From what I understand the hate between Jews and Muslims are very odd. Jews were not gased by any Muslims, yet by Hitler who professed Christian beliefs (although in no way to I even compare Christianity to him), and Muslims and Jews always worked together when facing the common enemy of Crusaders and Christian invaders. Zionism may very well have destroyed that relationship. The reason theologically I support the state of Israel today is that although the state should never have beeen created because even a Jewish majority in the state of Israel is pushing it, I must support it according to Torah law.
As long as I am under the impression that if the land of Israel is put under Arab control thousands of Jews will die, I cannot support a return to complete exile, because the Torah teaches a Jewish life can only not break the law to survive in the case of murder, idolatry and rape.
So if Israel dismantles tommorow, am I right to believe that "vigilante" justice would occur, and many Jews who were born in Israel and did not take any land would be killed?
Am I correct to believe Jews would be killed in riots?
I realize that Zionism has made the Arab people bloodthristy against the Jewish people, and although this is G-d's will, he also gives people free choice. Do you believe Jews would be safe under Palestinain control in the Holy Land?
That is the main reason I support Israel, because I have to to support the saving of Jewish life.
Studying Torah outweighs interfaith dialogue, so I will not be on except once and a while to answer Questions in the Judaism Q/A thread: HERE.
The fear of the L-rd is a spring of life, to turn away from the snares of death. (Mishlei 14:27)
Although some scholars believed that G-d has set aside a specific date for the coming of the moshiach, most authority suggests that the conduct of mankind will determine the time of the moshiach's coming. In general, it is believed that the moshiach will come in a time when he is most needed (because the world is so sinful), or in a time when he is most deserved (because the world is so good). For example, each of the following has been suggested as the time when the moshiach will come:
if Israel repented a single day;
if Israel observed a single Shabbat properly;
if Israel observed two Shabbats in a row properly;
in a generation that is totally innocent or totally guilty;
in a generation that loses hope;
in a generation where children are totally disrespectful towards their parents and elders;
What Will the Moshiach Do?
Before the time of the moshiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16) The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).
The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come. This term can cause some confusion, because it is also used to refer to a spiritual afterlife. In English, we commonly use the term "messianic age" to refer specifically to the time of the messiah.
Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people. (Isaiah 2:4) Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9). Others, however, say that these statements are merely an allegory for peace and prosperity.
All of the Jewish people will return from their exile among the nations to their home in Israel (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). The law of the Jubilee will be reinstated.
In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.
-Judaism 101: Moshiach
Interesting thought, however do you believe all Jews will believe and follow the moshiac?
I don't mean offense but what I gather from the OT (not the torah but part of it) that some Jews where rebelious and acted against does sent by God.
handing israel over to the palestinians wouldn't only be devestating for the jews, but for the arabs as well. you should see how much the israelis harass the palestinians..
Do you realize how many Jews were subject to Arab riots before the creation of the state of Israel? I think you should look at things a bit more fair.
Im sure the Un could help out and other countries could send peace-keeping forces. But lets face the facts. It is not going to happen. The Jews of Israel have been too brainwashed to accept such a solution.
Im sure the Un could help out and other countries could send peace-keeping forces. But lets face the facts. It is not going to happen. The Jews of Israel have been too brainwashed to accept such a solution.
And the Muslims of Palestine and Iran and Syria have been to brainwashed as well as to care about peace keepers getting in the way.
You will find that in Islam as well, Muslims lives are favored over the unbelievers.
Is that why the Muslims would risk their own lives in battle in order to protect the non-Muslims under their care, who do not have to fight at all to defend themselves?
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