I have always wondered why some people may not believe in God when there is so much around you that proves that there has to be.
So for those who claim to be a Athiest, i was wondering if you would share your belief to why you have chosen to believe so. & also say why you may have left a certian religion (if u did)?
(_( hope this thread is in the right topic area..and hope no 1 is offeneded )_)
I am not an Atheist, but and Agnostic - I know they're fairly different in meaning, but I thought I would share my view anyway.
I do not believe that absolutely there is no God or supreme being, I believe that it is impossible to know in full certainty that one actually exists or has existed.
I do not completely rule it out, but sometimes find it thoroughly hard to conceive. The likelyhood is that I (and most of us on this earth in my opinion) will never know with absolute certainty, so therefore I will probably remain an Agnostic for the rest of my life.
I sometimes look at the world and think to myself "How could all this be here by chance, how could it not have been created by a higher power or being???", but then I wonder why people, all over the world, worship so many different gods - who is right?
Are you, a Muslim, right because you are part of the supposedly fastest growing religion of our time? Is the Hindu the one who is right, with his polytheistic beliefs? Who is to say the Jew is incorrect? Is the Scientologist really all that wrong, a suposedly far-fetched set of beliefs, but can we really dismiss their ideas as being wrong??
Of course there are so many many more followers of so many more religions, and some of those worshipers and followers have never heard of Islam or Christianity or Buddhism, and maybe they never will. They will continue with their own beliefs blissfully unaware of others.
So. Who is right? Are you right because your parents and community taught you your beliefs, or are you right because you know beyond any boundries of doubt, that the figure of worship is present in some form or some shape, somewhere, and is all-seeing-all-knowing??? Or... are you right because you are scared to be wrong??
"I believe that God exists" does not necessarily mean "I know for certain God exists".
I am Agnostic (or "Not Sure" in simpler terms!) because sometimes I see no reason to believe in a God, and other times I have no way of proving, or disproving it.
I suppose the answer for me is that i have no faith in god,although i live in a secular country i have been surrounded by christianity my whole life,i have read and studied the bible and i have never seen or felt anything that has given me cause to have faith in god.Ive said before i believe organised religion is a way of controlling people,and for hundreds of years(not so much now,but its still relevant in some ways)its been used to keep people ignorant and under the heel of the "Elite" ruling classes.It can also be twisted and perverted to justify the most atrocious acts,some of the most base and inhuman acts in history have been perpetrated in the name of religion,even in the last few years Bush and Blair have both stated that they believe god has guided them in thier actions.
To me the teachings of Jesus are pretty clear,and if one follows these teachings(or at least try to)i believe you will lead a good and fruitfull life,that is enough for me,i dont think you need to be religious to appreciate the message,i see no reason why a belief in a god or acts of worship should be required for me to live a full and happy life.I dont believe in an afterlife so any fear factor that may result from not having faith or following any religious teachings does not effect me.
I suppose the answer for me is that i have no faith in god,although i live in a secular country i have been surrounded by christianity my whole life,i have read and studied the bible and i have never seen or felt anything that has given me cause to have faith in god.Ive said before i believe organised religion is a way of controlling people,and for hundreds of years(not so much now,but its still relevant in some ways)its been used to keep people ignorant and under the heel of the "Elite" ruling classes.It can also be twisted and perverted to justify the most atrocious acts,some of the most base and inhuman acts in history have been perpetrated in the name of religion,even in the last few years Bush and Blair have both stated that they believe god has guided them in thier actions.
To me the teachings of Jesus are pretty clear,and if one follows these teachings(or at least try to)i believe you will lead a good and fruitfull life,that is enough for me,i dont think you need to be religious to appreciate the message,i see no reason why a belief in a god or acts of worship should be required for me to live a full and happy life.I dont believe in an afterlife so any fear factor that may result from not having faith or following any religious teachings does not effect me.
Ditto.
PS. I agree - the teachings of a lot of religions provide a good template for living, but as far as the belief in a "God", well, I'm certainly not convinced, as I have explained above.
There is no definitive proof to say there is a God. There's evidence, but no proof as yet. Just like somebody can read the evidence and conclude there is a God, others can read the same evidence and conclude there isn't a God.
There is no definitive proof to say there is a God. There's evidence, but no proof as yet. Just like somebody can read the evidence and conclude there is a God, others can read the same evidence and conclude there isn't a God.
No, because i was speaking generally. I didn't say i wasn't sure of the existance of God, rather that i can understand why somebody wouldn't accept His existance.
There is no definitive proof to say there is a God. There's evidence, but no proof as yet. Just like somebody can read the evidence and conclude there is a God, others can read the same evidence and conclude there isn't a God.
sister to me there is definate proof...you get proof from answering these questions...
how was humans created if there is no god?
how was animals created if there is no god?
how was the earth & other planets created if there is no god?
how was plants, rivers and many more created if their is no god?
everything above and many more i have not mentioned cannot be created by the wisest human on earth! no chemicals can create it! the latest technique cannot create anything near to it...so to me this is evident enough that god does exist...
sister to me there is definate proof...you get proof from anwering these questions...
how was humans created if there is no god?
how was animals created if there is no god?
how was the earth & other planets created if there is no god?
how was plants, rivers and many more created if their is no god?
everything above and many more i have not mentioned cannot be created by the wisest human on earth! no chemicals can create it! the latest technique cannot create anything near to it...so to me this is evident enough that god does exist...
Having been an athiest before I found Christ I have some understanding of why many people are athiests. Some people pride themselves on thinking rationally and logically. Spirituality is considered a superstition by many athiests. It isn't that they have "hatred" for religion, for the most part, but they simply can't make that leap of faith that is required.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Believers in a religion have something in common with atheists.
An atheist does not believe in christianity neither does a muslim.
An atheist does not believe in islam neither does a christian.
Isn't it a paradox that poeple believing in God do not believe in the God of the opposite religion?
Believers in a religion have something in common with atheists.
An atheist does not believe in christianity neither does a muslim.
An atheist does not believe in islam neither does a christian.
Isn't it a paradox that poeple believing in God do not believe in the God of the opposite religion?
I would like to think all three religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam believe in the same God.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Everybody who believes in God believes in the same God as there is only one God. They may be differing in the traits they attribute to Him but in essence, there is only one God.
Can i ask a question please, what are Athiest/Agnostic views on the creation of the universe?
Thanks in advance
P.S I hope you don't mind sis Deen_2007 for asking my question on your thread
When I was an athiest I believed in the scientific theories put forth, or the most widely accepted, which is the "Big Bang" theory. The matter out of nothing situation.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Believing in God and believing the Big Bang theory are not mutually exclusive though. I'm not suggesting that you're saying otherwise, Keltoi, I'm just clarifying for others.
Believing in God and believing the Big Bang theory are not mutually exclusive though. I'm not suggesting that you're saying otherwise, Keltoi, I'm just clarifying for others.
I agree. Science and religion aren't mutually exclusive. The natural process of the Earth and the universe are God's creations. The process by which this creation occurred could easily be described by science as a "Big Bang".
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
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