stone to death all adulteres as god's will. let's just ignore that and say "OK, whatever"
They are not doing this in america are they? Things have really changed since I was there last if they are. But seriously, I say "ignore them" in the same way that I mean "live and let live". Including homosexuals, transsexuals, athiests, Paris Hilton, and yes, even religious fanatics. Providing they are not harming others (OK, that excludes Paris Hilton).
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Doesn't matter, some people think the truth does matter.
I agree, it does. But I just mean it as a 'pick your battles' statement. Use the energy for when that religious person that is annoying you is actually affecting you, like in ways you mentioned earlier.
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And who exactly are these people who think that they speak for God, what right do they have to tell me it's OK to throw a homosexual off the highest point because god will's it. Who is anyone to say someone is my enemy!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure where this came from, but if someone did tell you that, then I would side with you, I don't think God wants us throwing anybody anywhere.
Who is anyone to say someone is my enemy!!!!!!!!
I don't know, but I'm not your enemy. I'm just a guy on the internet asking some questions.
speaking of "God bless America and nowhere else" annoys be, well the nowhere else this is almost off topic but what about the other country's in the world
I would absolutely laugh my butt off if I ever heard one of those flag waving conservative americans say "God Bless Iran"
As one of those "flag waving conservative Americans", I do hope God blesses Iran and everyone in the world. I'm not sure what your point is exactly. I suppose I will continue to wave the flag....
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
I believe that every nation on earth is in need of Allah's(swt) Blessing. There is no way that we will ever be able to undo the mess we are in unless we all accept His(swt) blessings of knowledge and guidance.
I believe that every nation on earth is in need of Allah's(swt) Blessing. There is no way that we will ever be able to undo the mess we are in unless we all accept His(swt) blessings of knowledge and guidance.
I agree with Keltoi and Woodrow.
Look at Deuteronomy 28 to see how Moses described the blessings and curses associated with obedience/disobedience to God's laws. We need evaluate our nations based on the blessings/curses and ourselves individually to make sure our behavior is in accordance with God's requirements.
As one of those "flag waving conservative Americans", I do hope God blesses Iran and everyone in the world. I'm not sure what your point is exactly. I suppose I will continue to wave the flag....
Hyper-patriotism is second only to hyper-religionism in making my skin crawl.
Do you find it offensive when people say "God Bless America"?
It strikes me as overly nationalistic and divisive and not very "good". If people were truly good, I'd figure they should be saying "God Bless us, every one". Do people really think that God (whichever they believe in) cares to push their country over others? Its like those silly people who thank god for winning a baseball game, etc.
Can you think of any country that is more in need of being blessed by Allah(swt).
Keep in mind the word bless has several meanings. to Americans to say "God Bless America" is asking God to help or correct America.
bless (bls)
tr.v. blessed or blest (blst), bless·ing, bless·es 1. To make holy by religious rite; sanctify.
2. To make the sign of the cross over so as to sanctify.
3. To invoke divine favor upon.
4. To honor as holy; glorify: Bless the Lord. 5. To confer well-being or prosperity on. 6. To endow, as with talent.
Idiom:
bless you
Used to wish good health to a person who has just sneezed.
America is in much need to be made holy and we do need to be endowed with the talent to do good and to achieve well being.
we are a very sick country and it is only the Blessings of Allah(swt) that are strong enough to heal us.
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