These two questions were really bugging me as my atheist friends love to make jokes out of Christianity and I wanted to know what they're saying is true or not.
1.) Do you believe that the world is 6000 years old?
2.) Do you believe Noah carried dinosaurs in is ark?
Thanks.
Note: This thread is not intended for debate. I provided questions and I want answers. No debating.
^I don't think Jews believe that there were dinosaurs on Noah's ark, do they?
I was referring to the Christian sects who believe that.
I don't believe so. They might have never existed! They may have, and the carbon dating system which is all based on the assumption there is no such thing as G-d creating the earth could have the dating all wrong! There are kabbalistic answers for this as well Tractate Sanhedrin 97a, which was redacted approximately 1,500 years ago states, "The world will exist for six thousand years and in the seven-thousandth year, it will be destroyed." An important Kabbalistic work, the Sefer HaTemunah, written in the first century, writes that there were 6 cycles of 7,000 years each which preceded our present cycle of creation. This would explain the finding of ancient fossils of the dinosaurs! Who knows!
It is very deep stuff, and Judaism does not teach every truth because we are not meant to know everything about Hashems plan.
Speaking of why Hashem might have done something is tough stuff to deal with when everyone in the world needs an answer. We have many theories, but no truth.
It is like me asking a 2 year old to answer a college math equation. Now compare a humans brain to G-d's infinite wisdom!
I don't believe so. They might have never existed! They may have, and the carbon dating system which is all based on the assumption there is no such thing as G-d creating the earth could have the dating all wrong!
Not really... the assumption isn't whether God created the universe or not, the assumption is that it was not created directly as it is no in it's mature form, rather it started out as *something* and became what it is not over billions of years. A pretty fair assumption.
There are kabbalistic answers for this as well Tractate Sanhedrin 97a, which was redacted approximately 1,500 years ago states, "The world will exist for six thousand years and in the seven-thousandth year, it will be destroyed." An important Kabbalistic work, the Sefer HaTemunah, written in the first century, writes that there were 6 cycles of 7,000 years each which preceded our present cycle of creation. This would explain the finding of ancient fossils of the dinosaurs! Who knows!
Watch out for the Questions for Jews thread, I would like to ask something relating to this in there...
It is very deep stuff, and Judaism does not teach every truth because we are not meant to know everything about Hashems plan.
Speaking of why Hashem might have done something is tough stuff to deal with when everyone in the world needs an answer. We have many theories, but no truth.
It is like me asking a 2 year old to answer a college math equation. Now compare a humans brain to G-d's infinite wisdom!
Not really... the assumption isn't whether God created the universe or not, the assumption is that it was not created directly as it is no in it's mature form, rather it started out as *something* and became what it is not over billions of years. A pretty fair assumption.
A scientist that does not believe in G-d has no reason to assume that the age of the world is different than what it appears to be. The one who believes in G-d, however, can perfectly accept the fact that the world was created in a mature state, since Adam was created in a mature state.
^Muslims have no reason to believe the world was created in a mature state, and also have no problem with the scientific study of the age of the earth.
I think the questions you've asked are directed at a specific group of Christians, not all of them. They seem to be designed to bait certain fundamentalist groups of Christians (such as Young Earth Creationists), and I don't think they are representative of the beliefs of mainstream Christianity.
Some Christians do apparently believe the world is 6000 years old. This belief seems to have started with this guy.
As for dinosaurs on the ark, I have no idea. Some Christians believe that dinosaurs are actually dragons:
Hope that's of interest.
Peace
Are certain are these Christians that the dragons were meant to be dinosaurs? Are they retrofitting?
as you may have noticed the teachings on this differ among various Christian denominations. Christianity can not be placed into any single set of beliefs. All Christians have some things in common, but in many area they differ widely.
And not just from denomination to denomination, but from congregation to congregation, and often even among individual members of one congregation, especially on a topic such as this.
format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah
lol, this is hilarious. Dinosaurs became extinct about 65 million years ago, what were they doing on Noahs ark if Noah lived with in 6000 years ago?
They can't answer yes to both question 1 and 2, if they believe the world is 6000 years old, then the only thing they can possible believe is that dinosaurs never existed and only their fossils did.
But what about the fossils of humans that date back ~200 thousand years? Do they also believe they were never really alive, and just skeletons that God put their?
Yes, some of it is hilarious. I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong. But Philosopher wanted to know what Christians believe. On this topic, some of the things that some Christians believe (emphasis on some, not all) are even contradictory. One never said that all Christians used logic in all aspects of their faith. Some just want to believe what they want to believe and make the facts fit their beliefs, even if it takes a hammer to do so. Thus, some do answer yes to both question #1 and question #2, even if you think they can't.
As to the dating that you asked of, some Christians just dismiss the dating as inaccurate. And yes, some do believe that the fossils are simply created as is from animals that never ever existed. Some also believe that the light from distant stars was created in transit from those stars so that that light which comes from stars that is more than 6000 was created by God in space, not on the surface of the star. It may sound an incredible tale, but Philosopher was not asking for my critique of these various views.
Last edited by Grace Seeker; 02-25-2007 at 03:52 PM.
1.we dont believe that the world is 2 thousand years old.
2.we believe that Noah peace upon him made the ark in command of.
format_quote Originally Posted by Philosopher
Hello,
These two questions were really bugging me as my atheist friends love to make jokes out of Christianity and I wanted to know what they're saying is true or not.
1.) Do you believe that the world is 6000 years old?
2.) Do you believe Noah carried dinosaurs in is ark?
Thanks.
Note: This thread is not intended for debate. I provided questions and I want answers. No debating.
it just popped up in my mind...
I think it might be difficult to put pairs of all animals on ark...but try to add there pair of brachiosaurus . I bet it was crowdy
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
it just popped up in my mind...
I think it might be difficult to put pairs of all animals on ark...but try to add there pair of brachiosaurus . I bet it was crowdy
Well, another common belief among those who hold to what is called the "new earth" model is that it doesn't take eons for mutations to produce new species
some of them believe in a sort of evolution where Noah would have taken one pair of horses from which all subsequent types of horses, donkey, zebra, etc then developed rather quickly. But they would reject the idea that horses, cows, elephants, and camels all evolved from a common ancestor, so there would have had to have been each of these on board.
On another board, I was referred to this slide presentation Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study when I asked some of these same type of questions.
Last edited by Grace Seeker; 02-25-2007 at 06:09 PM.
I was under the impression that a lot of Christians didn't believe dinosaurs existed at all. Perhaps I'd been misled on that.
Well, I've never done a poll. So speaking only from my own limited range of knowledge to that point, all of it being anectodal, I think that nearly all Christians accept that there were once dinosaurs. But if I run in different circles than you do, you could get the entirely opposite result.
Well, I've never done a poll. So speaking only from my own limited range of knowledge to that point, all of it being anectodal, I think that nearly all Christians accept that there were once dinosaurs. But if I run in different circles than you do, you could get the entirely opposite result.
I must be running in square circles, then. XP Very few Christians I've met believe that dinosaurs walked the Earth. They say Allah put the remains there, science is wrong, or whatever else. Take note, I live in a city where the church to human ratio is 5:1. Somewhere around that number. XD
I must be running in square circles, then. XP Very few Christians I've met believe that dinosaurs walked the Earth. They say Allah put the remains there, science is wrong, or whatever else. Take note, I live in a city where the church to human ratio is 5:1. Somewhere around that number. XD
I find that to be the belief of many of the Various Baptist denominations and most of the Fundamentalistic denominations.
However, all of the Catholic, Orthodox and Anglican Denominations acknowledge dinosaurs.
I believe that dinosaurs existed, but:
1) at least 6000 years, but probably much much older; we have good, easily datable anthropological data of 30, 40, 50 thousand years (I mean beyond physical biology, geology, astronomy, etc.)
2) no
I do believe in dragons, though, which makes me weird I guess. I don't think they were on the ark.
This whole thread is very strange to me, actually. I was a Christian most of my life, spent all of my time with Christians from various denominations and still do. Not once have I met one that didn't believe in dinosaurs.
I'm completely surprised to hear there are some that truly don't believe they existed.
Very enlightening to say the least.
wasalam,
Hana
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