Which religion is closest to Islam?

format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

A little history on what happened before things got out of hand!

All I said was that the early Christians were not gnostics. Actually, I think your post supports that thesis. The early Christians were all Jews and Jews also were never gnostics.

So, to get back to the topic of the thread, if in Abwan's view it is the gnostic Christians who are closest to Islam, then it would be some of the later Christians (of the 2nd and 3rd century), not the earliest Christians (of the 1st century) that he wants to reference. And if what he meant was that it was those Christians that were the earliest (and then closest to the time of Christ) that would be the closest to Islam, then all I was saying is that they are not gnostic. Indeed, other than their views regarding Jesus, they would hardly be discernable from any other Jewish assembly for the first decade or so.

format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian

Actually for us, the early christians were Muslims....

Yes, by your understanding. But it didn't take long before they were corrupt.

If we are to believe Peter's sermon in the book of Acts, it was nearly immediate. Already within weeks of the "supposed" cruciFICTION, Peter is telling the story as if it were fact. And not only that, but Peter is encouraging other Jews to go so far as to worship Jesus, and the other disciples are all going along with it. In fact, at this time, Paul would be the only one who was even close to practicing Islam, as he wanted to have those Jesus worshipping Christians arrested for blasphemy.

I think, if the Christians were to adhere to their Bible in the way we adhere to the Holy Qur'an, there would be many many similarities, more than any other religion. A friend of mine once told me if a devoted Christian were to read his Bible in Hebrew and Aramaic (the Old Testament and Psalms) and then the New Testament in Greek, he would likely see how the Truth of Christianity only points towards the Final Message which is Islam

Actually for us, the early christians were Muslims.

I have heard this many times. What historical evidence is there from the first century is there to support this claim?

format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian

Actually for us, the early christians were Muslims....

Maybe Christians think Muslims are really Christians in denial.

i think christinanity becuz they have almost same stuff as islam




Wa Salaam

sorry if i spelled chrisitinanity wrong

nvm i spelled it corectly sorry again for disturbing this thread once again

Adam and Eve were Muslims, Abraham was a Muslim, Jesus is a Muslim.....

Without historical evidence to support such claims, all I see is statements based on wishful thinking. I could just as well say, without having to provide any evidence, that Adam and Eve came from Mars, that Abraham was a Martian as well as Jesus.

brothers and sisters

Hello Sinner,

All the Prophets, from Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them all, were upright Muslims for many reasons.

First and foremost they worshipped and submitted themselves fully to Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala and no one else. Secondly, they taught the people they were sent to worship no one except Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, and many of them (the Messengers, peace be upon them) taught the revelations of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala as they were revealed by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala (for example: Musa alaihis salam, taught the Tawrat, Dawud alaihis salam, taught the Zabur, Isa alaihis salam taught the Injil, and finally, Muhammad salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam taught the Qur'an, which is the final and eternal Word of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala).

Many of these Prophets, peace be upon them, performed beautiful miracles, but only by the Divine Will of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, and all of the Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon them all, were outstanding people, unshakable in Iman, and fearful of nothing and no one except Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala as Allah Subhanahu wa Wa'ala is to be feared.

I hope this helps, but insha Allah I do recommend you do more study about the Deen of Islam, and, insha Allah, it will all make sense to you soon enough. :sunny:

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala guide us all and keep us on His path, the Only Path, Ameen.

format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian

The term "Muslim" is applicable to all from Adam & Eve's time till today. Even Non Muslims were Muslims before they're born.

This is a statement of Islamic faith. It may be true (I'm sure you think it is); it may not be true (I know many who would not think it true of them). But neither position can be tested to be verified.

What Sinner is asking is, apart from a statement of faith, what evidence (again that is not faith based) is there to show that the early Christians were Muslim.

When in another thread I said that I was a follower of Islam because I submit to Allah, others said that I was not because of certain evidences that they want to see that they assumed they would not see in me. So, you have the testimony of the Qu'ran and/or the hadiths regarding these beliefs that Adam, that Abraham, that the early Christians were all followers of Islam, because by your belief system they had to have been. But beyond the Qu'ran and the hadiths, beyond your belief system, what evidences do you see by which one would make that judgment?

Put it another way, any non-Muslim that understands the basic teachings of Islam can see in a true follower of Islam evidences in their very behaviors that would convict them of being a Muslim if it were against the law. What evidence would a non-Muslim prosecuter be able to find to present to a non-Muslim jury to convict Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and the early Christians of being followers of Islam?